Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Blayne Puklich]

After experimenting a while with another laptop I had, here’s what I 
figured out.


Near as I can tell, through the migrations I’ve done from laptop to 
laptop and OS to OS over the years, some sort of corruption was 
introduced. I didn’t nail down if it was at the OS level or within an 
individual user account.


I do know that a fresh install of El Capitan or Sierra, with a brand new 
user account that is logged in to iCloud (simply to grab all the 
accounts and Contacts and such), a fresh install of MailMate and 
BusyContacts all will work together wonderfully. All that is needed is a 
switch to MailMate as the default email client, and turning on Spotlight 
indexing in the MailMate prefs.


So, the MailMate/BusyContacts integration still works. If anyone is 
finding theirs does not, and you’ve done a few Apple migrations from 
laptop to laptop, chances are you’ve got some of the same corruption I 
had.


What I did was just rebuild this laptop with what I currently need. 
It’s good practice anyways to do that occasionally because you’ll 
find that half the crap you have is not necessary!


All of the rogue Application choices in the email and web browser client 
popups come from old “Applications (Parallels)” folders that are 
left on the drive. Removing those and rebuilding the launch services 
database makes them go away.


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On 28 Apr 2017, at 7:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a bit 
of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and MailMate 
integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t show email 
activity.


Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled and 
left as the home directory.


For the record, enabling indexing should be sufficient for this to 
work. (And I just tried and it appears to work for me with 
BusyContacts.)


Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, email 
address, etc.


MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.


iCloud should not play a part in this.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? 
Thanks much in advance!


Maybe the problem with the many options in the email client popup is 
somehow related (although I don't know how). You might want to try 
resetting [launch 
services](https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/rebuild-launchservices-fix-duplicate-entries-os-xs-open-menu/).


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Cevc, Baltasar]

It does not work 100 %, but reliably to the extent implemented.
If you haven’t done so, have a look at the settings regarding BusyContacts 
described here: 
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#third-party-applications

In any case, switching the address book gave a boost in productivity, switching 
to mailmate gave a huge leap forward. It is just so powerful once you learn the 
small tweaks.

Cheers,
Baltasar

On 26 Apr 2017, at 16:52, Blayne Puklich wrote:

> Ha! Got it working on my MacBook Air running MacOS 10.11.6 and the same 
> versions of MailMate and BusyContacts that you’ve got, Paul. Rock!
>
> Now I need to figure out why it doesn’t work on the MacBook Pro with the same 
> software versions… I’ll post back what I figure out in case it might help 
> someone else.
>
> On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:05, Paul Flicek wrote:
>
>> I have MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.6 on macOS 10.12.1.
>>
>> I've used BusyContacts since it was in beta and have a full license.  I 
>> switched from Apple Mail to MailMate after I started using BC.  It worked 
>> the same on both sides of the mail transition.
>>
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2017, at 14:59, Blayne Puklich wrote:
>>
>>> It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? I’m using 
>>> MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 10.11.6. 
>>> BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and how this 
>>> would work.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN   PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
>>> * mailto:blayne at puklich.com
>>>  I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
>>>
>>> On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:
>>>
 It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts immediately 
 as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing anything special to 
 make this work other than enabling indexing.

 I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

 Paul

 On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich , wrote:
>
> Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working; BusyContacts 
> seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At least it’s good 
> enough integration for me.
>
>
> What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email activity 
> instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts. That’s the piece I 
> can’t seem to get working, and I’m wondering if anyone else has it 
> working well.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
> * mailto:blayne at puklich.com
> I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of the 
>> integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where that is. I 
>> wanted to use BContacts as an external address book for MM since it does 
>> not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my real address book), but 
>> that failed. Basically, only AContacts are properly integrated.
>>
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a bit of 
>>> Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and MailMate 
>>> integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t show email activity.
>>>
>>> Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled and 
>>> left as the home directory.
>>>
>>> Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, email 
>>> address, etc.
>>>
>>> MailMate is the default mailer.
>>>
>>> .eml files open with MailMate.
>>>
>>> I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.
>>>
>>> Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? Thanks 
>>> much in advance!
>>>
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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a bit 
of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and MailMate 
integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t show email 
activity.


Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled and 
left as the home directory.


For the record, enabling indexing should be sufficient for this to work. 
(And I just tried and it appears to work for me with BusyContacts.)


Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, email 
address, etc.


MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.


iCloud should not play a part in this.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? 
Thanks much in advance!


Maybe the problem with the many options in the email client popup is 
somehow related (although I don't know how). You might want to try 
resetting [launch 
services](https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/rebuild-launchservices-fix-duplicate-entries-os-xs-open-menu/).


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Blayne Puklich]

So Zak, let me ask you a question.

I noticed something quite peculiar when checking the default mail client 
from within Apple Mail on the MacBook Pro that doesn’t work. The list 
of choices is HUGE, includes repeated application names and includes 
applications other than actual mail clients. Same in MailMate, the list 
is HUGE.


In System Preferences > General, checking the Default web browser shows 
another HUGE list of choices, many repeated application names and a lot 
of apps that aren’t browsers.


The MacBook Air shows the expected behavior for both, a nice short list 
of mail clients and a nice short list of web browsers. Also, the MacBook 
Air never had the “El Capitan default mail client change not 
sticking” problem when I installed MailMate and chose it as the 
default mail client.


Can you check your Mac to see if you’re seeing the same thing? And did 
you have trouble choosing the default mail client?


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On 26 Apr 2017, at 11:19, Zak McClellan wrote:


+1 on this issue

Can’t recall when things stopped working on the BusyContacts 
activity feed.
I have no record, but I think it was when I made BC my ‘system 
default’ contact manager.  Or at least the manager used in Alfred.  
Maybe MailMate as default email?


For me there is a definitive cutoff date for email in the activity 
feed.


-Zak

MacBookPro 11,4 Core i7, 2.8GHz (16GB RAM)
Mid 2015 15-inch Retina
OS X 10.12.3 (16D32)

MailMate 1.9.6 (5347)
Alfred 3.3.1 [806]
BusyContacts 1.1.7


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Subject: Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration
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Ha! Got it working on my MacBook Air running MacOS 10.11.6 and the 
same

versions of MailMate and BusyContacts that you’ve got, Paul. Rock!

Now I need to figure out why it doesn’t work on the MacBook Pro 
with
the same software versions… I’ll post back what I figure out in 
case

it might help someone else.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:05, Paul Flicek wrote:

I have MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.6 on macOS 
10.12.1.


I've used BusyContacts since it was in beta and have a full license.
I switched from Apple Mail to MailMate after I started using BC.  It
worked the same on both sides of the mail transition.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 14:59, Blayne Puklich wrote:

It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? 
I’m
using MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 
10.11.6.
BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and 
how

this would work.

Thanks!

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0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:


It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts
immediately as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing
anything special to make this work other than enabling indexing.

I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich <bla...@puklich.com>,
wrote:


Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working;
BusyContacts seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At
least it’s good enough integration for me.


What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email
activity instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts.
That’s the piece I can’t seem to get working, and I’m
wondering if anyone else has it working well.


Thanks!


Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:








If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of
the integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where
that is. I wanted to use BContacts as an external address book 
for
MM since it does not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my 
real

address book), but that failed. Basically, only AContacts are
properly integrated.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:



Hi!

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite 
a

bit of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and
MailMate integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t
show email activity.

Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled
and left as the home directory.

Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name,
email address, etc.

MailMate is the default m

Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Zak McClellan]

+1 on this issue

Can’t recall when things stopped working on the BusyContacts activity 
feed.
I have no record, but I think it was when I made BC my ‘system 
default’ contact manager.  Or at least the manager used in Alfred.  
Maybe MailMate as default email?


For me there is a definitive cutoff date for email in the activity feed.

-Zak

MacBookPro 11,4 Core i7, 2.8GHz (16GB RAM)
Mid 2015 15-inch Retina
OS X 10.12.3 (16D32)

MailMate 1.9.6 (5347)
Alfred 3.3.1 [806]
BusyContacts 1.1.7


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Subject: Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration
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Ha! Got it working on my MacBook Air running MacOS 10.11.6 and the 
same

versions of MailMate and BusyContacts that you’ve got, Paul. Rock!

Now I need to figure out why it doesn’t work on the MacBook Pro with
the same software versions… I’ll post back what I figure out in 
case

it might help someone else.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:05, Paul Flicek wrote:


I have MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.6 on macOS 10.12.1.

I've used BusyContacts since it was in beta and have a full license.
I switched from Apple Mail to MailMate after I started using BC.  It
worked the same on both sides of the mail transition.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 14:59, Blayne Puklich wrote:

It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? 
I’m
using MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 
10.11.6.
BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and 
how

this would work.

Thanks!

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0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:


It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts
immediately as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing
anything special to make this work other than enabling indexing.

I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich <bla...@puklich.com>,
wrote:


Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working;
BusyContacts seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At
least it’s good enough integration for me.


What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email
activity instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts.
That’s the piece I can’t seem to get working, and I’m
wondering if anyone else has it working well.


Thanks!


Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:








If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of
the integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where
that is. I wanted to use BContacts as an external address book 
for
MM since it does not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my 
real

address book), but that failed. Basically, only AContacts are
properly integrated.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:



Hi!

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite 
a

bit of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and
MailMate integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t
show email activity.

Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled
and left as the home directory.

Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name,
email address, etc.

MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try?
Thanks much in advance!

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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Blayne Puklich]

Ha! Got it working on my MacBook Air running MacOS 10.11.6 and the same 
versions of MailMate and BusyContacts that you’ve got, Paul. Rock!


Now I need to figure out why it doesn’t work on the MacBook Pro with 
the same software versions… I’ll post back what I figure out in case 
it might help someone else.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 9:05, Paul Flicek wrote:


I have MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.6 on macOS 10.12.1.

I've used BusyContacts since it was in beta and have a full license.  
I switched from Apple Mail to MailMate after I started using BC.  It 
worked the same on both sides of the mail transition.



On 26 Apr 2017, at 14:59, Blayne Puklich wrote:

It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? I’m 
using MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 10.11.6. 
BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and how 
this would work.


Thanks!

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* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:

It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts 
immediately as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing 
anything special to make this work other than enabling indexing.


I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich , 
wrote:


Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working; 
BusyContacts seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At 
least it’s good enough integration for me.



What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email 
activity instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts. 
That’s the piece I can’t seem to get working, and I’m 
wondering if anyone else has it working well.



Thanks!


Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:








If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of 
the integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where 
that is. I wanted to use BContacts as an external address book for 
MM since it does not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my real 
address book), but that failed. Basically, only AContacts are 
properly integrated.



On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:



Hi!

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a 
bit of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and 
MailMate integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t 
show email activity.


Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled 
and left as the home directory.


Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, 
email address, etc.


MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? 
Thanks much in advance!


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

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I have MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.6 on macOS 10.12.1.

I've used BusyContacts since it was in beta and have a full license.  I 
switched from Apple Mail to MailMate after I started using BC.  It 
worked the same on both sides of the mail transition.



On 26 Apr 2017, at 14:59, Blayne Puklich wrote:

It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? I’m 
using MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 10.11.6. 
BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and how 
this would work.


Thanks!

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* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
 I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.

On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:

It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts 
immediately as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing 
anything special to make this work other than enabling indexing.


I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich , 
wrote:


Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working; BusyContacts 
seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At least it’s 
good enough integration for me.



What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email 
activity instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts. 
That’s the piece I can’t seem to get working, and I’m 
wondering if anyone else has it working well.



Thanks!


Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
* mailto:blayne at puklich.com
I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.


On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:








If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of 
the integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where 
that is. I wanted to use BContacts as an external address book for 
MM since it does not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my real 
address book), but that failed. Basically, only AContacts are 
properly integrated.



On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:



Hi!

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a 
bit of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and 
MailMate integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t 
show email activity.


Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled 
and left as the home directory.


Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, 
email address, etc.


MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? 
Thanks much in advance!


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Blayne Puklich]

It sure does help, Paul! What versions of things are you using? I’m 
using MailMate 1.9.6 (5347) and BusyContacts 1.1.7 on Mac OS 10.11.6. 
BusyContacts is only a trial license right now just to see if and how 
this would work.


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On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:53, Paul Flicek wrote:

It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts 
immediately as they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing 
anything special to make this work other than enabling indexing.


I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich , 
wrote:


Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working; BusyContacts 
seems to be the address book that MailMate uses. At least it’s good 
enough integration for me.



What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email 
activity instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts. 
That’s the piece I can’t seem to get working, and I’m wondering 
if anyone else has it working well.



Thanks!


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On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:








If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of the 
integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where that 
is. I wanted to use BContacts as an external address book for MM 
since it does not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my real 
address book), but that failed. Basically, only AContacts are 
properly integrated.



On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:



Hi!

I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a 
bit of Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and 
MailMate integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t show 
email activity.


Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled and 
left as the home directory.


Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, 
email address, etc.


MailMate is the default mailer.

.eml files open with MailMate.

I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.

Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? 
Thanks much in advance!


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts and MailMate integration

[Paul Flicek]

It works perfectly for me. I see the messages in BusyContacts immediately as 
they arrive in MailMate. I don't remember doing anything special to make this 
work other than enabling indexing.

I realize this doesn't really help with troubleshooting.

Paul

On 26 Apr 2017, 14:46 +0100, Blayne Puklich , wrote:
>
> Ahh, thanks for that. That part I think I have working; BusyContacts seems to 
> be the address book that MailMate uses. At least it’s good enough integration 
> for me.
>
>
> What I’m trying to do though is get BusyContacts to show email activity 
> instead when I’m looking at a contact in BusyContacts. That’s the piece I 
> can’t seem to get working, and I’m wondering if anyone else has it working 
> well.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Blayne Puklich Minneapolis, MN PGP Key ID: 0xC52CA6C1
> * mailto:blayne at puklich.com
> I'd explain it to you, but your brain would explode.
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2017, at 8:04, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > If you read MM manual, it describes somewhere the shallowness of the 
> > integration with BusyContacts. Unfortunately, I forget where that is. I 
> > wanted to use BContacts as an external address book for MM since it does 
> > not have its own (using Apple Contacts as my real address book), but that 
> > failed. Basically, only AContacts are properly integrated.
> >
> >
> > On 26 Apr 2017, at 2:23, Blayne Puklich wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I’ve trudged through the mailing list archives and done quite a bit of 
> > > Googling to try and figure out why the BusyContacts and MailMate 
> > > integration doesn’t work. BusyContacts just won’t show email activity.
> > >
> > > Indexing is enabled in MailMate. The Custom Location is enabled and left 
> > > as the home directory.
> > >
> > > Spotlight finds emails just fine via multiple searches - name, email 
> > > address, etc.
> > >
> > > MailMate is the default mailer.
> > >
> > > .eml files open with MailMate.
> > >
> > > I even logged out of iCloud and back in, just for kicks.
> > >
> > > Is this working for anyone else? Any other things for me to try? Thanks 
> > > much in advance!
> > >
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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Cevc, Baltasar]

Actually, I don’t know when Apple’s crap address framework syncs, but in any 
case opening seems to trigger a sync (quite possibly besides other triggers); 
that helps me in any case. Still does not work 100 % but enough to have most 
addresses for mails at least.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Charlie Garrison]

I meant to delete this one, when I realised I was replying to wrong 
message. (Not sure how I messed up that one, oh well.)


On 6 Dec 2016, at 8:18, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 5 Dec 2016, at 20:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

I don't think Contacts needs to be launched for the Address Book 
framework (which is what MailMate uses to get the email addresses) to 
provide up to date information.


I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address 
book (used by Contacts, MailMate  other apps) continues to sync 
just fine. 


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Charlie Garrison]

On 5 Dec 2016, at 20:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

I don't think Contacts needs to be launched for the Address Book 
framework (which is what MailMate uses to get the email addresses) to 
provide up to date information.


I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address 
book (used by Contacts, MailMate & other apps) continues to sync just 
fine.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Charlie Garrison]

On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:21, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

Regarding lookup, I will then continue to open Apple Contacts for 
(“read-only”) sync from time to time.


I can’t recall the last time I opened Contacts, the system address 
book (used by Contacts, MailMate & other apps) continues to sync just 
fine, no need to open Contacts for syncing to happen.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:21, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

Regarding lookup, I will then continue to open Apple Contacts for 
(“read-only”) sync from time to time.


I don't think Contacts needs to be launched for the Address Book 
framework (which is what MailMate uses to get the email addresses) to 
provide up to date information.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Cevc, Baltasar]

Hi Benny,

> The setting only affects the menu items for adding/showing contacts (when 
> right-clicking addresses in the headers view). When doing lookups then 
> MailMate still uses the system address book framework, but this shouldn't be 
> a problem if both Contacts and BusyContacts synchronise with the same iCloud 
> account. If that's not an option for you then it won't work. Sorry.
Thank you much for clarification. The “adding” feature is also useful for me 
(seems to work just fine).

Regarding lookup, I will then continue to open Apple Contacts for (“read-only”) 
sync from time to time. My switch was due to Apple’s CarDAV implementation 
being severely broken. Up to now the “worst thing” when not using their contact 
application for editing was that a contact has not been synchronised. That’s 
something I can live with (other than having duplicates created non-stop, which 
happened when editing). I don’t use iCloud and will most certainly never do so 
in order not to be locked in by Apple — if I would buy a new computer, I would 
probably rather switch to Linux as Apple’s quality and reliability is getting 
worse and worse by month. I’ve spent three full days getting my mails out of 
Apples broken mail application (by moving them to an IMAP server by hand; 
migration to new version did not work), that was enough to teach me not to rely 
on that company’s products.

As a side note: I understand you want to keep MailMate code neat and clean, and 
therefore use one framework only, not two. That is something I deem positive. 
Rather do one thing correctly than half of two or three things.

Best,
Baltasar


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 30 Nov 2016, at 21:26, Charlie Garrison wrote:

I don’t about “should” do it that way, but certainly “could” 
do it that way. 


For me, I just use contact groups; business contacts in one group, 
personal in a second group. Of course some are in both groups, and I 
have a couple of extra groups for special use cases. 


I've done both - I ended up using the last version. Most 
practical/flexible for me but that's just me (and Charlie apparently :D 
).


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Charlie Garrison]

On 30 Nov 2016, at 22:49, Robert Brenstein wrote:

So, to rephrase it, if someone does not want to mix email-related 
contacts with regular contacts, one should designate Apple's Contacts 
as basically a private address book for MailMate and use BusyContacts 
or else for regular contacts. Right?


I don’t about “should” do it that way, but certainly “could” 
do it that way.


For me, I just use contact groups; business contacts in one group, 
personal in a second group. Of course some are in both groups, and I 
have a couple of extra groups for special use cases.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 30 Nov 2016, at 12:49, Robert Brenstein wrote:

So, to rephrase it, if someone does not want to mix email-related 
contacts with regular contacts, one should designate Apple's Contacts 
as basically a private address book for MailMate and use BusyContacts 
or else for regular contacts. Right?


You can use BC all the time and set it to use multiple services but MM 
will only see the iCloud/Contacts info.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Robert Brenstein]

On 30.11.2016 at 10:46 Uhr +0100 Benny Kjær Nielsen apparently wrote:


The setting only affects the menu items for 
adding/showing contacts (when right-clicking 
addresses in the headers view). When doing 
lookups then MailMate still uses the system 
address book framework, but this shouldn't be a 
problem if both Contacts and BusyContacts 
synchronize with the same iCloud account. If 
that's not an option for you then it won't work. 
Sorry.


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So, to rephrase it, if someone does not want to 
mix email-related contacts with regular contacts, 
one should designate Apple's Contacts as 
basically a private address book for MailMate and 
use BusyContacts or else for regular contacts. 
Right?


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 29 Nov 2016, at 19:51, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

thank you for the suggestion, I will try how it works and let you know 
after some time to really see whether it permanently my issue. My 
first try now was without success (that is, Mailmate does not find the 
contact/address of a person I’ve added to BusyContacts yesterday 
evening, however, if there is some cache or so it could be normal as 
I’ve just changed the described setting now, which is after adding 
the contact).


The setting only affects the menu items for adding/showing contacts 
(when right-clicking addresses in the headers view). When doing lookups 
then MailMate still uses the system address book framework, but this 
shouldn't be a problem if both Contacts and BusyContacts synchronize 
with the same iCloud account. If that's not an option for you then it 
won't work. Sorry.


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Cevc, Baltasar]

Hi Benny,
thank you for the suggestion, I will try how it works and let you know after 
some time to really see whether it permanently my issue. My first try now was 
without success (that is, Mailmate does not find the contact/address of a 
person I’ve added to BusyContacts yesterday evening, however, if there is some 
cache or so it could be normal as I’ve just changed the described setting now, 
which is after adding the contact).

Hi Jan,
well, I mean that the address lookup is done by that database (i.e. when you 
enter something in an address field, which database does Mailmate use for 
lookup).

Cheers,
Baltasar


> On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:59, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:
>> is anybody using BusyContacts and knows to to use its contact database for 
>> MailMate instead of the bug-prone standard Apple crap?
>> At the moment, I use BusyContacts (synced to a CardDAV server) for mostly 
>> everything and open Apple Contacts from time to time to sync the CardDAV 
>> information, as it is otherwise unusable in MailMate.

On 29 Nov 2016, at 17:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>
> It might help with the BusyContacts setting described here: 
> https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#third-party-applications
>



On 28 Nov 2016, at 18:30, Jan Erik Moström wrote:
> What do you mean with "to use"?


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:59, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

is anybody using BusyContacts and knows to to use its contact database 
for MailMate instead of the bug-prone standard Apple crap?
At the moment, I use BusyContacts (synced to a CardDAV server) for 
mostly everything and open Apple Contacts from time to time to sync 
the CardDAV information, as it is otherwise unusable in MailMate.


It might help with the BusyContacts setting described here: 
https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#third-party-applications


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Re: [MlMt] BusyContacts

[Jan Erik Moström]

On 28 Nov 2016, at 16:59, Cevc, Baltasar wrote:

is anybody using BusyContacts and knows to to use its contact database 
for MailMate instead of the bug-prone standard Apple crap?


What do you mean with "to use"?

(I use BC)

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