[MlMt] Setting a custom monospace font for code
Hi, I’ve successfully set custom fonts for HTML and text messages (in ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css) and enabled pygments syntax highlighting via the bundle. https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2029-different-font-support-for-plain-text-and-html-mails Is there a way to also set the monospace font separately? I’d like to use a font with ligatures like Fira Code. Best, Patrick ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with MailMate. I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings that I've found. One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for certain emails to render properly. Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. -Eric On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent look-and-feel with iPhone version. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” let you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such as making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re initially more comfortable with its visual metaphor. - Vendor is highly responsive and helpful. - “Freemium” model—you get nearly all the features (and definitely all the **important** ones) for free, but can choose to pay a yearly subscription if you want to receive a few more (minor) features and, more to the point, support the vendor’s continuing efforts. - Cons - Due to vendor’s admittedly well-argued opinions about notifications’ effect on productivity, app doesn’t provide them in real time. (Its biggest flaw. Suggested methods to resolve this involved considerable, potentially glitchy config which, for me at least, didn’t prove successful.) - Default per-email swipe behavior, as well as default ordering of icons intended for quick action on emails, seems oriented less toward dealing with emails and more toward getting them out of s
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
Hi all!
First, thanks Travis, Bill and Randall for your insight on how IMAP
works. I think that would have been long and demanding to scan every
email when syncing, so I'm glad this is not the case
Thanks Patrik for your workflow regarding your procedure to archive your
emails, I'll keep this as well for when I need to move my emails out of
MM.
As I said, at the moment I can live with the disk space + RAM + MailMate
general performance while working with it since I don't find it that
slow. I know it would be snappier while searching and doing operations,
but I think I'll investigate a little more to see if I can find the
cause of the high download bandwidth.
To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of
data.
You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my
laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a)
Regarding the RAM (I think it's simply because of the number of emails,
but if anyone find something that doesn't look right regarding the RAM
or anything else, please let me know!);
- [Screenshot from Activity Monitor](https://d.pr/i/UEw5dy)
- From the "top" terminal command:
```
PIDCOMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #WQ #PORT MEMPURG CMPRS
PGRP PPID STATEBOOSTS %CPU_ME %CPU_OTHRS UID FAULTS
COW MSGSENTMSGRECVSYSBSD SYSMACHCSW PAGEINS
IDLEW POWE
24238 MailMate 1.4 77:01.88 2527071 1164M 2088K 736M
24238 1 sleeping *0[5479] 0.00236 0.0501 9284220
3535 10108349+ 2441046+ 66702119+ 38571993+ 31311669+ 294676
698677+1.6
```
- From the Instruments application:
```
Process ID Process Name Responsible Process User Name % CPU CPU Time
# Threads Memory Kind Sudden Termination Sandbox Restricted App
Nap Idle Wake Ups Disk Writes (B) Disk Reads (B)
24238 MailMate (24238) n/a GuillaumeBarrette 2.1% 77.11
min 26 1.13 GiB Intel (64 bit) No No No No 1,739,433 639.85
MiB 2.40 GiB
```
So, I'll keep investigating the bandwidth and see if I find a solution
(or do you think I should fill a bug report?)
Thanks again everyone for your inputs, this is really appreciated!
Best,
--
Guillaume
On 10 May 2020, at 1:07, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote:
On 9 May 2020, at 16:45, Guillaume Barrette wrote:
So, I think my best way to reduce most of it would be to move a lot
of my emails to a new submailbox that I will unsubscribe from
MailMate. So my question, is this the only solution?
FWIW, your usage is MUCH smaller than mine. If I had only your
situation, I would not start doing what you are doing... :-) :-) :-)
That said, your plan is exactly what I have implemented.
What I have is a virtual mailbox ("To Archive") which include all
email that is older than one year, with sub mailboxes which is "one
month per sub mailbox".
Then I move all mail which is in these "To Archive" sub mailboxes to
mailboxes on this separate account which only have this older mail.
Two important things:
- The actual move, the archiving, is something I do manually
- I do *NOT* move mail that I have flags on, those stay
Implement as follows:
1. Create a virtual mailbox "The Mail" that includes all mail that is
to be archived, for example the following mailboxes. No rules for this
mailbox. This is btw the one you base all actions on (all other
mailboxes) instead of "All Mail". For example "Unread", "Default
mailbox for searches" etc.
1.1. Mail NOT in the archive itself (in that account)
1.2. Mail NOT in Draft
1.3. Mail NOT in Junk
1.4. Mail NOT in Deleted Messages
2. Create the mailbox "To Archive" with the following characteristics
(2.2.3 is to not have data for the Apple Notes application be moved
away):
2.1. Act on "The Mail" as the mailbox
2.2. Conditions, where all of the following are true:
2.2.1. "Date is not within 1 year"
2.2.2. "Message is not flagged"
2.2.3. "X-Uniform-Type-Identifier" is not com.apple.mail-note
2.3. For sub mailboxes set:
2.3.1. Have a sub mailbox for each unique value of Date->Month
2.3.2. Set name of sub mailbox to "${#date.month}"
Then you create one folder in your archive account which have the same
name as the sub mailboxes within "To Archive", open the sub mailbox,
select all, and just drag the mail over.
This 2nd account, with the archive you then do not have to for example
add on your phone etc. And more importantly, as you act all Mailmate
commands and virtual folders on the "The Mail" folder, the speed up
with be "a lot".
Patrik
P.S. FWIW, I get 12-13k messages a month, my MailMate process is 5-6G
and I have a total of 2.8 million email messages by now...adding
12-15k per month.
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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially for its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood correctly). There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate (from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought this was because the designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a way to fix this. Alain On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with MailMate. I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings that I've found. One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for certain emails to render properly. Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. -Eric On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent look-and-feel with iPhone version. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” let you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such as making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re initially more comfortable with its visual meta
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Email the developer. I’m sure they would like to know and/or have an answer for you: i...@preside.io Dave > I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially for > its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus and > remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside is free > while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood correctly). > There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but > which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, they > remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate (from the > Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear from the Preside > Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought this was because the > designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the > case. This is a bit irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a > way to fix this. > > Alain > >> On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: >> >> Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the >> author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative >> for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the >> support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with >> MailMate. >> >> I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now >> that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the >> iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. >> There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings >> that I've found. >> >> One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. >> If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different >> html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for >> certain emails to render properly. >> >> Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to >> use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. >> >> -Eric >> >> On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: >> >> Fellow MailMate users, >> >> >> I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to >> unpack here. >> >> A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a >> MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two >> apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests >> of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) >> blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if >> any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to >> iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* >> ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of >> the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if >> applicable.)* >> >> To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly >> as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m >> doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* >> opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* >> in my humble opinion . . . >> >> ## AltaMail >> >> - Pros >>- Real-time, highly configurable notifications. >>- Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. >>- Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. >>- Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this >> can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature >> lines that reference a specific device). >>- [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t >> yet requested help.] >> >> - Cons >>- Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate >> through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) >>- Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in >> background. >>- Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently >> not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). >>- Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. >>- Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when >> explicitly set for that device. >>- User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to >> navigate, and lack screen captures. >>- Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. >>- Doesn’t use Markdown. >> >> >> ## Preside >> >> - Pros >>- Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. >>- Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, >> organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. >>- Makes good use of iPad screen size
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Thanks. I did contact Rich on a few occasions, and he has has been quite responsive, but this time I wasn’t successful. I will try again. Alain On 10 May 2020, at 16:51, Dave C wrote: Email the developer. I’m sure they would like to know and/or have an answer for you: i...@preside.io Dave I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially for its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood correctly). There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate (from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought this was because the designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a way to fix this. Alain On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with MailMate. I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings that I've found. One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for certain emails to render properly. Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. -Eric On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent look-and-feel with iPhone version. - Apparentl
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Eric, Thanks for the response! Interesting thoughts. Best wishes, Bryce Wray bw...@wraytx.com https://brycewray.com On 10 May 2020, at 9:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with MailMate. I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings that I've found. One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for certain emails to render properly. Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. -Eric On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent look-and-feel with iPhone version. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” let you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such as making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re initially more comfortable with its visual metaphor. - Vendor is highly responsive and helpful. - “Freemium” model—you get nearly all the features (and definitely all the **important** ones) for free, but can choose to pay a yearly subscription if you want to receive a few more (minor) features and, more to the point, support the vendor’s continuing efforts. - Cons - Due to vendor’s admittedly well-argued opinions about notifications’ effect on productivity, app doesn’t provide them in real time. (Its biggest flaw. Suggested methods to resolve this involved considerable, potentially glitchy config which, for me at least, didn’t prove successful.) - Default per-email swipe behavior, as well as default ordering of icons intended for quick action on em
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Alain, Thanks for your response! Also, I concur with the response you received about bringing the bugginess to the developer’s attention; am sure he’ll want to know since this definitely doesn’t sound like standards-compliant behavior. Best wishes, Bryce Wray bw...@wraytx.com https://brycewray.com On 10 May 2020, at 9:45, aisrael wrote: I am also using Preside, which I find superior to Altamail, essentially for its customisation options (although navigating these endless menus and remembering where you are is a bit of a challenge). Besides Preside is free while Altamail charges you for upgrades (if I understood correctly). There is however one problem that I seem to experience with Preside, but which wasn’t present last year : when I delete emails on Mailmate, they remain in the Preside Inbox, but when I move emails in Mailmate (from the Inbox to a specific mailbox), it works OK : they disappear from the Preside Inbox and can be found in the target mailbox. I thought this was because the designated Deleted mailbox was different in the 2 apps, but this is not the case. This is a bit irritating (to say the least), and I can’t seem to find a way to fix this. Alain On 10 May 2020, at 16:25, Eric Sharakan wrote: Hi, I've chosen Preside (I'm using it now). I completely agree with the author's thoughts on notifications and productivity so that's not a negative for me at all. The big pluses for me are the customization options and the support for tags using IMAP keywords, which are totally compatible with MailMate. I do find the customization menus terribly confusing to navigate, but now that it's setup as I like I almost never need to go there. I also find the iPad version more confusing and less satisfying than the iPhone version. There are annoying differences between the two and no way to sync settings that I've found. One other negative I've found is the html rendering is not always spot on. If you dig through the options you will find that there are two different html rendering engines. I've sometimes had to switch between the two for certain emails to render properly. Overall I'm extremely happy with Preside and thrilled that I don't have to use Apple's inferior mail apps on either iOS or macOS. -Eric On May 9, 2020 at 13:07:46 EDT, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping co
[MlMt] Newbie Question - Can you TAG an outgoing e-mail ....
> > Hi > > Enjoying ( well - sort of ) learning the power of the program …. Question > —can I TAG an outgoing e-mail so I can track the ‘back & forth’ thread of a > specific problem in a smart folder … rather than TAG the reply ?? > > I have tried 2 examples - but neither show up AFTER the e-mail is sent … am I > doing something wrong ? I can tag e-mails after they are sent and they show > up in the proper smart folder … I just thought this would be an easier way to > handle …. > > I did disclose I was a newbie …additional question - why does Mail & MailMate > take so long to show the sent mail in my sent folder ?? Approx 3-5 minutes > before it shows back in their - often I like to take that sent and further > add something to additional people. Is there an ISP setting or ?? > > Ps - I tagged this outgoing e-mail as ‘WISHES’ ….:-) > > Regards > > Greg Henderson > Kingsville, ON Canada > > > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
I’d never heard of either of these apps. I’ve downloaded Preside and am using it now to type this response. It seems great! A shame about the ugly icon, though. If it supported Markdown it would almost be the perfect solution. Thanks, -Andrew -- Sent from my iPhone -- On 10 May 2020 at 13:17:38 AWST, Jan Erik Moström wrote: On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote: > So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to > share. I've never heard about these two before so thanks for bringing them to my attention. For me personally the notification stuff isn't a problem since I turn them off for email - I've just set it to "manually" so I don't get disturbed by them. If you're going to write a blog post I suggest that you look at the user agreements also, I've been trying out various iOS clients earlier and after a while I started to read the user agreements ... and that made be delete the apps. In short, an email client should talk to the mail servers I've set up ... nothing else, some iOS clients talk to a lot of different kinds of servers and in some cases transfers emails or part of them to other servers. = jem ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Thank you, sir! (And agree about the icon, too, especially next to others on the screen. I guess it’s the dull color as well as the gavel—probably the latter because it’s kinda/sorta aimed at attorneys, I suspect.) Best wishes, Bryce Wray bw...@wraytx.com On 10 May 2020, at 10:38, Andrew Canion wrote: I’d never heard of either of these apps. I’ve downloaded Preside and am using it now to type this response. It seems great! A shame about the ugly icon, though. If it supported Markdown it would almost be the perfect solution. Thanks, -Andrew -- Sent from my iPhone -- On 10 May 2020 at 13:17:38 AWST, Jan Erik Moström wrote: On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote: So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to share. I've never heard about these two before so thanks for bringing them to my attention. For me personally the notification stuff isn't a problem since I turn them off for email - I've just set it to "manually" so I don't get disturbed by them. If you're going to write a blog post I suggest that you look at the user agreements also, I've been trying out various iOS clients earlier and after a while I started to read the user agreements ... and that made be delete the apps. In short, an email client should talk to the mail servers I've set up ... nothing else, some iOS clients talk to a lot of different kinds of servers and in some cases transfers emails or part of them to other servers. = jem ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Setting a custom monospace font for code
It depends on what you want to use the font with. If it’s all text
messages, and not only the code part, then it’s like setting any font
in MailMate. You first choose `Show Fonts` from the `Format` menu, then
you click in a plain text message, and change the font (sometimes you
need to change the font size back and forth to make the change
register).
That’s the way to change fonts in all the interface of MailMate by the
way (list of emails, etc.).
If you want a specific font just for the code snippets (which would
apply in both plain text and html messages), there is a way with a
[hidden prefs](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences) which
I use. In terminal insert this (then return):
```bash
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultCSS -string 'code {
font-family: “Fira Code”, Monaco, monospace; }'
```
And restart Mailmate.
As the hidden prefs document mentions, it’s “strongly discouraged”
(I’m not sure why) but I use it and it works fine for me.
Best regards,
Denis
On 10 May 2020, at 4:36, Patrick Schratz wrote:
Hi,
I’ve successfully set custom fonts for HTML and text messages (in
~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css) and
enabled pygments syntax highlighting via the bundle.
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2029-different-font-support-for-plain-text-and-html-mails
Is there a way to also set the monospace font separately? I’d like
to use a font with ligatures like Fira Code.
Best, Patrick
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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote: So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to share. On Android (because not everyone who has a Mac has to have an I-Phone) I find FairMail pretty good. It's not as fully featured as MailMate but it is a reliable MUA that properly supports text/plain e-mails allows you disable top posting: personally, I think any mail client that doesn't do this should automatically be grey-listed! ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
On 10 May 2020, at 10:51, Charlie Clark wrote: On Android (because not everyone who has a Mac has to have an I-Phone) I find FairMail pretty good. It's not as fully featured as MailMate but it is a reliable MUA that properly supports text/plain e-mails allows you disable top posting: personally, I think any mail client that doesn't do this should automatically be grey-listed! ;-) Charlie Charlie, Thanks very much for the insight. And, although I sadly laid down my arms on top-posting-vs.-no-top-posting many years ago after getting tired of re-fighting it with every new app and/or app update, I will *avoid* it here specifically out of respect to your continuing to fight that noble battle, sir. :-) Best wishes, Bryce Wray bw...@wraytx.com https://brycewray.com___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
Thanks Charlie! I'll give it a look, while seeing the other emails regarding AltaMail vs Preside I was wondering about what people were using on their Android device. Thanks for mentioning FairMail, this look to be great! Best, -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 11:51, Charlie Clark wrote: On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote: So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to share. On Android (because not everyone who has a Mac has to have an I-Phone) I find FairMail pretty good. It's not as fully featured as MailMate but it is a reliable MUA that properly supports text/plain e-mails allows you disable top posting: personally, I think any mail client that doesn't do this should automatically be grey-listed! ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
i also looking for a MailMate like iOS App My main requirement is the Smart Folders with the submailboxes (for example also depending on the "to:" address). But i never found this feature in an iOS app :( On 9 May 2020, at 19:07, Bryce Wray wrote: Fellow MailMate users, I apologize in advance for the length of this! However, there’s a lot to unpack here. A search of the list archives suggests that those of you seeking a MailMate-like experience on iOS have generally ended up with one of two apps, either AltaMail or Preside. I am trying both now—and, in the interests of full disclosure, wish to note that I plan to write a (totally unpaid-for) blog post about this subject—so I would appreciate knowing your feelings, if any, about each app **and** whether you’ve actually made either your go-to iOS mail app. *(Re the blog post: rest assured I would quote you by name* ***only*** *if you explicitly approve. I mainly just want to get a “sense of the room,” but would also appreciate some particularly cogent quotes if applicable.)* To be sporting about it, I’ll go first—with the caveat that I’m not nearly as heavy a power user as I suspect the vast majority of you are, so I’m doubtless missing a **lot** of stuff; hence, my curiosity about *your* opinions. I will spare you multiple “IMHO” qualifiers, since this is *all* in my humble opinion . . . ## AltaMail - Pros - Real-time, highly configurable notifications. - Ability to navigate folders at multiple levels. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Syncs many settings among multiple devices via iCloud (although this can be a gotcha if you’re not careful, such as with “Sent from my” signature lines that reference a specific device). - [Have nothing to say about the vendor’s responsiveness, since I haven’t yet requested help.] - Cons - Menus’ on-screen structure and modalities make it difficult to navigate through folder levels, especially on iPhone-sized screen. (Its biggest flaw.) - Real-time notifications require keeping the app always running in background. - Sync with large IMAP folders can be slow on first access (apparently not done in background, which may be to save battery juice). - Some oddities with customizing received/sent emails’ appearances. - Doesn’t make efficient use of extra real estate on iPad, even when explicitly set for that device. - User docs appear to lack comprehensive details, are difficult to navigate, and lack screen captures. - Enforced subscription model after initial free trial. - Doesn’t use Markdown. ## Preside - Pros - Ability to navigate folders, easily, at multiple levels. - Vast customization options for both functionality and look-and-feel, organized for easy config once you’ve had time to get used to it. - Makes good use of iPad screen size while keeping consistent look-and-feel with iPhone version. - Apparently thorough adherence to email standards. - Until you get the hang of the config options, “Profiles” let you get a head-start on setting things to look as you want, such as making it look remarkably like the Apple app if you’re initially more comfortable with its visual metaphor. - Vendor is highly responsive and helpful. - “Freemium” model—you get nearly all the features (and definitely all the **important** ones) for free, but can choose to pay a yearly subscription if you want to receive a few more (minor) features and, more to the point, support the vendor’s continuing efforts. - Cons - Due to vendor’s admittedly well-argued opinions about notifications’ effect on productivity, app doesn’t provide them in real time. (Its biggest flaw. Suggested methods to resolve this involved considerable, potentially glitchy config which, for me at least, didn’t prove successful.) - Default per-email swipe behavior, as well as default ordering of icons intended for quick action on emails, seems oriented less toward dealing with emails and more toward getting them out of sight. - “Snippets” (drop-in variables, essentially) in signatures are glitchy. - User docs, while well-organized and apparently comprehensive, lack screen captures. - Doesn’t use Markdown. Finally: right now, I prefer Preside over AltaMail by a fairly wide margin *except* for the Preside notifications shortcomings, which really bug me. The only reliable way around it that I’ve found so far is to let Apple Mail—or, for now, AltaMail—provide real-time notifications and then go to Preside to view the emails themselves. It’s a kludgy, but workable solution; **but**, if your intent is to quit having Mail running in the background at all (although, remember, you can’t **really** delete Mail; it only “hides” if “deleted”), it’s a non-starter. So, any takers? Thanks for whatever info/opinions you may wish to share. Best wishes, Bryce Wray bw...@wraytx.com https://bryce
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote: To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of data. You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a) I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) does not reset the counter. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
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Hi Bill, Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it starts at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. With that, I'm watching it during the day and see that the download count raise little by little. For example, I restarted Activity Monitor this morning (a little before I sent my last email) and without restarting MailMate and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo uploads [screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW) So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and restart on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite sure this is accumulated between each time I restart it. Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place where I could see the total since the process started to see the difference. Best, -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote: On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote: To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of data. You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a) I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) does not reset the counter. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Newbie Question - Can you TAG an outgoing e-mail ....
On 10 May 2020, at 11:29, Greg Henderson wrote: Hi Enjoying ( well - sort of ) learning the power of the program …. Question —can I TAG an outgoing e-mail so I can track the ‘back & forth’ thread of a specific problem in a smart folder … rather than TAG the reply ?? No. Tags are implemented via IMAP flags, which are not part of a message proper. There's no standard for transmitting them inside a message sent via SMTP. I have tried 2 examples - but neither show up AFTER the e-mail is sent … am I doing something wrong ? I can tag e-mails after they are sent and they show up in the proper smart folder … I just thought this would be an easier way to handle …. I did disclose I was a newbie …additional question - why does Mail & MailMate take so long to show the sent mail in my sent folder ?? Approx 3-5 minutes before it shows back in their - often I like to take that sent and further add something to additional people. Is there an ISP setting or ?? This sounds like a problem with your mail server. MailMate does not move a message from Drafts into Sent until it has been successfully sent. It's not normal for that to take minutes, but it's also not unheard of for mail servers to impose artificial slow-downs to combat abuse and file to exempt trusted senders. Or to simply be massively overloaded and take minutes to process submitted mail. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Setting a custom monospace font for code
Hi Denis,
Thanks! I already had custom fonts set via the official settings.
Even though I am somewhat decent in CSS I could not find the class for
the code font and simply using `code{}` did not work.
I had not yet inspected the hidden settings - thanks for the pointer!
Works great now. Even though I would like to have a setting that can be
backed up and would like to avoid using the `defaults` command.
Maybe somehow can shine some light on how to add the `code` CSS class
into `~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css`.
I am so happy that I can seamlessly type my emails using vim keybinding
in my favorite editor with markdown support.
Seems weird to freak out about this in 2020 but apparently its legit :)
On 10 May 2020, at 17:50, Denis Ricard via mailmate wrote:
It depends on what you want to use the font with. If it’s all text
messages, and not only the code part, then it’s like setting any
font in MailMate. You first choose `Show Fonts` from the `Format`
menu, then you click in a plain text message, and change the font
(sometimes you need to change the font size back and forth to make the
change register).
That’s the way to change fonts in all the interface of MailMate by
the way (list of emails, etc.).
If you want a specific font just for the code snippets (which would
apply in both plain text and html messages), there is a way with a
[hidden prefs](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences)
which I use. In terminal insert this (then return):
```bash
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultCSS -string 'code {
font-family: “Fira Code”, Monaco, monospace; }'
```
And restart Mailmate.
As the hidden prefs document mentions, it’s “strongly
discouraged” (I’m not sure why) but I use it and it works fine for
me.
Best regards,
Denis
On 10 May 2020, at 4:36, Patrick Schratz wrote:
Hi,
I’ve successfully set custom fonts for HTML and text messages (in
~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css) and
enabled pygments syntax highlighting via the bundle.
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2029-different-font-support-for-plain-text-and-html-mails
Is there a way to also set the monospace font separately? I’d like
to use a font with ligatures like Fira Code.
Best, Patrick
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Re: [MlMt] Setting a custom monospace font for code
On 10 May 2020, at 11:36, Patrick Schratz wrote:
Thanks! I already had custom fonts set via the official settings.
Even though I am somewhat decent in CSS I could not find the class for
the code font and simply using `code{}` did not work.
I had not yet inspected the hidden settings - thanks for the pointer!
Works great now. Even though I would like to have a setting that can
be backed up and would like to avoid using the `defaults` command.
Maybe somehow can shine some light on how to add the `code` CSS class
into `~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css`.
I am so happy that I can seamlessly type my emails using vim
keybinding in my favorite editor with markdown support.
Seems weird to freak out about this in 2020 but apparently its legit
:)
Patrick,
Did you also account for `pre{}` since it typically wraps around
`code{}`? Just a thought.
Best wishes,
Bryce Wray
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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
On 10 May 2020, at 18:04, Bryce Wray wrote: hanks very much for the insight. And, although I sadly laid down my arms on top-posting-vs.-no-top-posting many years ago after getting tired of re-fighting it with every new app and/or app update, I will *avoid* it here specifically out of respect to your continuing to fight that noble battle, sir. :-) With a sieve on my head I go into battle… If people quote properly and think more about **what** they want to say and less about how they want it to look, we probably wouldn't need half the extensions or alternatives to e-mail! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
On 10 May 2020, at 18:09, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Thanks Charlie! I'll give it a look, while seeing the other emails regarding AltaMail vs Preside I was wondering about what people were using on their Android device. Thanks for mentioning FairMail, this look to be great! The configuration options aren't the most intuitive but it's getting frequent updates and the author is very responsive. I found that I could set up some rules to mirror some of the stuff in MailMate while I was travelling a lot. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Setting a custom monospace font for code
Good idea - but unfortunately it did not help.
Happy for now and with a bit of luck the maintainer reads this here and
can give more information.
Maybe also on the fact why this action is marked as "highly discouraged"
in the manual.
On 10 May 2020, at 18:40, Bryce Wray wrote:
On 10 May 2020, at 11:36, Patrick Schratz wrote:
Thanks! I already had custom fonts set via the official settings.
Even though I am somewhat decent in CSS I could not find the class
for the code font and simply using `code{}` did not work.
I had not yet inspected the hidden settings - thanks for the pointer!
Works great now. Even though I would like to have a setting that can
be backed up and would like to avoid using the `defaults` command.
Maybe somehow can shine some light on how to add the `code` CSS class
into `~/Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Resources/MmMessagesWebView/stylesheet.css`.
I am so happy that I can seamlessly type my emails using vim
keybinding in my favorite editor with markdown support.
Seems weird to freak out about this in 2020 but apparently its legit
:)
Patrick,
Did you also account for `pre{}` since it typically wraps around
`code{}`? Just a thought.
Best wishes,
Bryce Wray
bw...@wraytx.com
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Re: [MlMt] AltaMail vs. Preside?
For Android email, I’ve been happy with [Aqua Mail](https://www.mobisystems.com/aqua-mail/) from MobiSystems. Not a replacement for MailMate, but they seem to get along OK and it’s been stable with continuing updates. I haven’t seen FairEmail before, but at the time I was looking (many years ago) I don’t think FairEmail existed yet. On 10 May 2020, at 12:09, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Thanks Charlie! I'll give it a look, while seeing the other emails regarding AltaMail vs Preside I was wondering about what people were using on their Android device. Thanks for mentioning FairMail, this look to be great! Best, -- Guillaume Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
Just a follow up - having run MailMate for about 18 hours with Activity Monitor open, I’m showing 1 MB sent and 20 MB received. Not a huge email day for me, but that’s like three orders of magnitude less than what you’re seeing. I think there’s something screwy going on with your setup. Maybe some brain-dead IMAP servers force MailMate to be more profligate with bandwidth. What servers are you connecting to? I have two Fastmail accounts, two GMail accounts, and one private server running Dovecot. Hope this helps and that you find a fix. -sam On 10 May 2020, at 12:25, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Hi Bill, Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it starts at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. With that, I'm watching it during the day and see that the download count raise little by little. For example, I restarted Activity Monitor this morning (a little before I sent my last email) and without restarting MailMate and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo uploads [screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW) So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and restart on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite sure this is accumulated between each time I restart it. Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place where I could see the total since the process started to see the difference. Best, -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote: On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote: To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of data. You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a) I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) does not reset the counter. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
Hi Sam, Thanks a lot for doing the test, this is really appreciated and give me a better cue that something shouldn't be right with my setup! I was thinking that maybe the problem was with Gmail since my 3 emails who are really used are from Gmail, the 2 others are from my web hosting provider and only have 109 messages in one and 21 in the other, but now that you said that you have 2 Gmails addresses, then there must be something else. So, do you mind giving me some insight on how your Gmail accounts are configured in MailMate? Myself, I followed the information that we can find in MailMate manual [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup). So my `Important` + `Starred` mailboxes are unchecked (not subscribed), but I kept checked my `All Mail` mailbox (subscribed). Is it what you have or you also unchecked the `All Mail` mailbox ? Now I think I'll put my email accounts offline and activate one for a while and do this procedure with each account and see if one is the problem or if it's MailMate in general. One question for anyone reading, I don't think this is the case since from my understanding this should simply scan the local copy of the emails, but does the more that we have smart mailboxes in MailMate the more it needs to fetch emails online? Thanks again Sam and everyone! -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 20:53, Sam Hathaway wrote: Just a follow up - having run MailMate for about 18 hours with Activity Monitor open, I’m showing 1 MB sent and 20 MB received. Not a huge email day for me, but that’s like three orders of magnitude less than what you’re seeing. I think there’s something screwy going on with your setup. Maybe some brain-dead IMAP servers force MailMate to be more profligate with bandwidth. What servers are you connecting to? I have two Fastmail accounts, two GMail accounts, and one private server running Dovecot. Hope this helps and that you find a fix. -sam On 10 May 2020, at 12:25, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Hi Bill, Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it starts at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. With that, I'm watching it during the day and see that the download count raise little by little. For example, I restarted Activity Monitor this morning (a little before I sent my last email) and without restarting MailMate and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo uploads [screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW) So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and restart on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite sure this is accumulated between each time I restart it. Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place where I could see the total since the process started to see the difference. Best, -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote: On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote: To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of data. You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a) I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) does not reset the counter. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
On 10 May 2020, at 21:43, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Hi Sam, Thanks a lot for doing the test, this is really appreciated and give me a better cue that something shouldn't be right with my setup! I was thinking that maybe the problem was with Gmail since my 3 emails who are really used are from Gmail, the 2 others are from my web hosting provider and only have 109 messages in one and 21 in the other, but now that you said that you have 2 Gmails addresses, then there must be something else. GMail does seem like a potential source of heavy traffic, since they conflate IMAP flags (which MM exposes as "Tags") with mailboxes, so that their mailboxes are a bit like "Smart" mailboxes. If you have rules that tag mail automatically you could end up downloading mail twice or more. So, do you mind giving me some insight on how your Gmail accounts are configured in MailMate? Myself, I followed the information that we can find in MailMate manual [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup). So my `Important` + `Starred` mailboxes are unchecked (not subscribed), but I kept checked my `All Mail` mailbox (subscribed). Is it what you have or you also unchecked the `All Mail` mailbox ? I also have 2 GMail accounts, one with the recommended subscriptions and one with all mailboxes subscribed. I do not see heavy bandwidth usage, but I also have very little mail activity on those accounts. Now I think I'll put my email accounts offline and activate one for a while and do this procedure with each account and see if one is the problem or if it's MailMate in general. An excellent approach. One thing I have seen (and submitted a bug report for years ago) is that MM can get into an infinite loop state where it repeatedly runs the same IMAP commands against the same mailbox until the mailbox is offlined. This could cause heavy bandwidth use but you would probably notice that because it comes with an activity spinner for the account & mailbox stricken by the bug. One question for anyone reading, I don't think this is the case since from my understanding this should simply scan the local copy of the emails, but does the more that we have smart mailboxes in MailMate the more it needs to fetch emails online? No. Unless you have rules attached to those smart mailboxes that tag or move messages automatically, they should not cause any server interactions. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate
Hi Bill, Thanks again for your help! Regarding the rules that apply tags, actually I had one for each emails that added a tag to each new email and that were changed at a later time by a Google Apps Script. I now removed them and removed the script. I'll see if this changes something (actually I did it some hours ago and with only 1 email online in MM and I still see the download raise a little too much; seems to be less than before, but still a lot more than what Sam gets). Now I've been running with my biggest email account (102,819 emails) for about 2 or maybe 3 hours and I have 170 mb downloads. So, I guess this is the one that is the most problematic... I'll keep looking at it. You said that Gmail auto tagging could cause the download of email multiple times, could this happen with the auto mark as Important in Gmail ? and when we flag an email (starred) ? Or since those 2 mailboxes are not subscribed, then this shouldn't cause any problem? Thanks, -- Guillaume On 10 May 2020, at 22:21, Bill Cole wrote: On 10 May 2020, at 21:43, Guillaume Barrette wrote: Hi Sam, Thanks a lot for doing the test, this is really appreciated and give me a better cue that something shouldn't be right with my setup! I was thinking that maybe the problem was with Gmail since my 3 emails who are really used are from Gmail, the 2 others are from my web hosting provider and only have 109 messages in one and 21 in the other, but now that you said that you have 2 Gmails addresses, then there must be something else. GMail does seem like a potential source of heavy traffic, since they conflate IMAP flags (which MM exposes as "Tags") with mailboxes, so that their mailboxes are a bit like "Smart" mailboxes. If you have rules that tag mail automatically you could end up downloading mail twice or more. So, do you mind giving me some insight on how your Gmail accounts are configured in MailMate? Myself, I followed the information that we can find in MailMate manual [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/account_setup). So my `Important` + `Starred` mailboxes are unchecked (not subscribed), but I kept checked my `All Mail` mailbox (subscribed). Is it what you have or you also unchecked the `All Mail` mailbox ? I also have 2 GMail accounts, one with the recommended subscriptions and one with all mailboxes subscribed. I do not see heavy bandwidth usage, but I also have very little mail activity on those accounts. Now I think I'll put my email accounts offline and activate one for a while and do this procedure with each account and see if one is the problem or if it's MailMate in general. An excellent approach. One thing I have seen (and submitted a bug report for years ago) is that MM can get into an infinite loop state where it repeatedly runs the same IMAP commands against the same mailbox until the mailbox is offlined. This could cause heavy bandwidth use but you would probably notice that because it comes with an activity spinner for the account & mailbox stricken by the bug. One question for anyone reading, I don't think this is the case since from my understanding this should simply scan the local copy of the emails, but does the more that we have smart mailboxes in MailMate the more it needs to fetch emails online? No. Unless you have rules attached to those smart mailboxes that tag or move messages automatically, they should not cause any server interactions. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not For Hire (currently) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
