Re: [mailop] Orange.es - anybody home?

[Ángel via mailop]

On 2020-05-21 at 23:36 +0200, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've tried to report some spam to orange.es, this report is stuck in our 
> outgoing queue:
> 
> (host inc.wanadoo.es[62.36.20.20] refused to talk to me: 451 Temporary local 
> problem - please try later)
>  ab...@orange.es
> 
> Manual telnet session from my home IP works, from my private server gets an 
> immediate disconnect.
> 
> Does anybody know what's up with them?
> 
> Cheers,
> Hans-Martin

I get replies pointing that it is being balanced to different backend
servers: dam09, dam10, dam12, dam15, dam17.  As well as immediate
disconnects which are probably happening when it's unable to pass the
connection to the chosen smtp service.

You could report the spam as well through the national CSIRT:
incidenc...@incibe-cert.es

Best regards


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[mailop] Orange.es - anybody home?

[Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop]

Hello,

I've tried to report some spam to orange.es, this report is stuck in our 
outgoing queue:

(host inc.wanadoo.es[62.36.20.20] refused to talk to me: 451 Temporary local 
problem - please try later)
 ab...@orange.es

Manual telnet session from my home IP works, from my private server gets an 
immediate disconnect.

Does anybody know what's up with them?

Cheers,
Hans-Martin

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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Atro Tossavainen via mailop]

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 09:29:02AM -0400, Chris via mailop wrote:
> Atro, what was Y axis?  Individual emails?  10's?  100's?

More than that. Still only a drop in the ocean when it comes to an ESP
that sends billions a day, of course. We are no Microsoft or Google.

> And you just seemed to say that it was all sendgrid, not taking into
> account whether it was spam or not.  Correct?

Any mail received at our spamtraps, of whose composition you might
have a fairly decent idea, identified as being sent by SendGrid. As
I said and you quoted it back at me, 

>> So, it bears to be remembered that the graph I shared is of the total
>> number of mail detected as SendGrid only, with absolutely no comment
>> on which customers it was or whether the mail was legit ESP customer
>> mail or in any manner any stuff that an ESP would normally not expect
>> to be sending in the first place.

So, as to whether it was spam or not: you have to indicate your definition
of spam first, and then it becomes possible to at least attempt to have
that conversation with respect to this data.

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Koli-Lõks OÜ (reg. no. 12815457, VAT ID EE101811635)
Tallinn, Estonia
tel. +372-5883-4269, http://www.koliloks.eu/

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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Chris via mailop]

Atro, what was Y axis?  Individual emails?  10's?  100's?

And you just seemed to say that it was all sendgrid, not taking into 
account whether it was spam or not.  Correct?


Um.

On 2020-05-21 05:01, Atro Tossavainen via mailop wrote:

Hey Ray,


I checked again this morning and its 'back on track' here also now.

I saw a (big) drop here during the day but it has cought up.


Having a bit of longer-term perspective is good.

Having said that, my business partner remarked that "we are also dealing
with a situation where companies that never spammed before are trying
it out of desperation."

So, it bears to be remembered that the graph I shared is of the total
number of mail detected as SendGrid only, with absolutely no comment
on which customers it was or whether the mail was legit ESP customer
mail or in any manner any stuff that an ESP would normally not expect
to be sending in the first place.




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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Jakub Olexa via mailop]

Hi,

the patterns look the same since jan 1st for recycled and pristine traps:

adding typos:

there is a dip between apr 5th and 13th... other than that I don't see
much of a difference

Jakub Olexa
Founder & CEO
E-mail: ja...@mailkit.com 
Tel: +420 777 744 440 

Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and Engagement


On 21.5.2020 11:01, Atro Tossavainen via mailop wrote:
> Hey Ray,
>
>> I checked again this morning and its 'back on track' here also now.
>>
>> I saw a (big) drop here during the day but it has cought up.
> Having a bit of longer-term perspective is good.
>
> Having said that, my business partner remarked that "we are also dealing
> with a situation where companies that never spammed before are trying
> it out of desperation."
>
> So, it bears to be remembered that the graph I shared is of the total
> number of mail detected as SendGrid only, with absolutely no comment
> on which customers it was or whether the mail was legit ESP customer
> mail or in any manner any stuff that an ESP would normally not expect
> to be sending in the first place.
>

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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Atro Tossavainen via mailop]

Hey Ray,

> I checked again this morning and its 'back on track' here also now.
> 
> I saw a (big) drop here during the day but it has cought up.

Having a bit of longer-term perspective is good.

Having said that, my business partner remarked that "we are also dealing
with a situation where companies that never spammed before are trying
it out of desperation."

So, it bears to be remembered that the graph I shared is of the total
number of mail detected as SendGrid only, with absolutely no comment
on which customers it was or whether the mail was legit ESP customer
mail or in any manner any stuff that an ESP would normally not expect
to be sending in the first place.

-- 
Atro Tossavainen, Founder, Partner
Koli-Lõks OÜ (reg. no. 12815457, VAT ID EE101811635)
Tallinn, Estonia
tel. +372-5883-4269, http://www.koliloks.eu/

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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop]

Hai!


I don't see any drop in volumes here.   I just spent 10 minutes
looking at anything hitting traps today from Sendgrid ASN and soon
found plenty of concern:



I concur with Steve.

http://www.atro.fi/sendgrid.png

Y axis is linear, thin line is trendline.


Thanks Atro!

I checked again this morning and its 'back on track' here also now.

I saw a (big) drop here during the day but it has cought up.

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Re: [mailop] SendGrid Abuse unresponsive

[Atro Tossavainen via mailop]

> I don't see any drop in volumes here.   I just spent 10 minutes
> looking at anything hitting traps today from Sendgrid ASN and soon
> found plenty of concern:

I concur with Steve.

http://www.atro.fi/sendgrid.png

Y axis is linear, thin line is trendline.

-- 
Atro Tossavainen, Founder, Partner
Koli-Lõks OÜ (reg. no. 12815457, VAT ID EE101811635)
Tallinn, Estonia
tel. +372-5883-4269, http://www.koliloks.eu/

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