[mailop] Spike in imap connects from apple devices

2023-12-15 Thread Cor Bosman via mailop
Hi all, we have lately seen a huge spike in imap connects from a group of our 
customers. When we correlate those connects with other logs we can see they’re 
all apple devices.   They are connecting somewhere between 5-10 times per 
second for several hours. Has anyone else seen anything like this recently?

Regards,

Cor

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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread Luciano Mannucci via mailop
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:49:12 + (UTC)
"L. Mark Stone via mailop"  wrote:

> Historically, we have avoided deploying greylisting*, but are curious if 
> greylisting would block these emails?  Could anyone who is doing greylisting 
> comment on whether these garbage emails are being resent?
Yes, they are resent.
Though, due to the fact that they change the IP at each attempt, it
takes a while to be delivered, hence we can manually bounce them on
our spare time...

Cheers,

Luciano.

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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
Thanks Hans; I appreciate the fast reply.  Your response comports with our 
understanding as well, but felt we should ask.

All the best, 
Mark 
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- Original Message -
From: "Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop" 
To: "mailop" 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 9:21:30 AM
Subject: Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

Am 15.12.23 um 14:49 schrieb L. Mark Stone via mailop:
> We too are seeing high volumes of such email.
>
> Historically, we have avoided deploying greylisting*, but are curious if 
> greylisting would block these emails?  Could anyone who is doing greylisting 
> comment on whether these garbage emails are being resent?

Greylisting is generally ineffective against spam sent through a regular 
e-mail infrastructure. It only helps when the sending software is either 
set up to avoid retries or the sending IP is only used for a very short 
interval.

Spam sent via accounts on freemailers is generally hard to reject 
without resorting to content filtering. In some cases (when accurate 
Received-lines are present) you may be able to filter based on header 
information, but some providers (such as Google) hide this information, 
presumably to protect the privacy of their users.

Cheers,
Hans-Martin

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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread Mike Hillyer via mailop
Greylisting is for dealing with compromised machines where the malicious sender 
is bursting through a list trying each message once then getting out of there 
since they expect the compromised machine to be dealt with. Any properly 
configured MTA will keep retrying when given tempfails because that's what a 
good MTA is supposed to do.

Since these are being sent through Microsoft's servers, they will behave as 
they should and keep trying delivery when they encounter tempfails.

Mike

From: mailop  on behalf of L. Mark Stone via mailop 

Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 8:49 AM
To: mailop 
Subject: Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

We too are seeing high volumes of such email.

Historically, we have avoided deploying greylisting*, but are curious if 
greylisting would block these emails?  Could anyone who is doing greylisting 
comment on whether these garbage emails are being resent?

Thanks,
Mark

*Most of our customers are B2B, and many rely on paid industry newsletter 
subscriptions, some of which are expensive. Years ago, when we first deployed 
greylisting as a test, we found a number of these newsletter senders did NOT 
resend after being greylisted. We have not retested since then.
_
L. Mark Stone, Founder
North America's Leading Zimbra VAR/BSP/Training Partner
For Companies With Mission-Critical Email Needs

- Original Message -
From: "Bradley King via mailop" 
To: "Otto J. Makela" 
Cc: "mailop" 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 4:06:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

I have an open ticket with Microsoft for Spam /Phish from their network.

Each morning, I collate data and send them the previous 24 hours. Hundreds of 
thousands of spam and Phish each 24 hours. I have been sending them data for 
around 2 months. I am yet to see any improvement.

I see it from outlook/hotmail. Vanity domains on O365. Loads of throwaway 
domains made up of garbled text.(example only- sheurussswu.xyz). Loads of the 
newer TLDs - .fun .xyz .motorcycle - too many to list. All configured with 
valid spf/dkim. Most likely their trial accounts being abused.

No improvement, no real feedback. I honestly don’t know why I persist.

Cheers,

Brad

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 6:46 pm, Otto J. Makela via mailop  
wrote:


This week, we've been getting quite a lot of carefully forged spam from
outlook.com addressess, fully using their email infrastructure.
What is your experience, is there point in putting effort into reporting it?



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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop

Am 15.12.23 um 14:49 schrieb L. Mark Stone via mailop:

We too are seeing high volumes of such email.

Historically, we have avoided deploying greylisting*, but are curious if 
greylisting would block these emails?  Could anyone who is doing greylisting 
comment on whether these garbage emails are being resent?


Greylisting is generally ineffective against spam sent through a regular 
e-mail infrastructure. It only helps when the sending software is either 
set up to avoid retries or the sending IP is only used for a very short 
interval.


Spam sent via accounts on freemailers is generally hard to reject 
without resorting to content filtering. In some cases (when accurate 
Received-lines are present) you may be able to filter based on header 
information, but some providers (such as Google) hide this information, 
presumably to protect the privacy of their users.


Cheers,
Hans-Martin

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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread L. Mark Stone via mailop
We too are seeing high volumes of such email.

Historically, we have avoided deploying greylisting*, but are curious if 
greylisting would block these emails?  Could anyone who is doing greylisting 
comment on whether these garbage emails are being resent?

Thanks, 
Mark 

*Most of our customers are B2B, and many rely on paid industry newsletter 
subscriptions, some of which are expensive. Years ago, when we first deployed 
greylisting as a test, we found a number of these newsletter senders did NOT 
resend after being greylisted. We have not retested since then.
_ 
L. Mark Stone, Founder 
North America's Leading Zimbra VAR/BSP/Training Partner 
For Companies With Mission-Critical Email Needs

- Original Message -
From: "Bradley King via mailop" 
To: "Otto J. Makela" 
Cc: "mailop" 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 4:06:29 AM
Subject: Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

I have an open ticket with Microsoft for Spam /Phish from their network. 

Each morning, I collate data and send them the previous 24 hours. Hundreds of 
thousands of spam and Phish each 24 hours. I have been sending them data for 
around 2 months. I am yet to see any improvement. 

I see it from outlook/hotmail. Vanity domains on O365. Loads of throwaway 
domains made up of garbled text.(example only- sheurussswu.xyz). Loads of the 
newer TLDs - .fun .xyz .motorcycle - too many to list. All configured with 
valid spf/dkim. Most likely their trial accounts being abused. 

No improvement, no real feedback. I honestly don’t know why I persist. 

Cheers, 

Brad 

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 6:46 pm, Otto J. Makela via mailop  
wrote: 


This week, we've been getting quite a lot of carefully forged spam from 
outlook.com addressess, fully using their email infrastructure. 
What is your experience, is there point in putting effort into reporting it? 

 

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Re: [mailop] Microsoft rejecting their own headers

2023-12-15 Thread Bjoern Franke via mailop

Hi,



What is stupid is that the header that causes the reject upon reinject
is written BY THEM! How about not writing such crazily long report on a
single header?



They have to protect their users from spam, but their users themselves 
would never spam. So this makes sense.


SCNR

Bjoern


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Re: [mailop] Microsoft rejecting their own headers

2023-12-15 Thread Carsten Schiefner via mailop
Maybe they have just started eating their own dog food V2.0 at MS? ;->

SCNR.

Best,

-C.

> Am 15.12.2023 um 11:37 schrieb Laurent S. via mailop :
> 
> It seems Microsoft made very recently a change. Since then, we get a 
> whole bunch of reject with this message:
> 
>> 554 5.6.211 Invalid MIME Content: Single text value size (32820) 
> exceeded allowed maximum (32768) for the 
> 'X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info-Original' header.
> 
> The company I work for does some e-mail handling where our clients would 
> keep their MX at microsoft and route some inbound mails through our 
> infra by connectors.
> 
> What is stupid is that the header that causes the reject upon reinject 
> is written BY THEM! How about not writing such crazily long report on a 
> single header?
> 
> We are now implementing a reject on the same header length for this 
> service, but I suppose our customer will realize soon that they are 
> missing some mails and will, as usual, put the blame on us instead of 
> microsoft.
> 
> Regards,
> Laurent
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[mailop] Microsoft rejecting their own headers

2023-12-15 Thread Laurent S. via mailop
It seems Microsoft made very recently a change. Since then, we get a 
whole bunch of reject with this message:

 > 554 5.6.211 Invalid MIME Content: Single text value size (32820) 
exceeded allowed maximum (32768) for the 
'X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info-Original' header.

The company I work for does some e-mail handling where our clients would 
keep their MX at microsoft and route some inbound mails through our 
infra by connectors.

What is stupid is that the header that causes the reject upon reinject 
is written BY THEM! How about not writing such crazily long report on a 
single header?

We are now implementing a reject on the same header length for this 
service, but I suppose our customer will realize soon that they are 
missing some mails and will, as usual, put the blame on us instead of 
microsoft.

Regards,
Laurent

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Re: [mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread Bradley King via mailop
I have an open ticket with Microsoft for Spam /Phish from their network.Each morning, I collate data and send them the previous 24 hours. Hundreds of thousands of spam and Phish each 24 hours. I have been sending them data for around 2 months. I am yet to see any improvement.I see it from outlook/hotmail. Vanity domains on O365. Loads of throwaway domains made up of garbled text.(example only-  sheurussswu.xyz). Loads of the newer TLDs - .fun .xyz .motorcycle - too many to list. All configured with valid spf/dkim. Most likely their trial accounts being abused.No improvement, no real feedback. I honestly don’t know why I persist.Cheers,BradOn Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 6:46 pm, Otto J. Makela via mailop  wrote:This week, we've been getting quite a lot of carefully forged spam fromoutlook.com addressess, fully using their email infrastructure.What is your experience, is there point in putting effort into reporting it?Received: from smtp1.csc.fi (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])	by localhost.localdomain (envelope-sender ) with ESMTP id 3BEM7Xf3015890	for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:07:35 +0200Received: (from defang@localhost)	by smtp1.csc.fi id 3BEM7IvH012400	for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:07:18 +0200Received: from smtp1.csc.fi (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])	by localhost.localdomain (envelope-sender ) with ESMTP id 3BEM7IId015829; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:07:18 +0200Received: (from mail@localhost)	by smtp1.csc.fi (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 3BEM7ITP015828;	Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:07:18 +0200Received: from BL0PR02CU006.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eastusazolkn1901.outbound.protection.outlook.com [52.103.11.0])	by smtp1.csc.fi (8.14.4/8.14.4/CSC) with ESMTP id 3BEM7F1i015812	(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK)	for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:07:16 +0200ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none;  b=ED4/pL0CafVHglmaDmvjHxVDN4EW9jGaMQR1VJYER8Bsa8swuMkxlZhTs65sAAt9eis5DBUBfn6cxwf8NTdxVZxuR2bhNTqcLnPguJCYqp623YQ+HGh/r3Bj7qkwCgrHoSChJ/EP/yQZMlDGmoU/Ly3LdSBZmEO9xBEV0IFue2vEey+aHblDvtFmImHsKci63Yedvu2omyr/zJr7Z5/FM613tKxE/BS0GDvsia7qHS/Qlap7rvCgIDERgv14Qg5OmtaQt3rm0tmQuI3L1dAr03WuJKYQC/LmC4BPYMOkfmJ++j14hURVSwqwDKQ2+GHfYs6hNlN+Br1ZzmRMCeNvvg==ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com;  s=arcselector9901;  h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1;  bh=D+vYwBP6aADOQhZpYxFMSfCiOdzfInsqVrllavvDJEk=;  b=n22tReCwEFnVZbea6M1d/XDPeerT366qXHUeAA1z2yMdkHAeCPQuSeRJf3zNZGndOCJza7xasD5Se8eEGONoyq+3YuF/OVVEW1Jyhdd1J85G8eKx7ices5ZjeXvz5aPqyYKEPfsOjl/f87pSaCd9KttLSOgXzU+s+gtt80aiRRokJdwlNfkaRuvS4rcjxjoS1X9ayUnhzQMLwFl+1nWO/JCXlQNpwHMs0GtWYdg4lXjOy4WNeasWYIyD9D8xuAJWRBIEgOzj6jnw3rsKbFhzN40d7UVreABzayjsnxxF7mwgiJpUjsk+qbrCHidoutcuzfVQbrP4esMIptGdRCwPng==ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none;  dkim=none; arc=noneDKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com;  s=selector1;  h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck;  bh=D+vYwBP6aADOQhZpYxFMSfCiOdzfInsqVrllavvDJEk=;  b=F68bS/eFYdcPZC1FKfvcJVO9sMoPgwzzbM6sctTJhpsEqVtgGULPtxlmPmmr12z1q5expAztRumFcFqb72vHAZ3L/Qz+sfSqyV4QtgUykmIsi9bIRiXxWmUVcHHrpBBy4lImm+76AUdxPL386FrTBHnWae12R+BXV18dxxziWdPIqBXx2ZW0etZnSJRCtq78ij1VU9L9tbTK0iygL8W2paDnLw5c7EXC2pwqWwG9uV8zKHOQK5Tzsvp8ePgdy2uBD0/pqfbeQa77JPL2dM8Orfe2cgZL2yeU5xl/0a+Y13h2+3g6mYjLCnhPIPYvKetEV6cwa60zd8KRoDByKeQWeQ==Received: from SA3PR05MB10372.namprd05.prod.outlook.com  (2603:10b6:806:37d::18) by SA3PR05MB9668.namprd05.prod.outlook.com  (2603:10b6:806:313::5) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2,  cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.7091.28; Thu, 14 Dec  2023 22:07:08 +Received: from SA3PR05MB10372.namprd05.prod.outlook.com  ([fe80::b6f1:c6f7:359c:2f23]) by SA3PR05MB10372.namprd05.prod.outlook.com  ([fe80::b6f1:c6f7:359c:2f23%3]) with mapi id 15.20.7091.028; Thu, 14 Dec 2023  22:07:07 +X-Mailer: MailBee.NET 12.3.1.667From: "livshitsjemere1...@outlook.com" Subject: Sinkku UA-naiset ovat alueellasi!Reply-To: "livshitsjemere1...@outlook.com" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 23:07:03 +0100Message-ID:  SA3PR05MB10372.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;	boundary="=_NextPart_000_44D3_27757235.EC7D78A2"To: Undisclosed recipients:;X-TMN: [t1N2pGILfQDQhYs+XuQIbsU9zMJ8MRod]X-ClientProxiedBy: VI1PR04CA0117.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com  (2603:10a6:803:f0::15) To SA3PR05MB10372.namprd05.prod.outlook.com  (2603:10b6:806:37d::18)X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <1.b871d96563f8d1a21a98@DESKTOP-PKC9ISR>MIME-Version: 1.0X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1X-MS-PublicTrafficType: EmailX-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: SA3PR05MB10372:EE_|SA3PR05MB9668:EE_X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 011582c9-e06e-4d33-70fd-08dbfcf102e2X-Microsoft-Antispam: 

[mailop] Incoming spam from outlook.com

2023-12-15 Thread Otto J. Makela via mailop

This week, we've been getting quite a lot of carefully forged spam from
outlook.com addressess, fully using their email infrastructure.
What is your experience, is there point in putting effort into reporting it?



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