Re: [mailop] IP rental
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 07:38:38AM -0400, micah anderson via mailop wrote: > > I don't know about you, but we get contacted by these companies who want > to buy/rent our unused IP resources, fairly regularly. They claim to be > 'providers of proxy and email marketing resources', 'SEO Proxy, e-mail > marketing, Hosting, VPS', etc (see below for an example). > > They are very persistent, and if you try you can find they typically > will offer something around 100-150$ USD/month to rent your /24, and > will also pay $1/IP. They usually want to know what the address space is > in advance, because they are looking for 'clean' addresses. > > This can't be anything other than a pipeline for spammers, and it must > work. I'm wondering if this can be shut down somehow, does it require > policy changes at RIRs? Not speaking officially for the ARIN AC, but I'll point out that legitimizing the leasing market in policy by way of Draft Policy ARIN-2019-18: LIR/ISP Re-Assignment to Non-Connected Networks (https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2019_18.html) was largely opposed by the ARIN community (Sept 2019 PPML thread https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2019-September/067362.html Oct 2019 PPML thread https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2019-October/067388.html ARIN44 meeting session https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXyZkeaBf5Q) and abandoned by the AC. However a policy respesenting the converse, explictly calling it out as prohibited, has not been put forward by the community. If anyone is interested in developing such a policy, please feel free to either - submit yourself per the Policy Development Process (https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ and specifically template https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/appendix_b/). - engage me via jzp-ari...@rsuc.gweep.net (or another Advisory Council member https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/) and we can help you shape up a proposal. Joe, who has had a couple leasing enquiries this week alone. -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Force confirmed opt in for marketing list companies per email address
IHNJ, just correcting the subject line... On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 10:58:18PM +0100, Tim Bray via mailop wrote: > On 02/06/2020 21:22, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: > > > > It would need to be a standard... a SINGLE standard. > > > > Like the FTC "Do Not Call" list. > > > > I wasn't thinking about something central at all.?? I was just thinking > about it as something top 1 or 2 market leaders could do to be helpful. > > (like various UK banks have secondary security things you can turn on if > you are high risk or a victim of identity theft or in a domestic > violence situation. The credit reference agencies are helpful too in > terms of letting you see what searches done in your name) > > Because I'm unsubscribing from 3 or 4 things a day.?? (but like 10 > today)?? Mainly from reputable marketing companies (like mailchimp) > > I don't want rid of all marketing emails. There are companies whose > mails I want. > > > Maybe mailchimp could send me a weekly digest of `these 10 companies > signed you up this week`.?? And I could just click `unsubscribe from all, > never signed up for this list`.?? In one go, rather than several times a day. > > > I don't really believe I've been sat in people's dormant lists (at an > email service provider) for years and years. I think it is fresh lists > extracted from CRMs and webstores, but maybe several years of old data.?? > And maybe people sharing lists with their mates or when sales people > move companies. > > (if you pay by paypal, then pretty much the merchant gets your email > address whatever) > > I've put a subject access request into mailchimp, so I'll see what comes > back.?? I guess depends whether mailchimp think they are governed by GDPR > or not. > > > > -- > Tim Bray > Huddersfield, GB > t...@kooky.org > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop -- Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
