Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

2020-08-04 Thread Bressier Simon via mailop 
At least I have tried, thx Michael I will try to have that fixed somehow !

Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 20:32, Michael Wise via mailop
 a écrit :
>
>
>
> I'm really not in a position to assist with JMRP issues.
>
> You pretty much have to go thru the web-based resources.
>
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> Michael.
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> From: mailop  On Behalf Of Bressier Simon via 
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> To: Al Iverson 
> Cc: mailop 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] Microsoft contact - JMRP issue
>
>
>
> Hey,
>
>
>
> Yes the issue here is not the registration itself on JMRP for the /18, it 
> will be exploded indeed in /24. But the range is still partly enrolled on few 
> JMRP programs from the previous owner(s), and we can't enroll the range on 
> our own JMRP if that IPs are still on theirs.
>
> I've contacted the guys from that other companies... but dunno if I can 
> expect some help from them yet, or if that contact addresses are even still 
> in use.
>
>
>
> That's why it would be more efficient via a MS folk :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 17:12, Al Iverson  a écrit :
>
> >
>
> > If you want to learn from my past fumbling -- I register everything
>
> > with SNDS and JMRP as /24 (or smaller), nothing bigger. Once upon a
>
> > time I found that sometimes it seemed to treat a submission as though
>
> > it were only a /24 even though it was a larger range (/18 or /20).
>
> > That may/may not still be an issue, I have no idea, since long ago I
>
> > decided to treat every range as if it were /24 or smaller. Which means
>
> > you'd be entering it as 64 /24s instead of one /18, if I did my math
>
> > correctly. Fun? No. Does it work? Yes...I've not had any sort of issue
>
> > with JMRP for a long time.
>
> >
>
> > (Well, I've had two unrelated issues with JMRP periodically, not
>
> > related to this. One is, sometimes when we give a client access to
>
> > SNDS data, they try to modify the JRMP settings for a range. We warn
>
> > clients that we monitor for this and revoke access of anybody caught
>
> > doing this. Two, Proofpoint seemed to be eating new SNDS access
>
> > verification requests, but only for a new range in RIPE. Never figured
>
> > out why only those ranges were affected, but we were able to whitelist
>
> > around it.)
>
> >
>
> > You might have a hard time finding somebody at MS who can actually
>
> > assist with an SNDS/JMRP issue. Good luck!
>
> >
>
> > BTW, treating all your ranges as /24 makes doing IP allocation math
>
> > and feeding ranges to other services more simple, too. I now do it for
>
> > all ISP FBLs and registrations (CSA, WP.pl,. JMRP, Return Path
>
> > multi-FBL, etc.) and it means I no longer have to think about CIDR in
>
> > sizes other than /24 (and I don't have to worry about somebody else
>
> > being able to do the math, either).
>
> >
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Al Iverson
>
> >
>
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:38 AM Bressier Simon via mailop
>
> >  wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Hey Michael or any other MS folk,
>
> > >
>
> > > Could you please contact me off list for some help on a JMRP program for 
> > > a /18 registration?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thank you very much in advance,
>
> > >
>
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Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Microsoft contact - JMRP issue

2020-08-03 Thread Michael Wise via mailop 


I'm really not in a position to assist with JMRP issues.

You pretty much have to go thru the web-based resources.

Aloha,
Michael.
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-Original Message-
From: mailop  On Behalf Of Bressier Simon via mailop
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:30 AM
To: Al Iverson 
Cc: mailop 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mailop] Microsoft contact - JMRP issue



Hey,



Yes the issue here is not the registration itself on JMRP for the /18, it will 
be exploded indeed in /24. But the range is still partly enrolled on few JMRP 
programs from the previous owner(s), and we can't enroll the range on our own 
JMRP if that IPs are still on theirs.

I've contacted the guys from that other companies... but dunno if I can expect 
some help from them yet, or if that contact addresses are even still in use.



That's why it would be more efficient via a MS folk :)





Le lun. 3 août 2020 à 17:12, Al Iverson 
mailto:aiver...@wombatmail.com>> a écrit :

>

> If you want to learn from my past fumbling -- I register everything

> with SNDS and JMRP as /24 (or smaller), nothing bigger. Once upon a

> time I found that sometimes it seemed to treat a submission as though

> it were only a /24 even though it was a larger range (/18 or /20).

> That may/may not still be an issue, I have no idea, since long ago I

> decided to treat every range as if it were /24 or smaller. Which means

> you'd be entering it as 64 /24s instead of one /18, if I did my math

> correctly. Fun? No. Does it work? Yes...I've not had any sort of issue

> with JMRP for a long time.

>

> (Well, I've had two unrelated issues with JMRP periodically, not

> related to this. One is, sometimes when we give a client access to

> SNDS data, they try to modify the JRMP settings for a range. We warn

> clients that we monitor for this and revoke access of anybody caught

> doing this. Two, Proofpoint seemed to be eating new SNDS access

> verification requests, but only for a new range in RIPE. Never figured

> out why only those ranges were affected, but we were able to whitelist

> around it.)

>

> You might have a hard time finding somebody at MS who can actually

> assist with an SNDS/JMRP issue. Good luck!

>

> BTW, treating all your ranges as /24 makes doing IP allocation math

> and feeding ranges to other services more simple, too. I now do it for

> all ISP FBLs and registrations (CSA, WP.pl,. JMRP, Return Path

> multi-FBL, etc.) and it means I no longer have to think about CIDR in

> sizes other than /24 (and I don't have to worry about somebody else

> being able to do the math, either).

>

> Cheers,

> Al Iverson

>

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:38 AM Bressier Simon via mailop

> mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:

> >

> > Hey Michael or any other MS folk,

> >

> > Could you please contact me off list for some help on a JMRP program for a 
> > /18 registration?

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance,

> >

> > Simon, Head of Deliverability at Sendinblue

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