Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[RenoSun]

OL3/4

var ghybrid = new ol.layer.Tile({
preload: Infinity,
source: new ol.source.TileImage({
attributions: [
new ol.Attribution({
html: ' Google Map
  '
}),
ol.source.OSM.ATTRIBUTION
],
tileGrid: new ol.tilegrid.TileGrid({
//Enter your own extent (tile max extent)
extent: [
-13867062.1744, 6313000.89531,
-13843390.389, 6355831.09224
],
//Resolutions for 21 zoom levels
resolutions: [156543.03390625, 78271.516953125,
39135.7584765625,
19567.87923828125, 9783.939619140625,
4891.9698095703125,
2445.9849047851562, 1222.9924523925781,
611.4962261962891,
305.74811309814453, 152.87405654907226,
76.43702827453613,
38.218514137268066, 19.109257068634033,
9.554628534317017,
4.777314267158508, 2.388657133579254,
1.194328566789627,
0.5971642833948135, 0.2986, 0.1493],
tileSize: [gridSize, gridSize]
}),
tileUrlFunction: function (tileCoord, pixelRatio,
projection) {
var zoom = tileCoord[0];
var tileGrid = this.getTileGrid();
var center =
ol.proj.transform(ol.extent.getCenter(tileGrid.getTileCoordExtent(tileCoord)),
"EPSG:3857", "EPSG:4326");
//console.log(center[0]);
//console.log(center[1]);
return
'https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/staticmap?' +
'key=YOURGOOGLEMAPAPIKEY&' +
'maptype=satellite&' +
'size=' + gridSize + 'x' + gridSize + '&' +
'zoom=' + zoom + '&' +
'center=' + center[1] + ',' + center[0]
;
},
maxZoom: 21
}),
visible: true,
name: 'Google Satellite'
});



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[GordonL]

The line of code for adding Google Maps to OpenLayers 3 or 4 is:

  new ol.layer.Tile({
source: new ol.source.TileImage({url:
'http://mt0.google.com/vt/lyrs=m={x}={y}={z}'})
  })





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Mike Herel]

We do have a contract to use the Google API, so that's good news.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018, 4:07 PM GordonL 
wrote:

> If you want to pay for Google APIs, you could use the TILES in OpenLayers
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[GordonL]

If you want to pay for Google APIs, you could use the TILES in OpenLayers 4:





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Sorry, but Google Maps is such a technical and legal minefield that I will
not even entertain the thought of integrating Google Maps into
mapguide-react-layout if the underlying libraries I'm using (ie. OpenLayers)
do not support it.

This was supported in OpenLayers 2.x (that Fusion uses), so Google Maps is
supported there. But OpenLayers 3 and onwards do not, so neither will
mapguide-react-layout.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

That is most *definitely* my intention. I want this PSC to have 8 active
members.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

It is good see Gordon is on there.  Are there plans to add more if the others 
don't respond?

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-Original Message-
From: mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf 
Of Jackie Ng
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:15 PM
To: mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

This is why I hate having to maintain the mapguide.osgeo.org web site. 

It has so much out-of-date information (of which the PSC page is one of), but 
the editing controls are so horrible that the site is suffering from bit-rot 
and lots of pages I don't know about (like this PSC page) will have out-of-date 
content as a result.

Anyways, what I know to be the "current and active" PSC right now is really:

Myself
Haris Kurtagic
Crispin Hoult
Gordon Luckett

I asked for a PSC reboot nearly 3 years ago in this thread 
(http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/PSC-overhaul-td5142668.html). In this 
thread, Bob, Tom, Bruce and Paul declared they wanted to step aside. Kevin 
Campbell from Autodesk.

Zac has stepped aside several months later
(http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Stepping-down-from-the-PSC-td5157489.html)

Trevor and Kevin have been MIA.

I've started a "PSC roll call" thread on mapguide-internals. I'm pretty sure 
the only respondents will be those on this list.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

In response to my incomplete gibberish:

> I asked for a PSC reboot nearly 3 years ago in this thread 
(http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/PSC-overhaul-td5142668.html). In this 
thread, Bob, Tom, Bruce and Paul declared they wanted to step aside. Kevin 
Campbell from Autodesk. 

That was meant to say at the end. Kevin Campbell from Autodesk was brought
in as a PSC replacement. He's been MIA, etc, etc.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

This is why I hate having to maintain the mapguide.osgeo.org web site. 

It has so much out-of-date information (of which the PSC page is one of),
but the editing controls are so horrible that the site is suffering from
bit-rot and lots of pages I don't know about (like this PSC page) will have
out-of-date content as a result.

Anyways, what I know to be the "current and active" PSC right now is really:

Myself
Haris Kurtagic
Crispin Hoult
Gordon Luckett

I asked for a PSC reboot nearly 3 years ago in this thread
(http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/PSC-overhaul-td5142668.html). In this
thread, Bob, Tom, Bruce and Paul declared they wanted to step aside. Kevin
Campbell from Autodesk.

Zac has stepped aside several months later
(http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Stepping-down-from-the-PSC-td5157489.html)

Trevor and Kevin have been MIA.

I've started a "PSC roll call" thread on mapguide-internals. I'm pretty sure
the only respondents will be those on this list.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[MHerel]

Thanks for the clarification Jackie.   

I am hoping for a bright future for MGOS and was worried that things might
go off-the-rails. Onward and upward.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

The source code is public (it always has been)

"Open Source" is like politics, we are merely having perpetual disagreements
over free(dom) vs free(as in beer) regarding software and how its source
code can be used by other parties.

I'm of the opinion that the current LGPL license strikes a good balance
between the two definitions of "free".

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[jerryr]

Is it possible to include an invite or some other way to encourage Autodesk involvement to clear up and offer some assistance to address these concerns?


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS
From: Martin Morrison <martin.morri...@edsi.com>
Date: Wed, January 17, 2018 10:08 am
To: MapGuide Users Mail List <mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org>

One point that was raised that should be addressed is the steering committee.  This group of people need to be currently active to address the concerns raised by Autodesk dropping AIMS.

Bob Bray (Chair)
Bruce Dechant
Tom Fukushima
Haris Kurtagic
Jackie Ng
Paul Spencer
Zac Spitzer
Trevor Wekel

How many of these members are current?  I thought Zac resigned a while back?

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From: mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of GordonL
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:01 AM
To: mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org
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Yes, the number one priority is to fill in the gaps left by Autodesk.
They don't have to be pretty, just work for now.





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

One point that was raised that should be addressed is the steering committee.  
This group of people need to be currently active to address the concerns raised 
by Autodesk dropping AIMS.

Bob Bray (Chair)
Bruce Dechant
Tom Fukushima
Haris Kurtagic
Jackie Ng
Paul Spencer
Zac Spitzer
Trevor Wekel

How many of these members are current?  I thought Zac resigned a while back?

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-Original Message-
From: mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf 
Of GordonL
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 10:01 AM
To: mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

Yes, the number one priority is to fill in the gaps left by Autodesk.
They don't have to be pretty, just work for now.





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[GordonL]

Yes, the number one priority is to fill in the gaps left by Autodesk.
They don't have to be pretty, just work for now.





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

Why is this a topic now?  We should be focused on replacing the lost resources 
that AutoDesk provided.

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Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

I'm not an expert on licensing but isn't the whole point "open source" to
make the source code public?

I was hopeful for MGOS but am a little concerned now.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[MHerel]

I'm not an expert on licensing but isn't the whole point "open source" to
make the source code public?

I was hopeful for MGOS but am a little concerned now.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Hans Milling]

I am against GPL too. We have a lot of stuff build on the Maestro API and
integrated in the ajax viewer. If MapGuide was changed to GPL licensen, we
would pull the plug, because we do not want all of our source code to go
public. Why hand all our golden egs to our competitions ?

Same reason we haven't converted all of our MapInfo modules to QGIS. There
is no business in GPL licensed software.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Well here's a pre-emptive -1 from me.

Because I will *never* support any move to the GPL license.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Ricardo Pinho]

Hi,
> if the licensing is problematic, perhaps we should review it.

Changing Mapguide *OS license from LGPL to GPL or AGPL* could be a good
point to take to the current Project Steering Committee
 !!!
[Bob Bray (Chair), Bruce Dechant, Tom Fukushima, Haris Kurtagic, Jackie Ng,
Paul Spencer, Zac Spitzer, Trevor Wekel]

But I'm not sure if that is even legally possible, because of the *copyleft
condition* of LGPL 2.1 
https://choosealicense.com/licenses/lgpl-2.1/


*Primarily used for software libraries, the GNU LGPL requires that derived
works be licensed under the same license, but works that only link to it do
not fall under this restriction*
The new LGPL-3.0, seems to have corrected this, allowing to change LGPL3 to
GPL3
https://choosealicense.com/licenses/lgpl-3.0/
*Permissions of this copyleft license are conditioned on making available
complete source code of licensed works and modifications under the same
license or the GNU GPLv3*.

Good luck!
Cheers.

2018-01-16 21:59 GMT+00:00 GordonL :

> Yes.  It's all part of the same commitment.
>
> Yes we want more people to adopt it.
>
> Yes we free software developers should support each other.
>
> Yes if the licensing is problematic, perhaps we should review it.
>
> The future of MapGuide still requires the active participation of its
> developers, users, teachers and integrators - all of us.
>
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[GordonL]

Yes.  It's all part of the same commitment.

Yes we want more people to adopt it.

Yes we free software developers should support each other.

Yes if the licensing is problematic, perhaps we should review it.

The future of MapGuide still requires the active participation of its
developers, users, teachers and integrators - all of us.






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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Ricardo Pinho]

And what I am reffering to is: "
*We free software developers should support one another." *And contribute
and adopt only GPL licensed projects or in the case of server software AGPL
licensed projects
*.*
So users must be aware and understand the consequences of this when they
choose to use the LesserGPL software!
Cheers

2018-01-16 20:21 GMT+00:00 Martin Morrison <martin.morri...@edsi.com>:

> I think was Gordon was referring to was; the more people use it, the more
> likely the project will thrive…
>
>
>
> *Martin Morrison*
>
>
>
> *  Infrastructure Application Engineer/Systems Analyst  Engineering
> Design Systems, Inc. 540.345.1410 **martin.morri...@edsi.com*
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> *From:* mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Ricardo Pinho
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2018 3:03 PM
> *To:* MapGuide Users Mail List <mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS
>
>
>
> Sorry Gordon, but I must disagree on that statement!
>
>
>
> The *beauty of Free and Open Source is all about it's License*, that
> promotes 4 liberties: use, share, modify and distribute!
>
> And the success of of OS depends on the Developers community!
>
>
>
> Since Autodesk as adopted LGPL for Mapguide Open Source,
>
> http://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html
>
> http://mapguide.osgeo.org/lgpl.html
>
>
>
> This license compromises it's future and the developers community.
>
>
>
> You should read the explanation bellow:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/*why-not-lgpl*.html
> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html>
> *The choice of license makes a big difference: using the Lesser GPL
> permits use of the library in proprietary programs; using the ordinary GPL
> for a library makes it available only for free programs.*
>
> *Proprietary software developers, seeking to deny the free competition an
> important advantage, will try to convince authors not to contribute
> libraries to the GPL-covered collection. For example, they may appeal to
> the ego, promising “more users for this library” if we let them use the
> code in proprietary software products. Popularity is tempting, and it is
> easy for a library developer to rationalize the idea that boosting the
> popularity of that one library is what the community needs above all. *
>
> *But we should not listen to these temptations, because we can achieve
> much more if we stand together. We free software developers should support
> one another. By releasing libraries that are limited to free software only,
> we can help each other's free software packages outdo the proprietary
> counterparts. The whole free software movement will have more popularity,
> because free software as a whole will stack up better against the
> competition.*
>
>
>
> Today there is even a better license for server software, the A-GPL:
>
> *The purpose of the GNU Affero GPL is to prevent a problem that affects
> developers of free programs that are often used on servers.*
>
>
>
> Read more about it: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *But suppose the program is mainly useful on servers. When D modifies the
> program, he might very likely run it on his own server and never release
> copies. Then you would never get a copy of the source code of his version,
> so you would never have the chance to include his changes in your version.
> You may not like that outcome. Using the GNU Affero GPL avoids that
> outcome. If D runs his version on a server that everyone can use, you too
> can use it. Assuming he has followed the license requirement to let the
> server's users download the source code of his version, you can do so, and
> then you can incorporate his changes into your version. (If he hasn't
> followed it, you have your lawyer complain to him.)*
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-01-16 17:45 GMT+00:00 GordonL <gordon.luck...@arrowgeomatics.com>:
>
> The bright-ness is about who uses it.  The more we use it, the more likely
> it
> becomes a standard.
>
> The success of Open Source is not sales but community participation and
> adoption.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

I think was Gordon was referring to was; the more people use it, the more 
likely the project will thrive…

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From: mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf 
Of Ricardo Pinho
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Sorry Gordon, but I must disagree on that statement!

The beauty of Free and Open Source is all about it's License, that promotes 4 
liberties: use, share, modify and distribute!
And the success of of OS depends on the Developers community!

Since Autodesk as adopted LGPL for Mapguide Open Source,
http://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html
http://mapguide.osgeo.org/lgpl.html

This license compromises it's future and the developers community.

You should read the explanation bellow:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
The choice of license makes a big difference: using the Lesser GPL permits use 
of the library in proprietary programs; using the ordinary GPL for a library 
makes it available only for free programs.
Proprietary software developers, seeking to deny the free competition an 
important advantage, will try to convince authors not to contribute libraries 
to the GPL-covered collection. For example, they may appeal to the ego, 
promising “more users for this library” if we let them use the code in 
proprietary software products. Popularity is tempting, and it is easy for a 
library developer to rationalize the idea that boosting the popularity of that 
one library is what the community needs above all.

But we should not listen to these temptations, because we can achieve much more 
if we stand together. We free software developers should support one another. 
By releasing libraries that are limited to free software only, we can help each 
other's free software packages outdo the proprietary counterparts. The whole 
free software movement will have more popularity, because free software as a 
whole will stack up better against the competition.

Today there is even a better license for server software, the A-GPL:
The purpose of the GNU Affero GPL is to prevent a problem that affects 
developers of free programs that are often used on servers.

Read more about it: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.html

But suppose the program is mainly useful on servers. When D modifies the 
program, he might very likely run it on his own server and never release 
copies. Then you would never get a copy of the source code of his version, so 
you would never have the chance to include his changes in your version. You may 
not like that outcome.

Using the GNU Affero GPL avoids that outcome. If D runs his version on a server 
that everyone can use, you too can use it. Assuming he has followed the license 
requirement to let the server's users download the source code of his version, 
you can do so, and then you can incorporate his changes into your version. (If 
he hasn't followed it, you have your lawyer complain to him.)

Cheers!


2018-01-16 17:45 GMT+00:00 GordonL 
<gordon.luck...@arrowgeomatics.com<mailto:gordon.luck...@arrowgeomatics.com>>:
The bright-ness is about who uses it.  The more we use it, the more likely it
becomes a standard.

The success of Open Source is not sales but community participation and
adoption.



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[Ricardo Pinho]

Sorry Gordon, but I must disagree on that statement!

The *beauty of Free and Open Source is all about it's License*, that
promotes 4 liberties: use, share, modify and distribute!
And the success of of OS depends on the Developers community!

Since Autodesk as adopted LGPL for Mapguide Open Source,
http://mapguide.osgeo.org/about.html
http://mapguide.osgeo.org/lgpl.html

This license compromises it's future and the developers community.

You should read the explanation bellow:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/*why-not-lgpl*.html



*The choice of license makes a big difference: using the Lesser GPL permits
use of the library in proprietary programs; using the ordinary GPL for a
library makes it available only for free programs.*
*Proprietary software developers, seeking to deny the free competition an
important advantage, will try to convince authors not to contribute
libraries to the GPL-covered collection. For example, they may appeal to
the ego, promising “more users for this library” if we let them use the
code in proprietary software products. Popularity is tempting, and it is
easy for a library developer to rationalize the idea that boosting the
popularity of that one library is what the community needs above all. *

* But we should not listen to these temptations, because we can achieve
much more if we stand together. We free software developers should support
one another. By releasing libraries that are limited to free software only,
we can help each other's free software packages outdo the proprietary
counterparts. The whole free software movement will have more popularity,
because free software as a whole will stack up better against the
competition.*

Today there is even a better license for server software, the A-GPL:
*The purpose of the GNU Affero GPL is to prevent a problem that affects
developers of free programs that are often used on servers.*

Read more about it: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.html



*But suppose the program is mainly useful on servers. When D modifies the
program, he might very likely run it on his own server and never release
copies. Then you would never get a copy of the source code of his version,
so you would never have the chance to include his changes in your version.
You may not like that outcome.Using the GNU Affero GPL avoids that outcome.
If D runs his version on a server that everyone can use, you too can use
it. Assuming he has followed the license requirement to let the server's
users download the source code of his version, you can do so, and then you
can incorporate his changes into your version. (If he hasn't followed it,
you have your lawyer complain to him.)*

Cheers!



2018-01-16 17:45 GMT+00:00 GordonL :

> The bright-ness is about who uses it.  The more we use it, the more likely
> it
> becomes a standard.
>
> The success of Open Source is not sales but community participation and
> adoption.
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[GordonL]

The bright-ness is about who uses it.  The more we use it, the more likely it
becomes a standard.

The success of Open Source is not sales but community participation and
adoption.



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[GordonL]

it might be an idea to try the OGR Provider... for DWG...

http://www.gdal.org/drv_cad.html





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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[BMason]

Yes a big thanks to Jackie for sure!



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[MHerel]

Now that AIMS is no more, would you consider adding Google Maps support in
the React viewer? This is very important for us.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[MHerel]

As far as the Oracle FDO compared to the SLKing provider, I believe that the
SLKing does not have the same built-in functions as the AIMS provider. It's
been a while since I compared so I could be wrong.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Manoj Desai]

Hi Jackie,

While Maestro may accomplish many of the same tasks as Studio, Studio's UI
is for the most part much more user friendly.  For my users, Maestro looks
like it was built by programmers for programmers.  My clients are not
programmers.  If someone where to make Maestro look and feel and use the
terminology as Studio, it would be great and it does have some great
features for advanced users like editing XML directly but I wouldn't want my
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[morkl]

@torrini
Yes, it is for Windows. The patch only contains the changes to the source
needed to compile the code, so you need to be able to compile (i.e. have
Visual Studio 2015 installed) after applying the patch.

Step by step, assuming Visual Studio 2015, ECW SDK, and TortoiseSVN are
installed:
* Check out the FDO source tree from svn: Right click empty folder in
explorer --> SVN Checkout --> URL: http://svn.osgeo.org/fdo/ --> Choose
items --> Check the folder trunk\Thirdparty\gdal --> OK --> OK
* Apply the patch: Put the patch file in the folder you checked out the code
in --> Right click it --> TortoiseSVN --> Apply patch --> Patch all items
* Open fdo\trunk\Thirdparty\gdal\nmake.opt in a text editor --> Change row
270 to point to your ECW SDK directory
* Open fdo\trunk\Thirdparty\gdal\gdal_vs15.sln in Visual Studio 2015 -->
Select build configuration Release and platform x64 --> Build solution
* Copy fdo\trunk\Thirdparty\gdal\gdal110.dll to MapGuide\Server\FDO
* Copy the ECW DLLs from {ECW SDK location}\bin\vc140\x64 to
MapGuide\Server\FDO

If you don't have Visual Studio 2015 you could try using this one that I
compiled:  gdal110.zip

  
(although I generally advise against using DLLs from strangers on the
Internet willy-nilly).

*However*, since Jackie just announced an upcoming 3.1.1 release with GDAL
2.0 support around Feb/March, the safest bet might be to wait until then and
use the prebuilt DLLs from GISInternals  :)


torrini wrote
> @morkl
> Right on cue!
> I was just dealing with ECW in 3.1 and already thought about switching to
> TIF or something else.
> Now, as I am new to the development thing, how can I use your patch?! Is
> it
> suitable for Windows?
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[torrini]

@morkl
Right on cue!
I was just dealing with ECW in 3.1 and already thought about switching to
TIF or something else.
Now, as I am new to the development thing, how can I use your patch?! Is it
suitable for Windows?



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Tim Price]

If we could enable SDF support in a load procedure of Maestro- that would be
great. It is a very fast way to store spatial data that doesn't change
often. Also, Composite Symbology and Offset Symbology is currently much
easier to use in Studio. Full disclosure tho - I am more cartographer than
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[morkl]

FWIW, I have been able to build GDAL 1.10 from FDO Trunk with ECW support
(API version 5.0, SDK version 5.3) using MSVC2015 with some minor changes to
nmake.opt (see attached patch).

We don't have the required license so I haven't done any serious testing,
but it seemed to work as a drop-in replacement in MGOS 3.1 at a cursory
glance.
nmake.patch   



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Fritz Robert]

HI,

there are alternatives to AIMS Industry Model Web (aka Topobase Web) . IM Web 
is quite powerfull and the alternatives I'm aware of do not cover it completly. 
But IM Web was (still is?) quite slow.
We have been using TBVIEW for a few years now - it gives access to Map forms 
and more.
https://www.tbview.de/

Rob

Von: mapguide-users [mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] im Auftrag 
von Bruno Scott [bsc...@geomapgis.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 15:56
An: mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org
Betreff: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

Hi all,
There is another part of AIMS that is going to disappear : The ex-Topobase
features.
Very powerful stuff developed with a strong DotNet API.
The modules developed with this api is available to AutoDesk Map and AIMS.
We are gone to missed that one.
And i don't see any replacement :-(

Bruno




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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

Please don't misunderstand.  My comment was more who else is willing so as not 
to burden you...



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Jackie Ng <jumpinjac...@gmail.com>
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I don't want or intend to be the sole "silo of knowledge" for MapGuide/FDO.
If there are competent C++ developers willing to step up to the plate, I'm
happy to impart whatever knowledge and guidance.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Hans Milling]

We moved from AIMS to MGOS about 5 years ago. Autodesk told us, to be able to
sell AIMS we had to start selling all of Autodesks products. That is when we
decided to go Open Source. Support from Autodesk was crap and just to obtain
a license took 1-2 weeks. New support personal all the time and couldn't
understand that MapGuide was server software and not a windows program with
a help->license menu. We have never regretted moving to MGOS instead.
We are using the GDAL provider for ECW at our clients (requires license).
But it works perfectly, no problems. Also someone mentioned in this thread,
concerns about Oracle support. We have a few clients that uses oracle
databases. The Oracle provider that comes with MGOS works great, we have not
encountered any problems.
As for DWG support, none of our clients had problems, the few that uses
Autodesk products just save in a different format than AutoCAD DWG when
creating new files for the MapGuide server. Not a big deal for them. Would
be nice though to have the provider available in MGOS, but it is not a
"must" for us.

Best regards
  Hans Milling...



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Scott Hameister]

Agreed

On Jan 8, 2018 9:54 PM, "Jackie Ng"  wrote:

The future is as bright as the community wants it to be.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Last I heard, DWG provider uses a super-proprietary RealDWG toolkit from
Autodesk which carries a technical and legal minefield of constraints on how
that toolkit can be used.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Besides not working on Linux, where does the King Oracle provider fall short
compared to the Autodesk one?

If you want custom GDAL with ECW support (ala.
https://trac.osgeo.org/mapguide/wiki/MGOSGdalProviderFor26And30) we have to
update FDO trunk to build against GDAL 2.0(.2) and backport this to FDO 4.1
branch.

FDO is currently using GDAL 1.10, for which there is no MSVC2015 equivalent
development package available on gisinternals.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

What is not "free and open source" about MGOS? Because this is the
mapguide-users mailing list discussing MapGuide Open Source, not the
Autodesk forums discussing a now defunct commercial product.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Do you know the specifics of where the King Oracle provider falls short over
the Autodesk one, that prevents you from using it over the adsk one?

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

I don't want or intend to be the sole "silo of knowledge" for MapGuide/FDO.
If there are competent C++ developers willing to step up to the plate, I'm
happy to impart whatever knowledge and guidance.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

The future is as bright as the community wants it to be.

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Jackie Ng]

Besides loading/converting DWGs, what does Studio do better that MapGuide
Maestro doesn't?

- Jackie



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Plantech]

That would be a hopeful happening if you put trust in Autodesk saying that
they want to improve the "delivering of technologies that improve the
exchange of data and information between GIS tools and [Autodesk's] BIM
design solutions. It strengthens [Autodesk's] ability to enable more
connected GIS+BIM workflows."

While they are "collaborating" with ESRI, it would be nice if Autodesk
offered the abilities to the dedicated users and subscribers of AIMS and the
MGOS communities to completely use all of the AIMS FDO data sources within
the MGOS platform.  Besides the ECW and Oracle (where user has proper
licensing) connections, the incorporation of  FDO DWF and DWG file formats
as data sources should be a foremost offering to MGOS.

We have developed significant data using Autodesk products (primarily
Autocad Map 3D) in the form of drawings in  DWG and DWF files which we are
displayed in AMIS as FDO data/layers.  This would seem a natural inclusion
in Autodesk's final assistance or contribution to the OSGEO community.

Indeed, the DWG and DWF formats are certainly a key connection between
remaining Autodesk products and MGOS.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[MHerel]

Seeing that Autodesk previously owned MapGuide and made it open-source, would
they now donate the code for Studio and the Oracle and ECW FDO providers
etc?

We use Oracle so bringing the SLKing FDO up to par with Oracles's provider
would be nice.



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Kajar]

How bright is the  future of MGOS?
I have used it at least 5 years, but after those news, I'm a little worried.
Is it really reasonable to start seeking some other GIS platforms?

Kajar



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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Ricardo Pinho]

Guys, I'm an old Autodesk user/technitian, from Softdesk / Autodesk
World... old times! (1995).
I've seen this too many times from Autodesk, so I know exactly what comes
next...

My advice: don't waste more time and money, go to a* TRUE FREE AND OPEN
SOURCE COMMUNITY GIS SERVER SOLUTION*.

That's the only way to secure your investment and keep away and free from
marketing unilateral decisions!

There are so many full feature, dynamic and robust 100% GPL and AGPL
licensed GIS Server solutions available, with great community/enterprise
support and with interoperability granted!

GeoServer <http://geoserver.org/> + Geonetwork
<https://geonetwork-opensource.org/> + Geonode <http://geonode.org/>+
MapStore2 <https://mapstore.geo-solutions.it/> + PostGIS
<https://postgis.net/> + ...

Enterprise Support:
   - http://www.geo-solutions.it/technologies/
   - https://www.geocat.net
   - https://boundlessgeo.com/boundless-server/

Good luck!

2018-01-08 18:09 GMT+00:00 Martin Morrison <martin.morri...@edsi.com>:

> The larger question I have, is without Autodesk doing fixes for OS
> releases, etc.  How many programmers are going to be able to step up and
> help support the future development?  Jackie does great, but he is just one
> guy doing this on the side...
>
> Also, what about the Autodesk guys on the steering committee?  Are they
> going to continue to have jobs or even willing to carry on?
>
> Martin Morrison
> Infrastructure Application Engineer/Systems Analyst
>  Engineering Design Systems, Inc.
> 540.345.1410
> martin.morri...@edsi.com
>
>
> www.edsi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mapguide-users [mailto:mapguide-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Nilsson, Dan
> Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 12:55 PM
> To: MapGuide Users Mail List <mapguide-users@lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS
>
> Gordon,
>
> how about the dwg provider? Is that also possible in the OpenSource
> version?
>
> Dan Nilsson
>
> > 8 jan. 2018 kl. 18:52 skrev Manoj Desai <manoj.de...@websoftdev.com>:
> >
> > Gordon,
> >
> > We also need a better replacement for Studio.
> >
> > Manoj
> >
> >
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Martin Morrison]

The larger question I have, is without Autodesk doing fixes for OS releases, 
etc.  How many programmers are going to be able to step up and help support the 
future development?  Jackie does great, but he is just one guy doing this on 
the side...

Also, what about the Autodesk guys on the steering committee?  Are they going 
to continue to have jobs or even willing to carry on?

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Subject: Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

Gordon, 

how about the dwg provider? Is that also possible in the OpenSource version?

Dan Nilsson

> 8 jan. 2018 kl. 18:52 skrev Manoj Desai <manoj.de...@websoftdev.com>:
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> Gordon,
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> We also need a better replacement for Studio.
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Nilsson, Dan]

Gordon, 

how about the dwg provider? Is that also possible in the OpenSource version?

Dan Nilsson

> 8 jan. 2018 kl. 18:52 skrev Manoj Desai :
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> Gordon,
> 
> We also need a better replacement for Studio.
> 
> Manoj
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> 
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Re: [mapguide-users] Moving to MGOS from AIMS

[Manoj Desai]

Gordon,

We also need a better replacement for Studio.

Manoj



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