[Maphist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Doug McIlroy]

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I hope by "forum" Peter didn't refer to general hosting
facilities like Google, Yahoo and (heaven forfend) Facebook.
I share Deborah's reluctance to register with an establishment
that uses one's registration for many purposes, including some
yet undreamed of, when all I want to do is see one class of
information.  While I believe Google probably can protect a list
from outside intrusion better than, for example, most university
comp centers, I also believe that the latter will leave the list
alone and not use information about its members for other
purposes.

Doug McIlroy

Incidentally, it has bothered me that some dealers use maphist
to help build their mailing lists, but fortunately the ripples
of my maphist registration have spread over a rather small pond.
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist


For the past 15 years I wrote a newsletter

to 800+ software developers in IBM. It was similar

in style to the maphist newsletter and was text only.

I had a table of contents at the top and individual

articles in the body, similar to MapHist.


The benefits of doing that were the following:


1. I wrote a single web page for access to the archives

for searching. I wrote that page 6 years ago, and

it has not changed and required no updates for

the past 6 years.


2. Never has my newsletter been accused of transmitting

a virus.


3. My readers never had to remember which browser

(I have 6 on many of my computers) contains the

URL of the forum. Each newsletter contained the

URL of the archive and a note on how to unsubscribe.


4. When I polled my readers they required three things of me:

a. Text only (virus free) newsletter (push technology)

b. non shrunken URLS - none of this tiny.co stuff -

they wanted to see where I was sending them.

c. They overwhelmingly preferred push technology

rather than pull (email over forum).


How can we have MapHist remain a newsletter.


Ed Bradford
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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On 12/7/2011 2:31 AM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:
Very sad, Peter. I love reading it and regret the interruption.
Bruce Fetter


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Dear all

I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the
University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation,
this server will be closed down very soon - and since it is a very old
computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv program)
will not be installed

With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we decided
that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host. Maphist will
continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. However it will
take some weeks before it is running.

Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message that
the new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down and your
mails are returned, information will be posted at

http://www.maphist.nl/index.html

Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).

I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was
operational, but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the
geo-server (I hope this message will be distributed).


Peter






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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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On 12/7/2011 4:32 AM, John Day wrote:

It is interesting that you
believe that a listserv is
"too outdated" and old
fashioned.


and


For convenience and ease of
use and creating a sense of
commumity, I have found
nothing better.


As is often the case, I agree with John.


I also agree with Virginia:


As far as other alternatives,
I'd suggest google groups rather
than yahoo groups


I, personally, won't join anything having to do with Yahoo.


I do understand Joel's plea that we give things a chance:

> The plans that have been made,
> with consideration of many
> factors involved, should be
> given a chance to work.

But I'm not interested in the more fashionable discussion fora, so I 
guess I will soon be leaving the MapHist community. :(



Deborah
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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There are two options. One is indeed to move to 
the yahoo groups, the other one is: I have two 
servers, if someone knows how to install a 
listserv I am happy to host it, on the other hand 
I don't have eternal life either so yahoo might 
be the best option and setting it up is easy, anybody can be the moderator.



At 06:54 ¿ÀÀü 2011-12-08, you wrote:
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I join those lamenting the coming demise of 
MapHist - could someone else take it over? Like 
others, I rarely visit fora, but am a regular peruser of the map listserv.

Best Wishes,
Dee,
not a technie, so likely shouldn't comment
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> with cartographers.
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:31 PM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:

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> Dear all
>
> I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
> The list runs on a server of the Faculty of 
Geosciences of the University of Utrecht. 
Because of reorganisation and centralisation, 
this server will be closed down very soon - and 
since it is a very old computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
> On the new server, the program Mailman (or 
any other listserv program) will not be installed

>
> With a small group I have discussed the 
future of Maphist and we decided that a 
listserv is too outdated to search for a new 
host. Maphist will continue as the Maphist 
Forum. We have already a host. However it will 
take some weeks before it is running.

>
> Thus, continue discussing on this listserv 
until you get a message that the new forum is 
operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down 
and your mails are returned, information will be posted at

>
> http://www.maphist.nl/index.html
>
> Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).
>
> I intented to send this message to the list 
as the new forum was operational, but I noticed 
this morning that I couldn't reach the 
geo-server (I hope this message will be distributed).

>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
> YYY
> Dr Peter van der Krogt
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> Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht
> P.O. Box 80.115
> 3508 TC  UTRECHT, The Netherlands
> e-mail: p.c.j.vanderkr...@uu.nl
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>
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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I join those lamenting the coming demise of MapHist - could someone else take 
it over? Like others, I rarely visit fora, but am a regular peruser of the map 
listserv.
Best Wishes,
Dee,
not a technie, so likely shouldn't comment
Dee Longenbaugh
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Juneau, Alaska, 99801
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> with cartographers.
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:31 PM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:

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> Dear all
> 
> I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
> The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the University of 
> Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation, this server will be 
> closed down very soon - and since it is a very old computer, it maybe even 
> breaks down earlier.
> On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv program) will 
> not be installed
> 
> With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we decided that 
> a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host. Maphist will continue as 
> the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. However it will take some weeks 
> before it is running.
> 
> Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message that the 
> new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down and your mails are 
> returned, information will be posted at
> 
> http://www.maphist.nl/index.html
> 
> Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).
> 
> I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was operational, 
> but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the geo-server (I hope this 
> message will be distributed).
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> YYY
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> Map Historian, Explokart Research Program
> Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht
> P.O. Box 80.115
> 3508 TC  UTRECHT, The Netherlands
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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If it is a "closed" forum, it should be
  worthwhile (personally I prefer the present format).
  If it is an open one, I doubt if I will take the time to look at
  it since every "open" forum 
  that I have seen has quickly filled with trash. 
  
  Duane Marble

On 12/7/2011 12:23 PM, Peter van der Krogt wrote:
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  Dear all
  
  
  My message of this morning was not meant to open a discussion.
  
  Sorry for all your ideas, but the decision has been made allready
  - and there is already a host. I will stay general administrator
  or how that is called.
  
  
  When I heard it a few weeks ago from our computer people that the
  listserv would end, I decided NOT to have an open discussion with
  over 1,000 Maphist subscribers, because that would be endless.
  
  
  I remember when I took over about 10 years ago and I changed the
  list from an open list (everybody could post, even
  non-subscribers) into a 'closed' list (only subscribers can post),
  there was a discussion about changing the list into a forum - (and
  now the list will changed into a forum, subscribers want it to
  stay a listserv :-) )
  
  
  The problems this morning was not the geo-server, but the
  university-server.
  
  
  Peter
  
  


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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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Dear all

My message of this morning was not meant to open a discussion.
Sorry for all your ideas, but the decision has been made allready - 
and there is already a host. I will stay general administrator or how 
that is called.


When I heard it a few weeks ago from our computer people that the 
listserv would end, I decided NOT to have an open discussion with 
over 1,000 Maphist subscribers, because that would be endless.


I remember when I took over about 10 years ago and I changed the list 
from an open list (everybody could post, even non-subscribers) into a 
'closed' list (only subscribers can post), there was a discussion 
about changing the list into a forum - (and now the list will changed 
into a forum, subscribers want it to stay a listserv :-) )


The problems this morning was not the geo-server, but the university-server.

Peter


At 09:31 7-12-2011, you wrote:
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Dear all

I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the
University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation,
this server will be closed down very soon - and since it is a very
old computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv
program) will not be installed

With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we
decided that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host.
Maphist will continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host.
However it will take some weeks before it is running.

Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message
that the new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down
and your mails are returned, information will be posted at

http://www.maphist.nl/index.html

Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).

I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was
operational, but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the
geo-server (I hope this message will be distributed).


Peter






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RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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Excellent idea. When I knew about ISHM listserv, a couple of days ago, it
crossed my mind that it might be redundant.

 

Joaquim Gaspar

 

De: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] Em nome de
Douglas Sims
Enviada: quarta-feira, 7 de Dezembro de 2011 19:06
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In my post of several minutes back, I put in a plea that someone step forth
and take over Maphist.  There may in fact be such a possibility at hand.  I
hope that my old friend Zsolt Torok will not object to my bringing up the
following.

I refer the reader to Zsolt's Maphist posting of 12/5/11.  He, and some
others have founded a new cartohistorians organization, ISHM (International
Society for the History of the Map), and this new society includes a mailing
list, as I take it, a listserv(?).  Open his 12/5/11 post, click on
ishm.elte.hu, then click "ACTIVITIES', then click "ISHM Mailing List", then
click "this webpage".

I am wondering:  Might Zsolt be willing to turn this new listserv into the
continuation of Maphist?

I don't even know if this is possible, and I hope that I am not oversteping
my prerogatives or exceeding acceptable initiative here, but in the present
circumstances, it seemed to me that it would be good for members to be aware
of this development.

Doug

 

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[Douglas Sims]

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In my post of several minutes back, I put in a plea that someone step forth and 
take over Maphist.  There may in fact be such a possibility at hand.  I hope 
that my old friend Zsolt Torok will not object to my bringing up the following.

I refer the reader to Zsolt's Maphist posting of 12/5/11.  He, and some others 
have founded a new cartohistorians organization, ISHM (International Society 
for the History of the Map), and this new society includes a mailing list, as I 
take it, a listserv(?).  Open his 12/5/11 post, click on ishm.elte.hu, then 
click "ACTIVITIES', then click "ISHM Mailing List", then click "this webpage".

I am wondering:  Might Zsolt be willing to turn this new listserv into the 
continuation of Maphist?

I don't even know if this is possible, and I hope that I am not oversteping my 
prerogatives or exceeding acceptable initiative here, but in the present 
circumstances, it seemed to me that it would be good for members to be aware of 
this development.

Doug

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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Douglas Sims]

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The end of Maphist?  I heartily agree with the posts of  Day, Depuydt, 
Kovarsky, Suter, Shaw, et al.  True, it's not so grave as the fall of Rome, but 
that was a long time ago, and being thus abstract to me, it doesn't concern 
me.  Not so with Maphist.  It was established in 1994 by David Cobb, with the 
collaboration of Ed Dahl and David Woodward, and has always been in the 
forefront of listservs in general, and has been a bright beacon, and often a 
helpful one, to me, since 1997, when I joined.  (For the member who would like 
a full early history of the list, Ed Dahl has written such, and it can be found 
at:  www.maphistory.info/, where click "Discussion lists", then click Maphist 
"HOMEPAGE", then click "The Hist of Maphist.").

I am among those (There must be many of us) who feel that the present state of 
the cyberworld is one of mayhem, and, especially, overload.  Too much new 
stuff, too fast, too unnecessary.  I personally lack the time and inclination 
to keep up with it all.  Maphist as it is offers extraordinary flexibility, 
spontaneity, and accessibility.  I would much like to see it stay, just as it 
is.

But then we run into realities (aren't they awful?), and we find ourselves at a 
troublesome pass.  David Cobb found himself in a position where he was unable 
to continue administering the list, and it was kindly and selflessly taken over 
by Peter.  He has done a superb job, but as happened with David, he is no 
longer in a position to operate the list, and surely no one will gainsay that 
it is indeed a time-consuming responsibility.  If Peter must go, then so it is, 
and we can only offer him kudos for his lengthy period of sentry duty.  But 
what next?

It seems we are in the position of the folks in Hawthorne's "Gray Champion".  
As John Day has pointed out, discussion lists are far from being on the way 
out.  Other fora simply don't come up to it.  So, if possible, let's keep it.  
All we need is the grey champion (He doesn't really need to be gray).  Who will 
step forth, and take up the post?  Is there no one?  I admit, I cannot help 
here, unfortunately.  I haven't access to the powerful computers needed, and 
know nothing about the techie side of it all if I did.  But can someone?  If we 
must settle for an alternative, the observations of Helen Glazer, but together 
with the admonitions of Virginia R. Hetrick, seem the best alternative.  But 
best would be a new sentry, and keeping things as they are.  The mad rush for 
the new, the new, the new is out of place here.  Nothing new can adequately and 
fully replace the old in our case, in my opinion.

Who has the means and the inclination to step forth and save us?  The 
responsibility offers no tangible remuneration, but the gratitude of many 
hundreds (could it be over a thousand, by now?) is surely worth something.  Let 
us avoid the whirlwind of purported cyber-progress and stay where we are, if we 
can.  Any takers?


Doug
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Virginia R Hetrick PhD]

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Hi, Peter -

While I understand the reasons that you're giving up the listserve
notion, a huge point about listservers is that they are what's called
"push" technology, i.e., they do not require any action on the part of
the recipient/member to find out what's going on.  Nor does it require
any special software or skills on the part of the recipient/member, it
works by email as far as the recipient member is concerned.

I have been a member of listserves since summer of 1977 and have run
listserv lists since 1978.  I have not found ANY other technology that
is so easy to fit into the scattered lives that so many people live
these days.  For instance, it's about 8:30 Wednesday morning here, so
since about 4:30am, I've been my overnights before I get started on
the rest of my day.  Why it takes so long is that some of the emails
require quite complex replies.  But, this email (though not requiring
a complex reply) is just about at the end of my overnights.

As far as other alternatives, I'd suggest google groups rather than
yahoo groups because the history with yahoo groups is exactly that.
Anybody who's ever been denied membership in a yahoo group seems to be
on some kind of banned list such that, even after 11 years, the ban is
still in effect.  For that reason, if you decide to go with one or the
other, google groups makes more sense.

If you would like to contact me privately about this, please use my
email address that I use to send this email to the list.

Thanks for listening to my input.

v
-- 

Virginia R. Hetrick, here in sunny California
Email:  drju...@uw.edu
"There is always hope."
My fave:  http://www.washington.edu/cambots/camera1_l.gif
There's no place like:  34N 8' 25.40", 117W 58' 5.36"
if you can't be at:  48N 6' 59.9" 122W 59' 54.2"

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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Bobbie Williams]

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I agree with Helen concerning using Yahoo! Groups.  I have run a group on
Yahoo for over 10 years and other than a few spammers now and then I
haven't had any problems with the software.  I'd like to add that the
service is free and in addition to the benefits that Helen listed, there is
also a chat room.  My group uses the chat room on a regular basis and we
haven't had any problems.

Bobbie Williams
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Helen Glazer wrote:

> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to
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> Let me put in a good word for Yahoogroups since many people have responded
> saying they would like to keep receiving Maphist messages via email.
>
> I have been the moderator for a discussion list on Yahoogroups for several
> years. It is free of charge. To sign up for the list traditionally you had
> to register a Yahoo ID (a simple process) but now I see you can sign in via
> a Google ID or Facebook profile if you pre
>
> I have found the service to work well.  A few years ago there was a problem
> with spammers constantly trying to get through, but Yahoo has made a number
> of improvements so that we very seldom have that anymore -- off the top of
> my head I'd say it's down to once or twice a year.  In addition, there is a
> folder to which members can upload photos, and it is very easy to search
> old
> messages if you want to look up a previous post.  There are other features
> that people here might want to make use of, such as the Calendar (to post
> events such as conferences and programs).  It has the same digest or
> individual message options as this listserv, or you can choose a web-only
> subscription and log in to see messages when you choose.  I can recommend
> Yahoo as an option to consider without reservation.
>
> I have no direct experience with managing a group on Googlegroups but I am
> subscribed to one and it seems to work efficiently as well.
>
> Regards,
> Helen
>
> ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø
> Helen Glazer, Creative Director
> George Glazer Gallery
> http://www.georgeglazer.com
> Antique Globes, Maps & Prints
> ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø
>
>
> On 12/7/11 7:32 AM, "John Day"  wrote:
>
> >
> > For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I
> > have found nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for
> > coordinating cutting edge projects.  Sounds more like, some network
> > administrator is lazy.  There are lots of places such as yahoo groups
> > and google groups where you can set one of these up.
> >
> > Take care,
> > John Day
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Helen Glazer]

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Let me put in a good word for Yahoogroups since many people have responded
saying they would like to keep receiving Maphist messages via email.

I have been the moderator for a discussion list on Yahoogroups for several
years. It is free of charge. To sign up for the list traditionally you had
to register a Yahoo ID (a simple process) but now I see you can sign in via
a Google ID or Facebook profile if you prefer.

I have found the service to work well.  A few years ago there was a problem
with spammers constantly trying to get through, but Yahoo has made a number
of improvements so that we very seldom have that anymore -- off the top of
my head I'd say it's down to once or twice a year.  In addition, there is a
folder to which members can upload photos, and it is very easy to search old
messages if you want to look up a previous post.  There are other features
that people here might want to make use of, such as the Calendar (to post
events such as conferences and programs).  It has the same digest or
individual message options as this listserv, or you can choose a web-only
subscription and log in to see messages when you choose.  I can recommend
Yahoo as an option to consider without reservation.

I have no direct experience with managing a group on Googlegroups but I am
subscribed to one and it seems to work efficiently as well.

Regards,
Helen

ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø ø
Helen Glazer, Creative Director
George Glazer Gallery
http://www.georgeglazer.com
Antique Globes, Maps & Prints
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On 12/7/11 7:32 AM, "John Day"  wrote:

> 
> For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I
> have found nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for
> coordinating cutting edge projects.  Sounds more like, some network
> administrator is lazy.  There are lots of places such as yahoo groups
> and google groups where you can set one of these up.
> 
> Take care,
> John Day


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RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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A personal note:  I just want to thank Dr. van der Krogt for his steadfast
continuation of the list and also all the regular contributors and
volunteers who help make my map interest so enjoyable.

It seems a solution is in process, but there is an article in issue 81 (Fall
2011) of the Portolan entitled immodicus notitia (too much information)
describing the user side of RSS feeds (news aggregators).  The article does
not consider the creator side.   RSS Aggregators basically provide a single
location (in Outlook, Gmail, FeedDemon, etc.) where regularly updated news
from multiple sources can be reviewed and saved, deleted, forwarded, or
otherwise handled.  www.wordpress.com comes to mind as offering blog and RSS
feed "push."  At least I think so!

Whatever solution is eventually chosen, I will certainly continue to visit
and appreciate the work.

Thank you again,

Leigh


-Original Message-
From: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] On Behalf
Of Peter van der Krogt
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:32 AM
To: maphist@geo.uu.nl
Subject: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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Dear all

I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the University of
Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation, this server will be
closed down very soon - and since it is a very old computer, it maybe even
breaks down earlier.
On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv
program) will not be installed

With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we decided
that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host. 
Maphist will continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. 
However it will take some weeks before it is running.

Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message that the
new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down and your mails
are returned, information will be posted at

http://www.maphist.nl/index.html

Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).

I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was
operational, but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the geo-server
(I hope this message will be distributed).


Peter






YYY
Dr Peter van der Krogt
Map Historian, Explokart Research Program Faculty of Geo-sciences,
University of Utrecht P.O. Box 80.115
3508 TC  UTRECHT, The Netherlands
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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Humphrey Southall]

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Although I am a fairly new member of this list, I have been involved in
owning and running a bunch of JISCmail lists over a long period ‹ fourteen
years, I think, for history-gis@jiscmail.

JISCmail is a very well-run system and free so long as you are serving the
UK HE community. Note that the full title of JISC, who fund it, makes them
the "Joint Information Systems Committee " of the higher education funding
councils of the UK. Because of the funding, they have to have some rules
about who the users are, and you have to say that you EXPECT to meet them ‹
but my experience is that these are never enforced provided you look
scholarly, which this list certainly is. You need the approach to be by a UK
academic who would be the initial owner (I am not offering), but if there is
an issue it would probably be about distinguishing this from
lis-m...@jiscmail.ac.uk: not hard, as this list is about cartographic
history while that is a list primarily for map librarians.

Š and agree with all the other people saying that a forum is not a
substitute for a list. Move to JISCmail.

Humphrey

From:  J Lester 
Reply-To:  Discussion group for map history 
Date:  Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:55:15 -0500
To:  Discussion group for map history 
Subject:  Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

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o + o + o + Hi MapHisters,

Although a MapHist Forum, as opposed to a listserv, wouldn't be the worst
thing that could happen, I also prefer the listserv format. There are a
number of potential listserv options, e.g.
http://www.h-net.org/newlist/application.cgi and http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/
, which have various application criteria that must be met. The jiscmail
site mentions a "low cost" option for groups that do not meet their criteria
for the free service (25% of members residing in UK stood out as a potential
roadblock), but I did not see definition of "low cost."  Perhaps those more
knowledgeable on the subject are aware of less restrictive and/or free
options. 

Jay L.
not a techie, not an academic, just a consumer.


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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[J Lester]

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Hi MapHisters,

Although a MapHist Forum, as opposed to a listserv, wouldn't be the worst
thing that could happen, I also prefer the listserv format. There are a
number of potential listserv options, e.g.
http://www.h-net.org/newlist/application.cgi and http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/ ,
which have various application criteria that must be met. The jiscmail site
mentions a "low cost" option for groups that do not meet their criteria for
the free service (25% of members residing in UK stood out as a potential
roadblock), but I did not see definition of "low cost."  Perhaps those more
knowledgeable on the subject are aware of less restrictive and/or free
options.

Jay L.
not a techie, not an academic, just a consumer.


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Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Michael Holt]

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I agree with Mr Day.  I would visit a forum seldom -- I find them 
limiting -- but a list, giving me the freedom to read it when I wish and 
over an entire day without interruption, is a very good device.


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[hillshaw]

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I also agree with this viewpoint.  If someone's too lazy to tick 'delete' 
against all the mailbox subject headings they aren't interested in (after all, 
that's why email has a subject box), they are also probably too lazy to visit a 
forum.

Low-tech often works as good as, or sometimes even better than, hi-tech.  As an 
aside, I find it more accessible / transferable to keep all my web bookmarks, 
email addresses, as text strings in a Word document (and just click 'open 
hyperlink, or copy/paste) than to put these bookmarks on my email / web 
account, and have enormous fun trying to transfer them when my computer needs 
retiring,replacing, or I'm working from another computer (cue, howls from 
techies here).

 

Dr Hillary Shaw
School of Business, Management and Marketing
Harper Adams University College
Newport
Shropshire
TF10 8NB
 

 

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From: Joost Depuydt 
To: Discussion group for map history 
Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:28
Subject: RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist


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Dear Maphisters

I second John Day's view on the use of e-mail.
A Maphist Forum can never reach as many people at the same time as the MapHist 
mailing list did.
Although my own mailbox also gets congested at times, I do prefer a mailing 
list 
above a forum.
It's easier to delete incoming mails (I'm not interested in) than to force 
myself to visit a forum regularly.

I just came across the following article: 8 social media trends for 2012
http://www.ragan.com/Main/Articles/44045.aspx

Rule no. 5 is appropriate to this discussion:
5. Email marketing. As much as I would love email to be dead, something like 
107 
trillion emails were sent in 2010. It's not going anywhere, yet most of us (as 
marketers) have forgotten about it. It's not the new, shiny penny and it's kind 
of old and stodgy (I think I read it's celebrating its 40th birthday). But it's 
still really effective. Everyone uses email. Not everyone uses social networks 
yet. 

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at other possible ways to communicate 
in addition to a mailing list. The MAPS-L mailing list had a similar discussion 
about starting a Facebook group. Most people wanted to stick to a mailing list. 
They finally did start a FB group, but it was in addition to the (still 
existing) mailing list.

Best regards

Joost

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Van: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] Namens John 
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Verzonden: woensdag 7 december 2011 13:32
Aan: Discussion group for map history
Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the 
whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 
o + o + 

That is too bad.

It is interesting that you believe that a listserv is "too outdated" 
and old fashioned.  The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the group that 
develops many of the technical solutions that keeps the Net running, seems to 
have a different point of view.  They are running 100s of mailing lists and 
show 
no signs of giving them up.

For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I have found 
nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for coordinating cutting edge 
projects.  Sounds more like, some network administrator is lazy.  There are 
lots 
of plac

Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[monet...@aol.com]

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I third this. The only thing I would add is that for subjects involving graphic 
and visual topics, it is too bad there is not also a site connected to Maphist 
which easily can display uploaded visuals to serve as reference during the 
frequent discussions about comparative graphics, evolution of mapping , 
historic/modern map relationships, etc.


David Suter
(artist)





  



-Original Message-
From: Joost Depuydt 
To: Discussion group for map history 
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 3:28 am
Subject: RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist


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Dear Maphisters

I second John Day's view on the use of e-mail.
A Maphist Forum can never reach as many people at the same time as the MapHist 
mailing list did.
Although my own mailbox also gets congested at times, I do prefer a mailing 
list 
above a forum.
It's easier to delete incoming mails (I'm not interested in) than to force 
myself to visit a forum regularly.

I just came across the following article: 8 social media trends for 2012
http://www.ragan.com/Main/Articles/44045.aspx

Rule no. 5 is appropriate to this discussion:
5. Email marketing. As much as I would love email to be dead, something like 
107 
trillion emails were sent in 2010. It's not going anywhere, yet most of us (as 
marketers) have forgotten about it. It's not the new, shiny penny and it's kind 
of old and stodgy (I think I read it's celebrating its 40th birthday). But it's 
still really effective. Everyone uses email. Not everyone uses social networks 
yet. 

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at other possible ways to communicate 
in addition to a mailing list. The MAPS-L mailing list had a similar discussion 
about starting a Facebook group. Most people wanted to stick to a mailing list. 
They finally did start a FB group, but it was in addition to the (still 
existing) mailing list.

Best regards

Joost

Joost Depuydt | consulent wetenschappelijk werk
Stad Antwerpen | FelixArchief
Oudeleeuwenrui 29 | 2000 Antwerpen
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bericht, noch voor verlies, ongemak of directe dan wel indirecte schade geleden 
ten gevolge van het gebruik van in deze e-mail voorkomende incorrecte informatie

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] Namens John 
Day
Verzonden: woensdag 7 december 2011 13:32
Aan: Discussion group for map history
Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the 
whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 
o + o + 

That is too bad.

It is interesting that you believe that a listserv is "too outdated" 
and old fashioned.  The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the group that 
develops many of the technical solutions that keeps the Net running, seems to 
have a different point of view.  They are running 100s of mailing lists and 
show 
no signs of giving them up.

For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I have found 
nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for coordinating cutting edge 
projects.  Sounds more like, some network administrator is lazy.  There are 
lots 
of places such as yahoo groups and google groups where you can set one of these 
up.

Take care,
John Day

>This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to 
>the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 
>o + o + o + o + o + Dear all
>
>I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
>The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the 
>University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and c

Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Joel Kovarsky]

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On 12/7/2011 8:17 AM, Joost Depuydt wrote:

I second John Day's view on the use of e-mail.
A Maphist Forum can never reach as many people at the same time as the MapHist 
mailing list did.
Although my own mailbox also gets congested at times, I do prefer a mailing 
list above a forum.
It's easier to delete incoming mails (I'm not interested in) than to force 
myself to visit a forum regularly.


Here is one online discussion of some of the issues, and the concerns 
about dropping a listserv: 
http://info.socious.com/bid/28209/Online-Community-SmackDown-Forums-vs-Listservs 
. While somewhat focused on a marketing perspective, that view should 
not be lost in the considerations for MapHist. The listserv's 
spontaneity is a value for many. From the article:


   Important data from the latest Marketing General Association
   Benchmarking Report
   
   reveals that, despite all of the new tools, sites and functionality
   available to members and associations today, association executives
   still view listservs as providing the most value.


   Joel Kovarsky

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RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Joost Depuydt]

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the 
whole list)
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Dear Maphisters

I second John Day's view on the use of e-mail.
A Maphist Forum can never reach as many people at the same time as the MapHist 
mailing list did.
Although my own mailbox also gets congested at times, I do prefer a mailing 
list above a forum.
It's easier to delete incoming mails (I'm not interested in) than to force 
myself to visit a forum regularly.

I just came across the following article: 8 social media trends for 2012
http://www.ragan.com/Main/Articles/44045.aspx

Rule no. 5 is appropriate to this discussion:
5. Email marketing. As much as I would love email to be dead, something like 
107 trillion emails were sent in 2010. It's not going anywhere, yet most of us 
(as marketers) have forgotten about it. It's not the new, shiny penny and it's 
kind of old and stodgy (I think I read it's celebrating its 40th birthday). But 
it's still really effective. Everyone uses email. Not everyone uses social 
networks yet. 

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at other possible ways to communicate 
in addition to a mailing list. The MAPS-L mailing list had a similar discussion 
about starting a Facebook group. Most people wanted to stick to a mailing list. 
They finally did start a FB group, but it was in addition to the (still 
existing) mailing list.

Best regards

Joost

Joost Depuydt | consulent wetenschappelijk werk
Stad Antwerpen | FelixArchief
Oudeleeuwenrui 29 | 2000 Antwerpen
tel + 32 3 338 94 59 | fax +32 3 338 94 10 
stadsarch...@stad.antwerpen.be | joost.depu...@stad.antwerpen.be
www.antwerpen.be | www.felixarchief.be

www.facebook.com/felixarchief
www.geschiedenisvanantwerpen.be

't Stad is van iedereen.

***Disclaimer***

Dit e-mailbestand, met inbegrip van zijn eventuele bijlagen, is een officieel 
document van de Stad Antwerpen. Het kan vertrouwelijke of persoonlijke 
informatie bevatten. Als u deze boodschap per vergissing hebt ontvangen, 
verzoeken wij u om de afzender daarvan onmiddellijk per e-mail of telefoon op 
de hoogte te stellen en ze vervolgens van uw computer te verwijderen zonder de 
inhoud ervan eerst te lezen, te vermenigvuldigen, te verspreiden of op andere 
wijze openbaar te maken aan derden. De Stad Antwerpen kan op geen enkele manier 
aansprakelijk worden gesteld voor mogelijke fouten of onnauwkeurigheden in dit 
bericht, noch voor verlies, ongemak of directe dan wel indirecte schade geleden 
ten gevolge van het gebruik van in deze e-mail voorkomende incorrecte informatie

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] Namens John 
Day
Verzonden: woensdag 7 december 2011 13:32
Aan: Discussion group for map history
Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the 
whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 
o + o + 

That is too bad.

It is interesting that you believe that a listserv is "too outdated" 
and old fashioned.  The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the group that 
develops many of the technical solutions that keeps the Net running, seems to 
have a different point of view.  They are running 100s of mailing lists and 
show no signs of giving them up.

For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I have found 
nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for coordinating cutting edge 
projects.  Sounds more like, some network administrator is lazy.  There are 
lots of places such as yahoo groups and google groups where you can set one of 
these up.

Take care,
John Day

>This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to 
>the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 
>o + o + o + o + o + Dear all
>
>I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
>The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the 
>University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation, 
>this server will be closed down very soon - and since it is a very old 
>computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
>On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv
>program) will not be installed
>
>With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we 
>decided that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host.
>Maphist will continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. 
>However it will take some weeks before it is running.
>
>Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message that 
>the new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down and your 
>mails are returned, information will be posted at
>
>h

Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[John Day]

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the 
whole list)
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That is too bad.

It is interesting that you believe that a listserv is "too outdated" 
and old fashioned.  The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the 
group that develops many of the technical solutions that keeps the 
Net running, seems to have a different point of view.  They are 
running 100s of mailing lists and show no signs of giving them up.


For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I 
have found nothing better.  We operate several ourselves for 
coordinating cutting edge projects.  Sounds more like, some network 
administrator is lazy.  There are lots of places such as yahoo groups 
and google groups where you can set one of these up.


Take care,
John Day

This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying 
to the whole list)

o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o +
Dear all

I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the 
University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation, 
this server will be closed down very soon - and since it is a very 
old computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv 
program) will not be installed


With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we 
decided that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host. 
Maphist will continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. 
However it will take some weeks before it is running.


Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message 
that the new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down 
and your mails are returned, information will be posted at


http://www.maphist.nl/index.html

Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).

I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was 
operational, but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the 
geo-server (I hope this message will be distributed).



Peter






YYY
Dr Peter van der Krogt
Map Historian, Explokart Research Program
Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht
P.O. Box 80.115
3508 TC  UTRECHT, The Netherlands
e-mail: p.c.j.vanderkr...@uu.nl
Homepage: 
MapHist: 
Private websites: 

YYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA 
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[MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist

[Peter van der Krogt]

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Dear all

I am sorry to tell you, but very soon Maphist will end as listserv.
The list runs on a server of the Faculty of Geosciences of the 
University of Utrecht. Because of reorganisation and centralisation, 
this server will be closed down very soon - and since it is a very 
old computer, it maybe even breaks down earlier.
On the new server, the program Mailman (or any other listserv 
program) will not be installed


With a small group I have discussed the future of Maphist and we 
decided that a listserv is too outdated to search for a new host. 
Maphist will continue as the Maphist Forum. We have already a host. 
However it will take some weeks before it is running.


Thus, continue discussing on this listserv until you get a message 
that the new forum is operational, or, if the geoserver breaks down 
and your mails are returned, information will be posted at


http://www.maphist.nl/index.html

Please, make a note of this address. (at this moment nothing news there).

I intented to send this message to the list as the new forum was 
operational, but I noticed this morning that I couldn't reach the 
geo-server (I hope this message will be distributed).



Peter






YYY
Dr Peter van der Krogt
Map Historian, Explokart Research Program
Faculty of Geo-sciences, University of Utrecht
P.O. Box 80.115
3508 TC  UTRECHT, The Netherlands
e-mail: p.c.j.vanderkr...@uu.nl
Homepage: 
MapHist: 
Private websites: 

YYY PER ANGUSTA AD AUGUSTA  


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