Re: [MapHist] Gdansk · Danzig
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I have a copy (unfoprtunately not the original, I only wish it was!), of 'Danzig - from Homanns Srtadt Atlas, 1739, can scan and send if you want - shows the city as under seige from the Russians in 1734 Hillary Dear all, I am currently supervising a doctoral thesis in urban planning and I need some help on historical maps and images of Gdańsk · Danzig up to WWII; any contribution will be very much appreciated: - websites - public and private collections - books vladimiro ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Smallest world map ever
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Amazing achievement - at this scale the Sun would be 16 cm away - but the nearest star would still be 30 kilometres distant, its light travelling at a leisurely 2 centimetres a minute. Hillary Shaw Newport Shropshire -Original Message- From: Ovidiu Sandor ovi...@nada.kth.se To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:22 Subject: [MapHist] Smallest world map ever This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + This might be of interest to the list: http://gizmodo.com/5444610/the-smallest-world-map-in-the-planet Kind regards, Ovidiu ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist = ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Use of maps as / in shapes / symbols
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + www.boemerangutrecht.nl/.../Schoolplan%20De%20Boemerang%202009-2013.doc Google 'Boemerang Utrecht' and you should get this document in abouth 5th place on Google - its a school in Utrecht. It has an interesting use of a map on the side of the school building facing Amandelstraat - use Google Streetview,on Google Maps - its a section of the streetplan of Utrecht cut out into a boomerang shape. I wonder what role the map actually plays here - not the customary one of direction-finding or location, as a section of map cut this way is useless for that, and anyway by the time you see this symbol you know where you are / the school is anyway. So is this in fact an 'anti-map', a map that cannot be used as a map? Or am I missing the real use here, maybe it is 'map as branding', although its the boomerang SHAPE that is the real brand here, not the map itself. Anyone else come across a map that could be described as an 'anti-map'? Is this in fact a map, it looks like one but isn't, really. What do other lsit members think? Regards, Hillary Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] where to buy maps in Utrecht?
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + OK, a bit OT, but can anyone recommend a good map shop in Utrecht - I am looking for some detailed street maps of both Utrecht and its surrounding countryside out to about 15 km aroiund, something like the Ordnance Survey 1:25,000 in Britain / IGN in France; anyone got the name and address of such a shop in Utrecht, Many thanks, Hillary ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Netherlands maps
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Many thanks to all those who replied on where to buy maps in Utrecht. In the event the Selexyz Broese shop, near the town hall, was better than the Interglobe, the latter had a shop attendant rather less familiar with maps than the Selexyz did. For info for non-Dutch members, many towns have an ANWB shop on the edge of centre, selling maps. For older maps, maybe worth noting that the small town of Leusden, just south of Amersfoort, last year reinstated its annual book, maps, art market - just held this year's on 18 September so could be worth going to next year, it had a lot of stalls right through the Winkelcentrum. The Emmaus charity shops also often have some maps of The Netherlands, ca. 1980, not so old but interesting for towns like Utrecht that have grown extremely rapidly, whole new suburbs like Terwijde being laid out since then. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Need help with ancient map of Normandy and the Neustrian site of Abilant
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + The double shoreline is likely tobe a tidal area. Below the word 'Ambibari' on your map is what corresponds to Cape Carteret on the mopdern 1:100,000 map no 6 IGN. South of here are sand / mud flats, and you have the Les Ecrehou rocks, sand banks to the west. Not as extensive as on your map, perhaps there has been some changes to the land since then. Your map could be derived from a copy of maybe the early 1700s, and isostatic subsidence could have taken the land down maybe 30 - 40 cm since then. Add that to erosion;this is a coastline of both subsidence and erosion, and you have a bsis for the differences between your map and the modern one. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Christopher Haviland geneal...@havilands.org To: maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:32 Subject: [MapHist] Need help with ancient map of Normandy and the Neustrian site of Abilant This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Hi everyone, I’m not at all an expert, or even a scholar, on ancient maps or cartography. It’s precisely this reason why I need your help. I have some questions about this old map: http://havilands.org/1792map-300dpi.jpg Because of the images I need to display in order to present my inquiry, I would like to direct you to this temporary web page: http://havilands.org/QuestForAbilant/index.html Due to image sizes etc it was easier to style my question there. In summary I have a 2-part question: 1) what was the purpose of this map, which was apparently from 1792 but shows places that I believe were gone or renamed by that time, and 2) why does it depict a double-shoreline. (Tidal?) Any additional notes or intel about this map would be useful for my research. Many thanks! --Chris __ Christopher Sirmons Haviland The Haviland Genealogical Organization Genealogy, Heraldry, History and Research on the Haviland Family Surname and Descendants of Thomas, Sieur de Haveilland, Jurat of Guernsey (1470) http://havilands.org ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist A comparison with the modern IGN Top 100 map no 6 (1:100,000) suggests that the double shoreline is indeed a tidal area. Below the word 'Ambibari'is Cape Carteret; south of here the modern map shows extensive tidal areas, and the offshore banks of Les Ecrehou are there. ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] recent cartograms
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + For UK members, two nice cartograms out today 1) The Times, (main section), p.21, map of Red Sea as Middle east protester 2) The Economist, front cover, US states, but slightly0altered names Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Atlases
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I've often wondered 'what is a map'? What is its maximum scale? Of course there's the story of the 1:1 map, but can we go larger still? A map of an animal cell might be on a scale of 1:1,000,000 - a map of an atom could be one trillion : one. Maps of atoms probably represent the max scale possible, as 'objects' like electrons, quarks, anything smaller than atoms, don't really have mappable properties such as edges, areas, definable positions. As for text - can a photo be a map? A child's sketch diagram of her/his route to school? If Beck's tube diagram is a map, then a photo is also, as it represents on paper some kind of spatial relationshiop between objects at a certain point in time. As for text in maps... This is an odd sort of map of the island we refer to as the Isle of Wight Key, s = Newport, f = Ventnor, a = Yarmouth Or is it..?? Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: J. B. Post jbpo...@verizon.net To: maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:17 Subject: [MapHist] Atlases This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Between sessions of being snowbound, I got outtoday and dropped in at the local Barnes Noble bookstore. On a “bargain”table were stacks of several titles called with the general title “HistoricalAtlas of …” with such subjects as Native Americans, Judaism, theCeltic world, and various wars. A cursory glance showed them to be moretext than maps, raising again whether we can really consider thematlases. True, the atlases produced by Derek Hayes have a lot of text inthem, but in Hayes’ works, the maps are always central however fulsome thetext. In these atlases produced by Chartwell, I have the feeling themaps, however many there are, are more illustrations than the main focus. This is just my personal feeling, as is my desire to call such works “quasi-atlases.” The balance between text and map isn’t so much any sort of ratio as muchas the nature of the text and whether the maps support the text or the textsupports the maps. JBP ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Google Streetview - any repeat surveys?
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Does anyone know if Google Streetview ever intends to repeat its pan-street photographs (for the UK, images captured in 2009 or 2010). Obviously a bigger undertaking than Google Earth satellites simply recapturing images from space, but the street images will soon be getting a bit 'dated'. A clock button as in Google Earth would make a fascinating geographical tool. I tried to contact Google on this but their email is quite elusive, and their question forum wasn't too helpful on this either - anyone know Google's 'contact me' address? Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Japan's Reshaped Coastline as Seen From Space
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Interesting - I was expecting the Japanese land mass to have got bigger as the result of tjis quake. After all the tremor was the result of the Pacific plate diving iunder, and forcing up, the Japanese plate. Maybe when the floods have receded we'll see the longer term changes. This is a link to some changes visible on Google Earth over the past decade or so http://www.fooddeserts.org/images/GoogleEarth.htm Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Deborah Taylor-Pearce d...@she-philosopher.com To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:31 Subject: [MapHist] Japan's Reshaped Coastline as Seen From Space This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Posted today to the _PBS NewsHour_ blog, The Rundown: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/03/nasa-images-of-japan.html Deborah _ Deborah Taylor-Pearce d...@she-philosopher.com ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Belgian 1;40,000 map scales
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I have a selection of medium scale sheet maps from various countries, analogous to the UK's O/Smaps at 1;50,000, 1;25,000. Almost all these sheet maps are at 'conventional' scales - 1;100,000, 1;50,000, 1;25,000. Except for a couple of Belgian maps - Anvers 1893, and Bruges and S E, 1913, both at 1;40,000. Anyone know why Belgium alone chose this unusual scale, or do I just need to get out to more 2nd hand map shops? Hillary Shaw Newport Shropshire = ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Belgian 1;40,000 map scales
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Hi George, They look Belgian - the inscription at the bottom of the Anvers one says Leve et nivele en 1863...Redige et grave in 1889...Equidistance de 5 metres Revu sur le terrain en 1879 et 1892 Zincographie a l'Institut cartographique militaire, octobre 1893 Also mise a jour en 1892-1894 and Grave par J B De La hoese, J Ongers, F Deraedemacker et V Labarge It has a small blue sticker on the basck indicating it's no.15 in a series. Another odd feature is its folding, with the key, scale, folded off at the bottom (it doesn't look like its bene re-folded. Odder still,it has no boundary on any but the south...the map goes all the way to the edge of the paper (as if some of the map is missing...but the blue sticker indicates all the map is there). The Bruges map (no.13) has the dame features, slightly different years. The Bruges map includes a small;portion of 'Pays Bas' - greyed out and de-coloured. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: George Carhart gcarh...@earthlink.net To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:53 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Belgian 1;40,000 map scales This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Hi Hillary, Just one quick question: as Joost notes in his list of Belgian maps there are no 1:40,000 maps, are you certain that your two maps are of Begian origin? The German army had 1:40,000 topographic maps of Belgium in 1940 and may also have had similar maps in 1914. I do not know the origin of the German maps, but the German 1:200,000 Army General Staff maps for France from 1940, have a grid that indicates that they had a 1:40,000 map series for Belgium and a 1:80,000 map series for France. I hope that this is of some help. George Dr.phil. George S. Carhart -Original Message- From: hills...@aol.com Sent: Apr 28, 2011 3:34 PM To: maphist@geo.uu.nl Subject: [MapHist] Belgian 1;40,000 map scales I have a selection of medium scale sheet maps from various countries, analogous to the UK's O/Smaps at 1;50,000, 1;25,000. Almost all these sheet maps are at 'conventional' scales - 1;100,000, 1;50,000, 1;25,000. Except for a couple of Belgian maps - Anvers 1893, and Bruges and S E, 1913, both at 1;40,000. Anyone know why Belgium alone chose this unusual scale, or do I just need to get out to more 2nd hand map shops? Hillary Shaw Newport Shropshire Dr.phil. George S. Carhart ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] FW: People believe subway maps over reality [Wash. Post]
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I have heard similar stories of mis-interpretaing real space due to maps. My favourite is the story of 19th century 'negotiations' between an up-coming Russia and a declining Ottoman Turkey in which Russia demanded the cession by O-Turkey of the province of Abkhazia. The Turkish delegates who had been summoned to the Czar's palace had little idea of their empire, where Abkhazia was or how big a loss it would represent to O-Turkey. It's actually 8,600 sq kilometers, or 40% of a Wales for those who prefer more traditional area measurements. However there was a map of Abkhazia hanging on the Czar's palace walls, alongside a similalrly-sized map of the palace gardens - no scale to either map, although the latter was probably at a somewhat larger scale. Based on these 2 maps the Ottoman delegation concluded they were ceding an insignificant piece of territory. I've also read that the Metropolitan Railway, busy on the 1920s extending the London Underground out into rural Middlesex, promoted the Beck map heavily over more topographically-accurate maps for this very reason, because it made the commute from outer N W London look much shorter than in reality. Map names can also be made intentionally 'misleading' - in W W One, UK newspaper maps of the front lines in France included places like Agincourt and Crecy - places totally irrelevant to the 1914 armies, but significant (to a more historically-literate generation) in UK-France history, so as to stir up feelings of patriotism. Then we have the tales of UK holidaymakers going to Spain who had no idea where they'd been, what direction Spain was from the UK, 'because they'd flown', with no map to relate to. Or the foreign visitors to London who, having got a taxi to their hotel several miles out, then get a bus - any bus that comes - to the city centre. Then, when time to return to the hotel, they realise they've neglected to note the route number they came in on. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: J. B. Post jbpo...@verizon.net To: maphist maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:16 Subject: [MapHist] FW: People believe subway maps over reality [Wash. Post] This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + -Original Message- From: Andrew Porter [mailto:aporte...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:11 AM To: 3...@yahoogroups.com Subject: People believe subway maps over reality [Wash. Post] People believe subway maps over reality By David Alpert Maps matter. Metro’s and London’s transit maps present distorted geographies in order to make the system’s organization clearer. They have become iconic, but the way they present distances shapes people’s understanding of space and distance in their region. An NYU study found that distances on such maps affect people’s travel choices much more than actual distances. Riders on the London Tube who had choices between multiple transfers were twice as likely to take the route that was shorter on the map but longer in real life. Even people who ride every weekday did this. This reinforces an important idea we’ve discussed before: The map forms people’s views of a city. To many people, the Metro map is the mental image of DC and the surrounding area. Geographic distortions may be appropriate to help a map be simpler, but designers should consider carefully the effect of each such change. [Continue reading David Alpert’s post at Greater Greater Washington.] David Alpert is founder and editor of Greater Greater Washington. The Local Blog Network is a group of bloggers from around the D.C. region who have agreed to make regular contributions to All Opinions Are Local. By David Alpert | 03:33 PM ET, 05/18/2011 ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of
Re: [MapHist] Looking for a map with a specific kind of reliability diagram
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Many thanks for this - I'd never really (had to) think about magnetic declination, not being a hiker, other than being aware that in my part of the world, compasses always point a few degrees west of true north. Never though about mag dec as a navigation aid when comparing to true (Pole Star) north. I'm sure the age of satnav has eroded our (Earth-provided) inherent navigation abilities, much as other tech has eroded other abilities, e.g. computers and handwriting. I know many people who aren't even aware that the Sun and a clock make good navigation aids, let alone that the Moon and a clock can be used to do the same at night. It'll be interesting for such people if the power ever goes down. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Eclipse Maps eclipsem...@gmail.com To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:40 Subject: Re: [MapHist] Looking for a map with a specific kind of reliability diagram This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + From the description of your mystery map, the isolines you describe seem to be lines of equal magnetic declination (for converting compass bearings to geographic bearings). If your map is used for navigation in a pre-GPS era, then it's reasonable for such a map to contain these lines. You can easily find magnetic declination maps on the internet. Do your isolines match what's on these maps? I suspect they will. best, Michael Zeiler Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2011, at 2:21 PM, hills...@aol.com wrote: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Some info on this - and also apologies for another query on an earlier topic, anyone help here? First the info. On the 1940s 1:1,000,000 world series map no. N G 41 (Makran), 5th edition, 1944, (1st edn was 1928), covers essentially the border area of Iran/Pakistan, from the Persian Gulf, covers 60 - 66 deg east, 24 - 28 deg N, this map has a RELATIVE RELIABILITY inset map, showing most of the map to be derived from a Reconnaissance Survey 1889 - 1932 ... some small irregular portions to the west are derived from a Rigorous survey 1918-32. This map is part of the series I queried earlier (none of the others have this RELATIVE RELIABILITY inset map), in email in December 2006. Now the new query - having had sight of more of this series, from India to France, they have a strange set of what appear to be concentric lines labelled 12 degrees w, 11, 10 etc through 0 to 3 degrees east - I guess with more maps this series would extend. BUT these lines correspond to no spatial system I can imagine. They certainly aren't long / lat lines, though they 'impersonate' them. Rather the 3 degrees W line goes north-south between Italy and Sicily, swoops round S E I guess across Sudan / Somalia (not seen this) and ends up running East-west across the southern tip of India. The 2 deg east line crosses the eastern tip of Cyprus, running NW to SE, crosses the northern tip of Oman running east-west, then turns to the north east across southern Pakistan. So there's some kind of concentric pattern of these, which I guess would be centred on somewhere in western China, at maybe 10 deg east, and the lines exist at least as far out as one in western France, here running north south, labelled 12 deg west. Furthermore, the line spacing appears to become closer in western Europe (where these lines run N-S), compared to spacing in S Asia, where they run E-W 9and run SW to NE in S E Asia, Thailand etc.. Anyone know how these lines were derived, what they were used for (the maps were, as I was kindly informed by several maphsisters, WW 2 aviators, and from a world series). I can try and scan and send if anyione interested. Once again, many thanks for the replies of January 2007, Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: John Day jeanj...@comcast.net To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:13 Subject: RE: [MapHist] Looking for a map with a specific kind of reliability diagram This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Disclaimer: I have nothing useful to add to thisdiscussion. ;-) Now, let me ask a naive question: Isn't there a
[MapHist] misleading maps, global warming
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039807/New-Times-Atlas-pulped-climate-change-exaggeration-row.html?ITO=1490 The power of maps to mislead.And no-one's mentioned the UNDER estimation of global warming / ice melt that could result if someone in say 2040 takes this map as what Greenland was really like in 2011. Although I'm having trouble spotting any sea level rise at all in a recent image I obtained of Sveti Stefan, a tourist spot on the (slowly tectonically subsiding) Adriatic coast of Croatia, compared with images I have that were published in 1960 (the great thing about Mediterranean coastal images of course is the lack of much tidal range, for this sort of comparison). Maybe the fact that sea level rise doesn't seem to have hit us yet (except in subsidence areas such as the Maldives) is contributing to the difficulty of persuading people of the urgency of global warming. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] personification of Egypt
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Perhaps the idea of Egypt as lust derives from Biblical allegory. In both the Old and New Testaments, Egypt is used not just as a literal place but as an allegory for luxury, shamless luxury, worldy debauchery even. Related to the political position of Egypt as regional superpower, seat of the world's wealth and leisure class, during the times of Moses, before other powers such as Babylonia, Persia, arose. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Göran Bäärnhielm goran.baarnhi...@gmail.com To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:19 Subject: Re: [MapHist] personification of Egypt This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + One variant is at: http://www.labirintoermetico.com/04Iconologia/iconologia_ripa_immagini/imagepages/image253.html Göran Bäärnhielm 2011/9/25 Joel Kovarsky j...@theprimemeridian.com: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I do not know the specific image source, but the image of a woman (Lust?) seated on a crocodile was present in Ripa's 1603 Iconologia. See description from the Spenser Encyclopedia: http://tinyurl.com/3up4fn3. Given the influence of Ripa's work, that is at least one thought. I do not have access to the specific image. Joel Kovarsky On 9/25/2011 8:40 AM, Rehav Rubin wrote: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear Maphist members, In the Hebrew map of the Holy Land printed in Amsterdam 1695 by Bar-Yaacov, a personification of Egypt is symbolized by a woman sitting on a crocodile. Does anyone know earlier versions of this symbol that might be the source of this one? The image is attached. Thanks for any help Rehav Rubin Hebrew University ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist -- ** Göran Bäärnhielm Grindsgatan 35, SE-11857 Stockholm, Sweden Tel. +46-8-6437741, Mobile +46-768-362848 goran.baarnhi...@gmail.com http://goran.baarnhielm.net/ ** ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] railway maps
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Today's Independent', part II, pp.20-21, nice illusttrations of railway maps from various countries - my favourite is the East Bberlin one that manages to eliminate West Berlin whilst still showing the rail lines around it. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/lines-of-beauty-a-collection-of-the-very-best-train-maps-2366020.html Not all the maps are in the URL unfortunately, you'll need the actual newspaper. Hillary Shaw, Newport, Shropshire ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] Philobiblon Monthly Notice October 2011.doc
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + The way we're moving to GPS, mobile-phone maps, satnav etc etc, I'm now making a booking for the event of October 11 2021...'The last Ordnance Survey Map' RIP, sadly missed by all cartophiles Venue, Highgate CemeteryBlack tie compulsory Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: J. B. Post jbpo...@verizon.net To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 0:00 Subject: [MapHist] Philobiblon Monthly Notice October 2011.doc This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Limited seating; sent for information, not as ageneral invitation Philobiblon Club 2011-2012 Thomas M. Whitehead - Secretary -c/o Temple University Libraries - Philadelphia, PA 19122 - Telephone215-204-8230 - Fax 215-204-5201 MONTHLY NOTICE “The First Ordnance Survey Map” Tuesday, October 11, 2011 Roger Hellyer Anillustrated presentation on the first of the one-inch maps of England andWales, which started publication in 1805 (the Survey’s “inch to the mile”series): its development andpublication and its transition into the map that followed it. Attention will be given to features to befound on the map relevant to the speaker’s research as acartobibliographer. Note will be madeof the collection at the University of Pennsylvania in which he will beresearching during this visit from the U.K. Thespeaker is an independent scholar, a member of the Charles Close Society forthe Study of Ordnance Survey Maps and an author extensively published by theSociety. As a musician, his established profession, he was a contributor to“The New Grove Dictionary” (1980) and this year’s “Eighteenth CenturyMusic”. NOTE: The Directors are very pleased to announce two new members toPhilobiblon: Alexander Clark Johnstonand Laurie Rizzo, both of the University of Delaware Library. Sympathy is expressed on the surprisepassing of member Ed Robertson last April and also noted is the resignation ofmember Glenys Waldman. NOTE: Forthe convenience of members nominating potential new members to the Club theClub’s Nomination Form is either attached or included in this Notice. It is not required but helpful. Questions on membership: Carmen D. Valentino, Membership Chair. NOTE: Scheduled meeting dates forthe 2011-2012 season are October 11, November 8, and December 13, 2011 andJanuary 10, February 14, March 13, April 17, 2012. Speakers will be announced as we progressthrough the season but talks on Benjamin Franklin as publisher, SamuelPennypacker as collector, and the Moravian archives are expected as well asspeakers from U. of PA, Lehigh, and Harrisburg are in the works. NOTE: Last May’s Club tour of theMasonic Temple drew 16 members into a one-hour walk through the rooms of thebuilding and a behind-the-scenes tour of the Library and Archives stacks byGlenys Waldman. The Directors thankthose members who have given new Special Events sites to consider for thisseason. NOTE: The Club continues tosearch for a member who is able and interested in becoming the webmasterfor the Club … a position of honor and responsibility. We have been without awebmaster for several years and our website has emigrated from its originalserver and resides within Google. Thepublic façade of the Club is reflected via this internet access and attentionis needed for updating and solving our member database status! Interested parties should let one of theDirectors know their interest and they will be contacted (by Lynne Farrington). DINNER ENTRÉES: ChickenCordon Bleu (Chicken Breast, Ham, Swiss Cheese, Lightly Breaded andBaked, served with Mushroom Gravy, Mashed Potatoes and MexicanCorn (Peppers, Tomatoes, Onions, and Scallions) Or (Vegetarian): Tilapia Creole (Tilapia Fish, Peppers,Onions, Scallion Sautéed inWhite Wine) served with Rice Pilaf and Mexican Corn Soup: Three Bean Soup (Vegetarian) Horsd’oeuvres, Dessert (Lemon Meringue Pie) and Coffee will be served NOTE: The dinner will be arranged at the Franklin Inn Club before the meetingat six-thirty p.m. Cocktails will beserved from six until six-thirty. Guests may be invited to the dinner as well as to the meeting, at acharge for dinner and cocktails of $35 for members and $40 for guests. Please reserve by phone, email, or fax by12:00 p.m.
Re: [MapHist] The cartography of Twitter
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Interesting - on a national scale people seem to twitter in their national language )despite the regions shown, Europe and N America, being very racially mixed), but on a city scale (New York) they twitter in many languages.You can almost see the national frontiers for Europe, with Belguim split across the middle of course. Maybe this [paradox comes abput because people twitter locally to friends of the same race, but national twittering, to distant friends, is done oin the lingua franca. Anyone got a twitter langauge map for London? Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Len Berggren bergg...@sfu.ca To: maphist maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:26 Subject: [MapHist] The cartography of Twitter This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Greetings, all MapHisters! The attached infographic is a nice use of cartography to show the languages used on Twitter. Infographic Of The Day: The Many Languages Of Twitter http://www.fastcodesign.com/1665366/infographic-of-the-day-the-many-languages-of-twitter If is most striking if your computer is able to discriminate between closely related colors. Len Berggren -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168 website: http://people.math.sfu.ca/~berggren/ ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] wierd landscape in W China
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + 43 13`52 n 91 03`07 e Paste these co-ordinates into Google Earth and you are taken to a remote region of N W China. Zoom in and you'll see a pattern like a chain-link fence, across miles of the grey desert. Zoom in really close around here and you'll see off arrays of 6 x 7 dots, repeated at regular intervals. Anyone got the faintest idea what this is? Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I also agree with this viewpoint. If someone's too lazy to tick 'delete' against all the mailbox subject headings they aren't interested in (after all, that's why email has a subject box), they are also probably too lazy to visit a forum. Low-tech often works as good as, or sometimes even better than, hi-tech. As an aside, I find it more accessible / transferable to keep all my web bookmarks, email addresses, as text strings in a Word document (and just click 'open hyperlink, or copy/paste) than to put these bookmarks on my email / web account, and have enormous fun trying to transfer them when my computer needs retiring,replacing, or I'm working from another computer (cue, howls from techies here). Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: Joost Depuydt joost.depu...@stad.antwerpen.be To: Discussion group for map history maphist@geo.uu.nl Sent: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:28 Subject: RE: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Dear Maphisters I second John Day's view on the use of e-mail. A Maphist Forum can never reach as many people at the same time as the MapHist mailing list did. Although my own mailbox also gets congested at times, I do prefer a mailing list above a forum. It's easier to delete incoming mails (I'm not interested in) than to force myself to visit a forum regularly. I just came across the following article: 8 social media trends for 2012 http://www.ragan.com/Main/Articles/44045.aspx Rule no. 5 is appropriate to this discussion: 5. Email marketing. As much as I would love email to be dead, something like 107 trillion emails were sent in 2010. It's not going anywhere, yet most of us (as marketers) have forgotten about it. It's not the new, shiny penny and it's kind of old and stodgy (I think I read it's celebrating its 40th birthday). But it's still really effective. Everyone uses email. Not everyone uses social networks yet. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't look at other possible ways to communicate in addition to a mailing list. The MAPS-L mailing list had a similar discussion about starting a Facebook group. Most people wanted to stick to a mailing list. They finally did start a FB group, but it was in addition to the (still existing) mailing list. Best regards Joost Joost Depuydt | consulent wetenschappelijk werk Stad Antwerpen | FelixArchief Oudeleeuwenrui 29 | 2000 Antwerpen tel + 32 3 338 94 59 | fax +32 3 338 94 10 stadsarch...@stad.antwerpen.be | joost.depu...@stad.antwerpen.be www.antwerpen.be | www.felixarchief.be www.facebook.com/felixarchief www.geschiedenisvanantwerpen.be 't Stad is van iedereen. ***Disclaimer*** Dit e-mailbestand, met inbegrip van zijn eventuele bijlagen, is een officieel document van de Stad Antwerpen. Het kan vertrouwelijke of persoonlijke informatie bevatten. Als u deze boodschap per vergissing hebt ontvangen, verzoeken wij u om de afzender daarvan onmiddellijk per e-mail of telefoon op de hoogte te stellen en ze vervolgens van uw computer te verwijderen zonder de inhoud ervan eerst te lezen, te vermenigvuldigen, te verspreiden of op andere wijze openbaar te maken aan derden. De Stad Antwerpen kan op geen enkele manier aansprakelijk worden gesteld voor mogelijke fouten of onnauwkeurigheden in dit bericht, noch voor verlies, ongemak of directe dan wel indirecte schade geleden ten gevolge van het gebruik van in deze e-mail voorkomende incorrecte informatie -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl [mailto:maphist-boun...@geo.uu.nl] Namens John Day Verzonden: woensdag 7 december 2011 13:32 Aan: Discussion group for map history Onderwerp: Re: [MapHist] End and Restart of Maphist This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + That is too bad. It is interesting that you believe that a listserv is too outdated and old fashioned. The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), the group that develops many of the technical solutions that keeps the Net running, seems to have a different point of view. They are running 100s of mailing lists and show no signs of giving them up. For convenience and ease of use and creating a sense of commumity, I have found nothing better. We operate several ourselves for coordinating cutting edge projects. Sounds more like, some network administrator is lazy. There are lots of places such as yahoo groups and google groups where you can set one of these up. Take care, John Day This
Re: [MapHist] FW: Bistritsky
This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Have you thought of contacting Jewish congregations in London synagogues; try East End (a few Orthodox remain there) or Golders Green or Stamford Hill. Orthodox better for this purpose perhaps than Reform or Liberal, less out-marriage. A lot of Jews fled to London, also Leeds , not from he Nazis in the 1930s but earlier pogroms by the Russians in the 1890s (who then also ruled a lot of what is now Poland). My gt grandfather was called Sochachevsky (probably wrong spelling) before he changed his name to Shaw to make it easier for his employer,a photographer in Aldgate in 1900. As there's a town in E Poland called Sochachew, I guess that's where he came from. Jews are quite keen on ancestral lines, so you might succeed in tracking down a relevant family name here. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -Original Message- From: al a...@moldovan.md To: 'Discussion group for map history' maphist@geo.uu.nl CC: 'William Gross' colle...@gmail.com Sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 0:19 Subject: [MapHist] FW: Bistritsky This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + I'm still trying to locate some member ofthe Bistritsky family From: William Gross[mailto:colle...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 20115:35 PM To: a...@moldovan.md Subject: Re: Bistritsky It is a town in Rumania,Al. Called Bistrita now, with the old name in Hungarian of Besztereczeand the old German name of Bistritz. The town is 75 miles NE of Cluj. Or perhaps the Polish town of Bystrzyca(Bistrich), some 75 km W of Przemysl. I think the first, but what does the family see as the country of itsroots? William On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:01 AM, a...@moldovan.mdwrote: William, It's called Bystrzec in Polish I am trying to locatethis town for a member of my MapHist group. I'm sure Alexander Bistritsky'sfamily came from there. Do you know how I could locate any of his family andinquire of them where the town was? Al Alfred Moldovan, MD 444 Central Park West New York, NY 10025 Tel. 212.865.2828 Fax: 212.865.3111 -- William L. Gross 45 Yehudah Hanasi 69396 Ramat Aviv Israel Tel: (972-3) 642-8179 Mobile: (972-52) 274-4658) Fax: (972-3) 641-9844 ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
[MapHist] Cartogram; Greece as a crumbling cliff
This is a MapHist list message. This list will close soon. Please continue the discussions at the MapHist Forum: http://www.maphist.nl/forum o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + http://www.economist.com/node/21542824 The image of the map of Greece and its islands as a fraying, crumbling cliff edge has become popular forobvious reasons sinnce 2007 - recent version in The Economist, URL above. This one also makes Italy and even Spain appear to crumble too. But was this image used before, perhaps in earlier economic crises? What other maps have been used as crumbling cliff edges? Turn the UK upside down and the N W of Scotland could be used this way, maybe the Canadian Arctic archipelago,or southern Chile. And cities if we map all the peri-urban areas at a fine enough resolution also have faryed edges, although cities can look more like high magnification photos of metastasising cancer cells. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB ___ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list Maphist@geo.uu.nl http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist
