RE: MI looking for maps for Taiwan
I thought North Hollywood, CA was below the 49th parallel? And there is a major missile rattling venue right up the road from here. Dick Hoskins Olympia, WA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Warman Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 9:44 AM To: Mapinfo-L Subject: RE: MI looking for maps for Taiwan Oh I don't know, we Canadians have "a major nuclear power (with missiles) next door that tends to rattle sabres", and we're still pretty free with our geographic data :) _ Tim Warman Geologist GIS Specialist Richard C. Slade Associates North Hollywood, CA (818) 506-0418 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MI looking for maps for Taiwan What you are looking for is a Military State Secret. Export of such large- scale maps and topographic information is treason in the Republic of Taiwan. I would think it unlikely that you will be able to access such data, even while "in-country." Smaller-scale topographic maps for tourist hiking purposes in the mountains has been reported to have passed the military map censors. This is normal behavior for a country with recent border conflicts, and/or blood spilled in the past few generations, and/or with a major nuclear power (with missles) next door that tends to rattle sabers. Prof. Clifford J. Mugnier ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Surveying, Geodesy, Photogrammetry Dept. of Civil Environmental Engineering LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY 12408 CEBA Building Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803 Voice: (225) 388-8536 Facsimilie (225) 388-8652 -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI #D mapping worm
On a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] about 3D mapping McAfee says its infected with a Kak.worm and in fact can't be cleaned. There was no attachment. Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI - list problem ?
Maybe he drinks beer or would prefer cash?! Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "dennis hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "PERRY Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 10:58 AM Subject: Re: MI - list problem ? Perry: I totally agree with your comments on Bill's outstanding efforts. Not only is it comforting to know the list survives because of his efforts but his wit and superb diplomacy in mediating disputes are always a pleasant reminder that difficult jobs don't necessarily require difficult people to get them done. Bill, your preference, red or white? Dennis Hill Cartographic Supervisor NOAA, Pacific Hydrographic Branch PERRY Chris wrote: Bill, Thank you so much for the work you do to keep this WORLD_WIDE resource up and running. I suggest everyone send Bill a bottle of wine - Bil what is your postal address. Cheers All CP -Original Message- From: Bill Thoen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2000 23:55 To: HENROTAY PIERRE; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MI - list problem ? Normally, MapInfo-L produces about 30 messages a day or so, so when you aren't getting mail with "MI" in the subject line, something's not working. During the last virus scare, many servers were refusing mail, and since I couldn't tell if the bounced mail from these was just temporary or permanent, several people were unsubscribed. When servers stop relaying MapInfo-L mail they just bounce mail back to my mailbox and fill it up, so I if your server stops handling mail for a couple of days, you're automatcally taken off MapInfo-L (I can't tell if your server is broken or if you have abandoned your mailbox.) Anyway, you stop getting mail, so if this is not what you want, just resubscribe. All the information about MapInfo-L is available at http://www.directionsmag.com/mapinfo-l. Sorry for any inconvenience, but it goes with the territory! - Bill Thoen - Original Message - From: HENROTAY PIERRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 2:18 AM Subject: MI - list problem ? No messages received at all from MI list these last days ? Is this normal ? Pierre Henrotay Project Manager Siemens Business Services Major Projects Tel. ++ 32 81 559 687 Mob. ++ 32 477 69 93 19 Fax ++ 32 81 559 658 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) http://www.siemens.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI Best GIS for dollar
You are exactly right but unfortunately most of the training I have been involved in from vendors has been way over priced( several hundred $'s/day) and not very good, if not awful. Some tech person talks in a monotone and reads line by line from a poorly prepared instruction manual that has an example dataset that has nothing to do with what the student needs to be working on.Effective training has to have an evaluation component to see if the student is understanding or retaining the material so that they canmove on to the next topics in the course with confidence. I havenever seen this done incommercial courses. I have found that the local community college does a far better job and charges for a 10 week course $100 or so. The GIS industry, as like the rest of the software world, needs to re-invent training programs. I'll bet if a serious study were done of current programs that the effectiveness would be rated at less than 10%, that is, the student retains less than 10%of the material 1 day after taking the course. But the responsibility is not all the vendor's. Companies send staff to software training and their management puts nothing in place to evaluate the effectiveness of the training or do they attempt to measure whether their investment paid off, and seldom do they give the staff member time to just sit at their terminal and go through the manual chapter by chapter.ESRI is putting affordable courses on the Internet, I have no idea if they are any good or not. Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]GIS uses in public health summer course:http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: Sinam Al-Khafaji To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:46 AM Subject: RE: MI Best GIS for dollar First the disclaimer - I work for a MapInfo VAR and we have an ATC (Authorized Training Center). With that said, whether ERSI, MapInfo, Maptitude, Mamifold, etc if you intend to be a power-user, or need a team of strong users, it isessential to budget in training as well. I've taken and taught training on both sides (MI ESRI). GIS, however convincing the marketing blush, is a complex and difficult field for new users.Just understanding the concepts (and limitations) of geographic analysis takes time to digest. Its only user friendly if the user has a clue. Where time is money and a limited resource,good training class can save you hours of wasted project time with an ever-approaching and unforgiving deadline. Even if you later switch products,a firm grasp of GIS concepts makes learning competitor software much easier. Will any of us be using the same software in five years? Doubtful. Eventually the GIS user is powerful, and the software just a tool. When budgeting for software, budget for GIS training as well. It will payfor itself tenfold regardless of the final product choice. -Original Message-From: John Haynes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:27 AMTo: Dick Hoskins; Berk Charlton; [Sinam]Subject: Re: MI Best GIS for dollar Dick, Perfectly put. Very few of us use anywhere near the potential of any software; we learn what is necessary to do our tasks and complete our mission. It is great to be innovative but a couple of old expressions sum up the risk..."The first guy on the beach gets the bullet" and "The leading edge of the sword has the most nicks." I like to remember the lesson of Levi Strauss. As thousands gallumphed into the western horizon to grab the first chunk of gold, Levi loaded his goods in a slow wagon team and followed to sell them the standard commodities they would still need. -Original Message-----From: Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Berk Charlton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 12:10 AMSubject: Re: MI Best GIS for dollar My cost of maintaining various editions of MI, with V Mapper and data versus Maptitude and Surfer 6 and 7 and both product's programming languages is 8 to 1. MI is around because my users had MI - although no longer - ESRI made them a deal they couldn't refuse. So maybe I won't upgrade. However if you have a job to do, saving money on software and upgrades can certainly be a false economy. It of course depends on the job. However, not every GIS user is a developer, or ever cares to make a GIS app beyond using the programming language to automate their own task to support. There are a lot of people who need almost industrial strength GIS tools to work on particular problems and get things done. Maptitude and Manifold could fill this void. What I hear from Manifol
Re: MI Best GIS for dollar
My cost of maintaining various editions of MI, with V Mapper and data versus Maptitude and Surfer 6 and 7 and both product's programming languages is 8 to 1. MI is around because my users had MI - although no longer - ESRI made them a deal they couldn't refuse. So maybe I won't upgrade. However if you have a job to do, saving money on software and upgrades can certainly be a false economy. It of course depends on the job. However, not every GIS user is a developer, or ever cares to make a GIS app beyond using the programming language to automate their own task to support. There are a lot of people who need almost industrial strength GIS tools to work on particular problems and get things done. Maptitude and Manifold could fill this void. What I hear from Manifold and Maptitude sure indicates that they are not exactly stuck ... new things are going to appear which I don't think ESRI or MI are capable of doing now because they are "stuck" in a GIS paradigm that won't be here in 5 years. Of courser, it depends on what you need to do, and I would submit that a whole lot of people are spending $1400 when they could be spending $400. Seems that MI is not exactly preparing for when folks figure that out. Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]GIS uses in public health summer course:http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Berk Charlton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:06 PM Subject: RE: MI Best GIS for dollar For what it's worth - Overall, I have to agree that Maptitude is the best generic GIS value. Great data set, good functionality, fabulous import/export capability, built in routing, etc. But there are still plenty of reasons to go with other more expensive packages. A major factor in deciding which GIS use for many of us is the 3rd party tools available. Mapinfo and Arcview both have hundreds of free public domain utilities and programs available, and dozens more for sale. Practically any vertical market need a user has, from site selection to watershed analysis, has been covered by the third party developer and VAR channel. Maptitude is really deficient here, even though the package has a good programming language. Maptitude's sale price is so low that Caliper can't afford to have a decent reseller program (nor have they ever tried hard to cultivate one), which forces them to try to do everything in-house. Hence, they have a good generic package, but very little vertical market tools or penetration. Routing applications are the one exception, which Caliper has developed in-house. And there's something to be said for critical mass. ESRI and Mapinfo have most of the market share, most of the trained GIS users, and most of the installed base. If your company is making mission critical decisions with GIS, and you need to find trained GIS users with experience in your particular industry, the extra expense of going with an established market leader is inconsequential compared to the risk of making bad operational decisions by trying to save a few bucks up front. Berk Charlton Geographic Marketing Solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leore, Robert Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 9:41 AM To: MapInfo-L Subject: RE: MI Best GIS for dollar Maptitude by Caliper is the best GIS for the dollar. At US$395 it is the cheapest path to a full-featured GIS. I used to use MI but I now use Maptitude and its big brother TransCAD exclusively. Check these programs out at www.caliper.com. Bob Hi Everyone, I have been reading the threads on MI and ArcView in the same office and aminterested in peoples opinions as to value. I am considering purchase of a GIS but would like info on value vs functionality. Can anyone suggest a GIS system that gives the best 'bang for your buck'for business applications such as demographic studies, network analysis and has decent spatial modeling capabilities? Map Design and layout capabilities are important also. I have used ArcInfo and ArcView but realise there are other systems such asMI, Esri Atlas GIS and Manifold. Unfortunately, as everyone knows many systems lack basic functionality required to complete a project and eitheryou need to buy expensive 'add-on' modules or use a different program tocomplete the project. For example, what does the Esri Atlas GIS give that you cannot do withArcView and a business add-on? Manifold claims it does way more than MI.Are there users experienced with several of these systems that could shedsome light on the relative strengths and weaknesses of these systems? Is one of these systems head and shoulders above the rest? Thanks in advance,
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
In what way does ESRI respond to public health? I am at a loss - I have seen their presentations, etc but not ONE deals with anything that has anything to do with public health (surveillance, assessment, program evaluation) . Perhaps I am wrong, show me the way. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Steve Lackow" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marjorie Roswell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? Margie, we linked to your public health GIS site from ours at http://www.rpmconsulting.com/PublicHealth.html As for the map server question, ArcIMS is the latest and greatest, but if all the geodata are in MapInfo format and I was used to the MapInfo programming environment I might stick with that. As for ESRI out-doing MapInfo on marketing, I think ESRI simply understands the needs of the educational user better and addresses them better. There are also other segments where ESRI excels (e.g. public health, government, transportation). But though my firm works predominantly with ESRI products, I've always felt MapInfo had far superior marketing to business users, and that ArcView is still not as productive as MapInfo or Atlas GIS for business use. But this is changing. To me, it's all good. It would be nice if we had one GIS format already, though -- or if at least the major products were all thoroughly interoperable on format. Atlas 4.0 is actually closest to this, as it can import and export MIF, SHP, BNA and AGF. -- Steve - Original Message - From: "Marjorie Roswell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Portolan Geomatics Inc" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:06 PM Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? On Wed, 3 May 2000, Portolan Geomatics Inc wrote: Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) Yikes. I am missed. Cool. Some things I've been thinking about lately, while not managing to correspond with mapinfo-l: - Whether to ask MapInfo for a copy of MapXtreme, or ESRI for a copy of ArcIMS, or MapOjectsIMS. I intend to create a non-profit web site of bicycle routes. I was already turned down by DeLorme. They have a speedy-gonzales Eartha web mapping product, but apparently they use such optimized data (like RouteIMS) that you can't import custom data. I want whichever solution is easier for the programmer to implement, and whichever is faster, in that order of priority, I guess, but both would be nice. Which is a better product? - I'm planning to use Flash with MAPublisher and Illustrator to implement some web mapping. I was very impressed by the Baltimore Sun's look at Handgun legislation. Click on the United States graphic on the right-hand lower side of http://www.sunspot.net/news/special/guns/ I think this is beautifully implemented, and faster, and more responsive than ANY GIS-on-the-web solution I've ever seen before. I intend to create an animation of the spread of Lyme Disease. - A couple of months ago I created http://hello.to/healthgeo, a web site of links devoted to Health Geographics Well, that's what's up with me on the mapping, and maps-on-the-web front. Thanks for noticing my "absence." Regards, Margie "Still-a-MapInfo-User-after-all-these-years" Roswell P.S. My campus has a site license for ESRI products. I do feel a tidal wave push in that direction, especially because of effective marketing by ESRI. I mean, at the local GIS conference last week, I was carrying a bag with ESRI's name on it. MapInfo should, indeed, take a few tips from ESRI, on both user-interface, and marketing fronts. _ Marjorie Roswell, Spatial Analyst UMBC Center for Health Program Development and Management 1000 Hilltop Circle Fx: (410)455-6850 Baltimore, MD 21250 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: (410)455-6802http://umbc.edu/~roswell/mipage.html _ -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone used MI 6.0 yet?
I might augment your predictions a little: I suspect that the average MI user is getting tired of cosmetic upgrades that cost $500. Much less, many of us are not real nuts about MapExtreme, the big price tag and the profound lack of ease in implementation. (The lack of Internet capable mapping from the major vendors is overwhelming) There is no way that the wool-dyed MI user can support any notion that MI Corp is listening to the ... user, that is, their customers who have the greatest capacity to really use the product. I would take issue with your comments, or the tone concerning "cheap" Low price doesn't mean necessarily cheap. it might mean that a competitor is attempting an end-run and trying to break through the current dominance in the market by AV and MI. I would say the same for AV. MI has a lot of nice features, AV has a few, but there are other products that have long since passed by and catching up ... and they are cheaper. Taking on the metaphor of "Rule Makers and Rule Breakers" - www.motleyfool.com the popular investment site, MI is neither. ESRI remains the "Rule Maker" - it is the dominant force in GIS and ... makes the rules. MI and everyone else must at best be the occasional mosquito as far as a threat to their dominance goes. It was once a "Rule Breaker" ... it did new innovative things and to some extent still does. (Compare ESRI magazine with MapWorld - no comparison. MapWorld is by any measure an almost pathetic competitor.) In my view MI does neither - it doesn't make the rules and it sure doesn't break them. But "Rule Breakers" are appearing, and one of these days whether its Manifold, or Caliper, or GeoMedia, or who knows who ... there will appear a substantive competitor unless ESRI or MI can get make some changes. I predict ESRI will make some, and MI will miss the boat. (the American Way and all that) One of these days there is going to be a GIS vendor who responds to customers, doesn't always have its hand out, provides credible tech support that ordinary people can afford, training that non-high-end business types can put in their budget (read government and education), etc. WHEN that happens, AV and MI users are going to leave the sinking ship like the proverbial rats. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Anyone used MI 6.0 yet? It's not shipping yet. June 1st is the scheduled date for North America. I think the only thing out now is the beta version, which no one is supposed to talk about in public. I think that most people actively using MapInfo now will upgrade. Casual users will probably think harder about it, but I really think most people will get it. A certain percentage will almost certainly try one of the cheap competitors, but will be back here in a year or so saying that their alternative makes a nice supplement to MapInfo. A smaller percentage will leave forever, and probably throw out all commercial software and switch to Linux and GRASS. At least that's what will happen if history is any guide to the present. - Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, does anyone have any experiences with MI 6.0 yet along with any comments on new features or views on if many users will flock to the recent upgrade. any comments would be appreciated -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Curious that I can find shape files for AV and MapI files that won't load into AV or MI and then when I important them into Maptitude (they have always imported fine) and then output the files from Maptitude to another AV or MI file that THEN I can get AV and MI to read their own files. Besides that, Maptitude is easy to use and does a few things that MI and AV can't. Maptitude doesn't have any Spatial Analyst or Vertical Mapper., but Surfer works just fine - not seamless, but hardly a big bother. Considering the $400 cost versus the bloated $12-1400 cost of the others it is a very good deal. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Oliver Moffatt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Robert Glazier'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Donna Glover" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: RE: MI AND AV in the same office? I'm a disciple of the "horses for courses" approach. I've never really got into ArcView, but I am a big fan of Maptitude (http://www.caliper.com/) as my alternative system. Quite often I find I can do things in Maptitude that I can't do in MapInfo, and I use it a lot for data exchange with other systems. By coincidence I'm using it right now to import some elevation data which I can then convert to MIF for subsequent export to MapInfo. Cheap and cheerful, and I use it a lot. I think you'll search forever for a GIS which will fulfil all your requirements. === Oliver Moffatt GIS Support Officer Peak District National Park Authority Telephone (01629) 816269 Fax (01629) 816310 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] === On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:33 PM, Robert Glazier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Donna, May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? The reason I ask is(snip) -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI RE: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight!
Title: RE: MI RE: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight! I think we ought to be civil to "guests" and entertain the idea that there is a bigger world out there besides how to work around the latest found MI deficiency. GIS people have some broader responsibilities. We sit on data that could compromise personal privacy. Other spatial data, if misrepresented, could push policy makers in a direction with decisions they wouldnot make if the data had been presented correctly to begin with. I did not agree with Dimitri, but his point of view was not without some background, he is articulate, and the underlying issues had plenty of relevance to our craft. Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]GIS uses in public health summer course:http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: RE: MI RE: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight! Well I don't agree. Ok, it isn't Mapinfo, but its of interest to myself and I'm sure other list users. Its a lot more relevant to me than 'Friday Funnies', Adverts for making easy money and the huge amount of US centric queries that appear on the list. I have no problem with any of these, (except the spam adverts) and can quite easily live with them all. I thought a forum was a place of discussion, not a strictly controlled QA group Andrew Dimitri I agree with the others. Please keep your topics to Mapinfo or go away. Jack IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail is confidential. It must not be read, copies disclosed or used by any person other than the named recipient. Unauthorised use, disclosure or copying is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately.
Re: MI Re: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight!
Some diversity of discussion might be a good idea. After all, just how interesting can yet another printing problem with MI 5.5 really be? Are you sure you speak for everyone? "but quite frankly no one else cares to hear them" Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Tim Warman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mapinfo-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: RE: MI Re: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight! Guys, Can you take this crap over to the Political Rants mailing list? I'm sure we all have opinions on this, but quite frankly no one else cares to hear them. Thanks, _ Tim Warman Geologist GIS Specialist Richard C. Slade Associates North Hollywood, CA (818) 506-0418 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Haynes Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:39 AM To: Cliff Mugnier Cc: Mapinfo-l Subject: Re: MI Re: (GIS-L) Wide open GPS - no more SA, starting tonight! Cliff, I couldn't have said it better myself...and, I do a good job of saying things!! Let's have the INS Elian Team check Dimitri's green card!! Balderdash and poppycock. -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI Summer Public health GIS course
If anyone is interested in a GIS Public health course for not many $'s and where the software used goes home with you, check out ... http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html We suggest you stay a few extra days in Seattle to enjoy our (usually) glorious summer, long days, and espresso stands on every corner. However ... don't stay. The traffic is terrible and the house prices astronomical.The course will take place at -122.304644, 47.648182. long/lat. Richard HoskinsWAPHGIS listserveListserve for GIS and Public HealthNorthwest Center for Public Health PracticeSchool of Public Health and Community Medicine University of Washington, Seattle[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hslib.washington.edu/nwcphp/ To subscribe to the list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the request "subscribe waphgis" followed by your name in the body of the message, like so: subscribe waphgis Jane Doe
MI Peru maps?
Any ideas about where to locate coverages of Peru? Lima Street map? Thanks Richard HoskinsWAPHGIS listserveListserve for GIS and Public HealthNorthwest Center for Public Health PracticeSchool of Public Health and Community Medicine University of Washington, Seattle[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.hslib.washington.edu/nwcphp/ To subscribe to the list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the request "subscribe waphgis" followed by your name in the body of the message, like so: subscribe waphgis Jane Doe
Re: MI SUM: MapBasic training courses - Pro and Con?
Where can one get Mapbasic training materials for cheap? No money to pay MapInfo their rather high fee for a couple days training. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Bill Thoen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "MapInfo-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 2:29 PM Subject: MI SUM: MapBasic training courses - Pro and Con? Last week I asked the list for comments and suggestions about MapInfo's MapBasic training courses. I was particularly interested in how people manage to teach such a large body of statements, functions and techniques to a class of MapBasic beginners in only two days. I was also looking for suggestions on what changes could or should be made to improve the results. I received several responses, both from students and trainers, but since many requested anonymity, I won't name any names. (But thank you all anonymously!) 1. The first difficulty almost everyone noted was that to cover so much in so little time that it is very critical that the class be pretty much "on the same page" to start. Students must at least know how to use MapInfo already, and they also should understand GIS concepts to a similar degree. Most important is that they really ought to have had similar experience with programming (or script writing). Even so, that level of programming experience could be as little as none, but for best results the entire class should have the same level, or the classes need to be small to allow the instructor to help the ones who need it. Most people thought that class sizes should be no more than six to eight, and one insisted that they be no larger than four. 2. Material The following suggestions relate to course material: a.) Everyone should have their own machine to work on. Doubling students up two to a machine works, but not well. People need to learn from their own mistakes, and not watch their partners do all the typing. b.) Provide a floppy disk of the examples. Preferably include more examples than are covered in the course, but make sure these are coordinated with the lessons, or extend them in a clear progression of increasing difficultly so that more experienced students can go as far as they are able while waiting for the others to catch up. c.) The course workbook was considered by most students to be good enough to be used after the class was over. Instructors all had opinions that the workbook could be better organized. One response (from an experienced trainer) really went to town on the MapBasic course workbook. Having reviewing it myself now, I'd have to agree on all this person's comments. The "Fundamentals" section is not well organized. For example, the concept of "User defined type" is presented before there's any talk of variables themselves (and then types are never mentioned again), with the only justification being that Types are usually defined at the top of a code module (Q: If types have to appear first in a program, must you also present them in a course first? A: Definitely not!) User Defined Types, IMHO, are composite variables, and shouldn't be discussed with the simple variables. Student should see (and work) an example first using only basic variables (smallint, integer, float, string and string*n, date and logical) before facing the Database and object variable types (table fields, alias, obj, and styles) all BEFORE you show them the composite ones (types and arrays.) Presenting them in order of where they have to appear in code is backwards, I think. The user interface section was considered to be pretty good and again I agree with the responder. Students are surprised to see how simple this is (at the basic level, at any rate). There's a lot here, and so an instructor doesn't usually get much beyond this chapter the first day. The next day tries to cover the last 89 pages of the book, and that appears to be too much. Thematic Mapping is a tedious one to teach, as the shade statement is extremely overloaded and complicated. It would be nice to be able to teach people how to build "wrapper" functions so as to separate all the various flavors of "shade" into more easily understood calls, but alas, that's an intermediate topic... Still, the examples in the "class project" provide a good job of following the course up through "Obtaining System Information", building one application from scratch up to creating a thematic map based on a user choice (that was a good idea!) Unfortunately, the coordination with the examples stops when it comes to object manipulation. This section is a bit thick for beginners and the examples aren't very good as instruction tools. "Nearest neighbor" and "Disperse" are neat applications, but they try to show too much and don't follow the course all that well. I think that "map objects
Re: MI Census tract data
How about the 1980 and 1970 census data? Is that available for free somewhere? Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Miguel Iturralde To: Karen Behm Cc: Foro de Consultas MapInfo Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 4:27 PM Subject: Re: MI Census tract data Karen, Search this site: http://www.ciesin.org/sitemapfr.html. They used to keep the differentCensus STF data from the CD-ROM's in a server, where you could request and download data. Regards, Miguel Iturralde[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Karen Behm To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, 27 January, 2000 04:23 PM Subject: MI Census tract data Does anybody know where I can find 1990 population by census tracts forfree? For entire US - just the big list. I don't need the boundary files,just the tract number and pop count.Karen--To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put"unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI Y2K and mapXtreme
Igot a letter in the mail today dated December 17th from MapInfostating that:"If you use the HAHTsite Application Server to perform date-relatedfunctions within your MapXsite and/or MapXtreme applications, thisinformation may affect you. MapInfo has determined that the OEM versionof the third party software, HAHTsite Applicaiton Server OEM version3.1, builds 101 and 103, which was previously believed to beY2K-compliant are indeed not Y2K-compliant without an upgrade. Thisapplication server is shipped with MapXtreme NT and MapXsite. HAHT hasprovided an upgrade, which MapInfo has modified and tested for its OEMversion"The letter then goes on to explain the situation in more detail Comments, etc? Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI Zip boundary files
Try www.caliper.com or [EMAIL PROTECTED] They might be able to make you an .mif file for you or something MI can read. Peter knows all about Zipcode files - I can tell you, there is a lot more about Zip files than you (or me) might ever want to know. Its a lot more complicated than getting something more up to date than 1994. Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: jennifer kearney To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 3:57 AM Subject: MI Zip boundary files Does anyone out there know of a source (besides Mi at $995) for updated zip boundary files? Updated would be anything newer than 1994. Thanks for your help, Jennifer Kearney Logicalart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI concentric ring buffer tool
When I use theconcentric buffer tool that is packaged with MI 5.5 I get all kinds of errors I never heard of and are not documented. One I get is "too many open files" (3 are open) , I have .5 gig RAM , when I try to use the statistics part. Another error is "Cannot include datatype clause if updating existing column" and others. Also the feature to set the appearance of the buffers( color, fill pattern) doesn't work. Generally it appears that the concentric ring buffer tool is not all that good. Would anyone have another one? I need to be able to make concentric rings around a point or polygon and then estimate the covariates on the buffers from data underneath, sum for sure, average and weighted average and count as well - like population from overlaying buffers over census tract data, etc. Thanks a lot Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI Perimeter percentage
I would like to determine the nearest neighbors to say, the zipcodes in my State (WA) and then calculate the length of the perimeter shared by each nearest neighbor. Can someone get me started with an approach in MapBasic or MI 5.5 pro? thanks Dick Hoskins[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI clearing the message window
From PC Magazine http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3921.html Anti-spam web sites: 1. Spam Recycle Center takes your forwarded spam and sends it to the FTC as part of its quest to stop email fraud. Server and individual level solutions offered http://www.chooseyourmail.com/spamindex.cfm 2. SpamCop helps you punish spammers for sending you their junk mail. This service is free.http://spamcop.net/ 3. JunkBusters provides countless tips and tricks to dodge and discipline spammers (ditto for direct mailers and tele-marketers). Even includes drafts of complaint letters you can send http://www.junkbusters.com/ 4. Software to deal with SPAM: http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000HW Bb=adesk from PC Magazine. It is called SpamKiller 09-29-99 by Novasoft. Richard Hoskins GIS Spatial Epidemiology Group WA State Department of Health 1102 Quince Street Olympia, WA 98504-7812 -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MI WAPHGIS: how to kill the Caps Lock key
The continuing saga of how to kill the Caps Lock key. You recall I was going to offer a prize, a fine map of the health districts in WA state to anyone who could tell me how to kill my caps lock key. Big fingers, or a miniscule cerebellum, I keep hitting the thing only to look up and see upper where lower and lower where upper case should be. Drives (drove) me nuts. I had a total of 29 suggestions on how to do it. Some involved going into the registry, fooling with various re-mapping scripts, trying out many, many free/share/pay-for-it-ware programs to do it, and arcane tweaking of the innards of NT or WIN 98 that went far beyond OS surgery I was willing to perform. One resident program did the trick, used a megabyte of memory and slowed my machine to a crawl. Word 2000 is smart enough to know when you have hit the Caps Lock and automatically corrects the error. bUT EMAIL DOESN"T. (thanks Bill - you must have this problem too) I looked at a programmable keyboard with super ergonomic characteristics As suggested), and one is on the way, but for wrists and fingers and maybe Caps Lock turn off to boot. But there was ONE person - i just tossed his/her email away as frivolous - that, in the end, gave the quick, simple, and totally effective solution. If that person will identify themselves with an address a fine WA State health map will be yours. The solution? yes guessed it. Take a thin blade knife and ... pry it off. Richard Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI: Geometry Manager - pricing
How does one communicate with MI management about things like this? That is, the huge price of Geometry Manager If I were a shareholder - and this kind of behavior is why I am not - I'd be wanting MI to include a product like this and MapBasic with MI professional. Just how much $ can they really make with a product like this or MapBasic? Surely only a very small percentage of MI users will buy these tools. Here is an opportunity to attract users to MI, maybe even some away from AV and they toss it away. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 12:11 AM Subject: Re: MI: Geometry Manager - pricing In a message dated 11/5/99 6:13:56 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Consider instead the tremendous competitive edge MapInfo would get if GM and MapBasic were included in MI Professional, at no extra cost. Particularly in areas where ESRI is "giving" away the product in order to convert users to ESRI products. -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
