[libreoffice-marketing] yesterday's confcall recording online
Hello, yesterday's marketing conference call recording is now available from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls#10-May-2011 Thanks for joining! Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi :) Ok, i cut the thread down quite a LOT. The message seems to be 1. That the domains and websites are safe according to Paulo, Clovis and Bernhard (details differ but result is that things are safe) 2. The community and individuals are doing a gradual change-over to the new names in a smooth gradual way as laid out in much detail in many posts to this list. 3. Some redirects have gone a bit wrong and there are a few errors that may or may not be deliberate. This is normal and it's normal to be annoyed about it but it 'just' needs fixing. 4. Some people are not great at working with people but are superb at getting on with tasks they perceive as being vital. Again, that is normal. Hopefully we can fix some possibly wrong moves once the community has decided what needs to be done. If what has already been done is too different then hopefully we can move to what the community has decided. 5. We need to stop panicking and doing knee jerk reactions because (despite all the excitement) things seem to be progressing quite well!! Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 2:32:57 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains 2011/5/10 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at Hi Paulo, all, Hi. Paulo S. Lima wrote: 2011/5/9 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk [...] Paulo, is there a danger of losing the Brazilian websites due to Brazilian law? If that danger does exist then is it a problem that needs to be solved urgently? The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is competely over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an NGO, not a person or a private company). If I understand you right, the domains have to be owned by an NGO, or they don't exist / are not accessible on the web. No.Every domain registration has a time to expire. When expiring is closing, the owner receives a message about it and, if he wants, he pays another fare and maintain that domain for another period of time (from 1 to 3 years, i think). If NGO ends its activities,domain will remain in it's name, until expiration. After that, it will be available for anyone (who has anlegalized brazilian NGO) to register it. And if they exist, Brazilian people know by their extension (.org.br), that they relate to an NGO dedicated to LibreOffice and TDF. When the present NGO is undone, the website will become inactive. No, the correct situation is: when the domain paid period expire. snip ... [lots of important comments that could (mostly) be in separate threads including mention of a redirect] ... /snip That's part of our strategy to switch from BrOffice to Libreoffice trade mark. The passes to slightly switch without chock people were: 1 - Put an advertise redirecting to the old website (but with the new domain). 2 - Move the domain to pt-br.libreoffice.org as soon as the most accessed content were migrated to TDF. 3 - End up the old website moving the remaining content to TDF or deleting stuff we don't need. snip ... [again, lots of important comments that could (mostly) be in separate threads] ... /snip Many thanks for allowing us to tell you our point of view. You are the first to do it. I expect more people begin to dialogue with us, instead of fighting us. We don't want to fight anybody. Brazilians are friendly people who love peace, fun and joy. This situation is very unpleasant. Kind regards http://pt-br.libreoffice.org Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Sorry, Charles, but it's not just that Claudio was in the shadows. We also have the David and Olivier there. And these two can not ignore what was discussed in open our local listings. Another thing, I think there is some confusion. Alta is a formal institution, from what I see. Colibre,however, is not. It was just a name we wanted to give to the Brazilian community to replaceGubro (BrOffice Users Group), which is a very interesting local project in the dissemination of the product. Regards, Luiz Oliveira Paulo, This is just a comment from my side as you keep asking a question that I feel I had answered before, but you believe I haven't, so let me answer to the question again. It's about your question on the North American LibreOffice DVD team and website and the Brazilian one. Take a look at the two website. The NA LibreOffice DVD team has a website that is focused on a DVD project, that encompasses multiple languages. It is not a traditional native-language team, to use the OOo parlance, and it does not try to even harbour the full TDF / LO colours and logos. The NA DVD team has formed and debated here, on this mailing lists and on others (website and discuss); they did this in the open for everyone to see, the SC knew about (or could not ignore it as it was happening here), and they were generally very delicate about trademarks, using of terms, etc. I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. TDF does not take sides, were it between ALTA and Colibre. Frankly we can't, we shouldn't, we won't. It's not our job. The situation is what it is, it's unfortunate, but we want to deal with the Brazilian community as a whole. It's a very tempting for you or others, to think TDF will take sides, even secretly. What TDF wants is to work and help the community work, that's it. We're not interested in local fightings, and should I need to write it again, the Brazilian community is most welcome here. It is your home. Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Luiz, Possibly, but again we cannot take sides. The bottomline is, Claudio should have talked to us. Anyway, as for Colibre, my point is the same: TDF deals and works with the Brazilian community as a whole, not with one specific church. So, if it's a name, a NGO, anything, we will deal with the Brazilian community as a whole with the same respect and rights, as well as the same duties that are vested unto any other community. Best, Charles. Le Wed, 11 May 2011 08:28:32 -0300, luiz lcolui...@gmail.com a écrit : Sorry, Charles, but it's not just that Claudio was in the shadows. We also have the David and Olivier there. And these two can not ignore what was discussed in open our local listings. Another thing, I think there is some confusion. Alta is a formal institution, from what I see. Colibre,however, is not. It was just a name we wanted to give to the Brazilian community to replaceGubro (BrOffice Users Group), which is a very interesting local project in the dissemination of the product. Regards, Luiz Oliveira Paulo, This is just a comment from my side as you keep asking a question that I feel I had answered before, but you believe I haven't, so let me answer to the question again. It's about your question on the North American LibreOffice DVD team and website and the Brazilian one. Take a look at the two website. The NA LibreOffice DVD team has a website that is focused on a DVD project, that encompasses multiple languages. It is not a traditional native-language team, to use the OOo parlance, and it does not try to even harbour the full TDF / LO colours and logos. The NA DVD team has formed and debated here, on this mailing lists and on others (website and discuss); they did this in the open for everyone to see, the SC knew about (or could not ignore it as it was happening here), and they were generally very delicate about trademarks, using of terms, etc. I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. TDF does not take sides, were it between ALTA and Colibre. Frankly we can't, we shouldn't, we won't. It's not our job. The situation is what it is, it's unfortunate, but we want to deal with the Brazilian community as a whole. It's a very tempting for you or others, to think TDF will take sides, even secretly. What TDF wants is to work and help the community work, that's it. We're not interested in local fightings, and should I need to write it again, the Brazilian community is most welcome here. It is your home. Best, Charles. -- Charles-H. Schulz Membre du Comité exécutif The Document Foundation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Paulo, Good morning, Charles, This is just a comment from my side as you keep asking a question that I feel I had answered before, but you believe I haven't, so let me answer to the question again. It's about your question on the North American LibreOffice DVD team and website and the Brazilian one. Take a look at the two website. The NA LibreOffice DVD team has a website that is focused on a DVD project, that encompasses multiple languages. It is not a traditional native-language team, to use the OOo parlance, and it does not try to even harbour the full TDF / LO colours and logos. The NA DVD team has formed and debated here, on this mailing lists and on others (website and discuss); they did this in the open for everyone to see, the SC knew about (or could not ignore it as it was happening here), and they were generally very delicate about trademarks, using of terms, etc. Ok. I understand that, BUT, in my point of view, this issue was about the domain itself and not about the content in it. There are two different situations here, but the problem is the same: the use of TDF brand in the domains name outside TDF structure. I won't insist in this matter anymore, ok? Look: I don't want to fight anymore, we shall solve this matter right now, or I quit. I am wasting much time here, and TDF nor Libreoffice pay my bills. I should remind you I am a *volunteer* here, trying to show you that we are doing our job, and you are questioning our behavior based on partial evidences. And, yes, I think someone must have told you about that behind the scenes, because your claims began to arrise a few days after we have done some changes in directions up here. Those are the same people who could question us about that decision, or remind us to talk to you before we do that, but they prefered to do things in another way, puting you and us into a battle. I think you were involved into a fight you could solve in a different way. I think with a little piece of good will from both of us, this unpleasant situation can be reverted, BUT, I will not admit we were doing something extremely wrong. Maybe we had made some decisions that were mistaken because of the lack of contributors in some areas, including those who could question the decision of using libreoffice brand in the domain name. But again: you could question us in a different manner, and we would be happy to fix our mistakes, as we have already done. You have to notice that we are abruptly switching many of our contents and mailing lists right now, harming a lot of contributors and users, because of YOUR requests. This harm is much more deeper for us than the harm for TDF of waiting a little more time to request the ownership and the redirection of that domains. But it is being done because of your urgency and your distrust on us. You could also have requested us a schedule for this to be done, but you prefered to force us into a extreme situation. That's OK. It doesn't matter anymore. It's done. I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. TDF does not take sides, were it between ALTA and Colibre. Frankly we can't, we shouldn't, we won't. It's not our job. The situation is what it is, it's unfortunate, but we want to deal with the Brazilian community as a whole. It's a very tempting for you or others, to think TDF will take sides, even secretly. What TDF wants is to work and help the community work, that's it. We're not interested in local fightings, and should I need to write it again, the Brazilian community is most welcome here. It is your home. I am also surprised about the lack of participation of Olivier in this discussion. Claudio has his own personal problems and I can't speak for him. And, in fact, it seems there's only me in here, trying to show you what was happening and I am NOT a TDF member. Even other Brazilian TDF members aren't here. There are you, TDF founders, and me, an ordinary contributor. I say again: I am just a *volunteer* who loves to contribute to Libreoffice. I am NOT looking for a job or a good political position in the core team, or in my community. In fact, as I have stated before, I am wasting much more time here than I have to dedicate to LibreOffice. From now on I will rethink my personal priorities. What you have requested is taking place, I suppose you will be satisfied, won't you? I tryied to access libreoffice.org.br and it is still pointing to our old website. I will request Claudio to switch it to pt-br.libreoffice.org and that's my final contribution on this matter. I don't have the ownership nor admin control on it, so I will not reply any other question about that. Please refer to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi, Possibly, but again we cannot take sides. The bottomline is, Claudio should have talked to us. Sorry, but this is not what is seems. You only to knowCláudio, only attacks and cites Cláudio,why? It seems you have a speech ready, at least is the impression I got. Anyway, as for Colibre, my point is the same: TDF deals and works with the Brazilian community as a whole, not with one specific church. And who is asking this? So, if it's a name, a NGO, anything, we will deal with the Brazilian community as a whole with the same respect and rights, as well as the same duties that are vested unto any other community. Ok, Charles.We are not here asking for exclusivity. Understand, Colibre (LibreOffice Community) is a simple name. A step by to replace BrOffice for LibreOffice on the projects that already existing in Brazil. You are proposing to kill anything that existed before? I hope not. I'm doing the best I can to resolve the main issue here. Cláudio already spoke with Florian (in PVT). The domains will be redirected to the TDF structure. Since yesterday we began to use the list discus...@pt-br.libreoffice.org to replace @gubro-br (BrOffice structure). I am awaiting a Florian position in relation to my request on a mailing list for the Journal and then the migration is complete (at least for the mailing lists). After that, we will not have any external list in action here in Brazil. About domains,I think we can close this issue. I propose that the SC make a meeting with former members of the NGO BrOffice (not only Cláudio) and decide what to do. Regards, Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hello Paulo, Le Wed, 11 May 2011 09:28:58 -0300, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com a écrit : 2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Paulo, Good morning, Charles, This is just a comment from my side as you keep asking a question that I feel I had answered before, but you believe I haven't, so let me answer to the question again. It's about your question on the North American LibreOffice DVD team and website and the Brazilian one. Take a look at the two website. The NA LibreOffice DVD team has a website that is focused on a DVD project, that encompasses multiple languages. It is not a traditional native-language team, to use the OOo parlance, and it does not try to even harbour the full TDF / LO colours and logos. The NA DVD team has formed and debated here, on this mailing lists and on others (website and discuss); they did this in the open for everyone to see, the SC knew about (or could not ignore it as it was happening here), and they were generally very delicate about trademarks, using of terms, etc. Ok. I understand that, BUT, in my point of view, this issue was about the domain itself and not about the content in it. It was not just the domain. There are two different situations here, but the problem is the same: the use of TDF brand in the domains name outside TDF structure. I won't insist in this matter anymore, ok? Okay. Look: I don't want to fight anymore, we shall solve this matter right now, or I quit. I am wasting much time here, and TDF nor Libreoffice pay my bills. I should remind you I am a *volunteer* here, trying to show you that we are doing our job, and you are questioning our behavior based on partial evidences. I'm a volunteer too, Paulo, most of us are. And, yes, I think someone must have told you about that behind the scenes, because your claims began to arrise a few days after we have done some changes in directions up here. That was not intended. I reacted after Luiz pointed to libreoffice.org.br... Those are the same people who could question us about that decision, or remind us to talk to you before we do that, but they prefered to do things in another way, puting you and us into a battle. I think you were involved into a fight you could solve in a different way. I think with a little piece of good will from both of us, this unpleasant situation can be reverted, BUT, I will not admit we were doing something extremely wrong. Oh I don't think you were doing something extremely wrong, that's not what I would call it, but it was still wrong in several respects and we feel it could have led to other wrong things. Maybe we had made some decisions that were mistaken because of the lack of contributors in some areas, including those who could question the decision of using libreoffice brand in the domain name. But again: you could question us in a different manner, and we would be happy to fix our mistakes, as we have already done. You have to notice that we are abruptly switching many of our contents and mailing lists right now, harming a lot of contributors and users, because of YOUR requests. This harm is much more deeper for us than the harm for TDF of waiting a little more time to request the ownership and the redirection of that domains. But it is being done because of your urgency and your distrust on us. You could also have requested us a schedule for this to be done, but you prefered to force us into a extreme situation. That's OK. It doesn't matter anymore. It's done. thank you. I hope you understand the difference better now. Also, I would like, as another general comment, to remind you and everyone that Claudio is also part of the core team of TDF. I am surprised that he hasn't been more active on this particular topic. That's just my feeling, perhaps I'm wrong. TDF does not take sides, were it between ALTA and Colibre. Frankly we can't, we shouldn't, we won't. It's not our job. The situation is what it is, it's unfortunate, but we want to deal with the Brazilian community as a whole. It's a very tempting for you or others, to think TDF will take sides, even secretly. What TDF wants is to work and help the community work, that's it. We're not interested in local fightings, and should I need to write it again, the Brazilian community is most welcome here. It is your home. I am also surprised about the lack of participation of Olivier in this discussion. Claudio has his own personal problems and I can't speak for him. And, in fact, it seems there's only me in here, trying to show you what was happening and I am NOT a TDF member. Even other Brazilian TDF members aren't here. There are you, TDF founders, and me, an ordinary contributor. I say again: I am just a *volunteer* who loves to contribute to Libreoffice. So again, we're volunteers here. I am NOT looking for a job or a good
Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 07:25 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi all, Cor Nouws wrote (28-04-11 17:55) drew wrote (30-03-11 15:27) Maybe interesting as draft for other languages too? I can provide English translation (roughly of course). A good idea idea I suppose. If you would do the rough translation, and make editable source available of course, I am sure someone will do what ever small cleanup is necessary. [ only 28 day's later ;-) ] pls find my translation to English here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/nl#Materiaal Ahum :-) Next Thursday I'm invited to do a presentation on migrations. Will take a little pile of flyers with me. So if people have suggestions, remarks, that I can include: pls let me know. (After all, the flyer as it is now, is only a first version, and intended to evolve.) H Cor, and 7 days almost on my side - sorry. I pulled it down and started some changes to the English - I didn't play with any graphics on this one, so all I can offer for your excursion tomorrow is - Best wishes. //drew ps - I'll push the version I'm editing up to the wiki and follow up with a link to this thread a bit later. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi webmaster, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote (10-05-11 19:26) I downloaded the English version of the pamphlet linked above, but it does not seem to work properly. The images seem to be covered partly with a white column, or something. I guess that is the text area marker, visible over the images in editing mode. If you go to the North American DVD portal, and go down the page on the right hand side, you will find the pamphlet that I have on my computer. [...] Thanks, looks nice too. But is much longer than the other flyer. The flyer I started has as purpose: - small enough, that it cannot hold too much technical details; - long enough, so that it can answer most important basic questions and point to further info - as an easy hand out as first intro/pointer for each that says LibreOffice, what is that? So it contains much less info than your three-fold. I 'll point the Dutch language community to the three-fold too, so they can pick it up as well. Thanks, Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi Drew, drew wrote (12-05-11 00:18) and 7 days almost on my side - sorry. Really no problem. Thanks for taking action :-) I pulled it down and started some changes to the English - I didn't play with any graphics on this one, so all I can offer for your excursion tomorrow is - Best wishes. Thanks! ps - I'll push the version I'm editing up to the wiki and follow up with a link to this thread a bit later. I'll look at it - the changes can be inspiring/valuable for us too. Cor -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi Charles, Paulo, all, I don't know you, Paulo, very well, but reading your postings shows me that you care for both, the Brazilian and the international LibreOffice community. I know Charles much better - he works hard to support the LibreOffice community, he has experienced quite negative effects of words and actions in the past, first for OpenOffice.org, now for LibreOffice, and he wants to avoid such effects wherever he finds signs that might lead in this direction. And - he tries to be quite clear in his wording, leading to the impression that he doesn't care about the perception and feelings of the people he talks to. But what I wanted to add here in the thread is something different: Charles-H. Schulz schrieb: Paulo, Le Wed, 11 May 2011 11:42:02 -0300, Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@gmail.com a écrit : 2011/5/11 Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Hello Paulo, Hello. TDF will be satisfied when the whole community will be healthy and able to contribute to LibreOffice. I'm not sure what you mean with healthy and able to contribute to LibreOffice. I am telling you, since the begining of this mess, we ARE healthy, contributing and doing our job. I really still don't understand why you refuse to agree with that. The proof is in TDF wiki and websites, but I won't insist in this matter anymore, also. If you have a web browser and Google Translate, you can easily see it by yourself. Do it! Paulo: calm down. :-) don't take each of my sentences as an attack. What I mean by a healthy community is a community that does not have open quarrels and arguments such as... the brazilian community. You tell me the community is healthy, but it's not so clear to me. (and there again I have to stop commenting because it quickly stops being TDF's business). That's not true in my eyes. TDF as the international LibreOffice community *is* interested in every regional team working to further LibreOffice as product and as community. If there are issues, where the international community can help, we want to be involved. We've been telling this several times privately and on the mailing lists (e.g. after the announcement of dropping the BrOffice.org name and switching to LibreOffice). But our help is limited. Interpersonal issues should be able to be solved among the people involved. Decisions inside a local team or community about the tools they use and the way they work together should not involve the international community, unless they lead to problems in the relationship to the international community or restrictions to work with the international tools. This has been my concern with the wrong mailing list (Gubros) and the wrong domain (.org.br). It was not clear to me (and others looking from the outside) that both are interim solutions on your way from an mostly independent BrOffice community to the Brazilian part of the international LibreOffice community. Reading that there are people in Brazil trying to keep up their independent community without seeing the positive aspects of being part of the international community leads to sad feelings: LibreOffice *is* international, and even if everybody is free to decide how to work and discuss, we experienced something similar in the past: Single persons or groups tried to draw interested newcomers or community members away from this international team, towards a working area with different focus. They used our infrastructure, pointed to their mailing lists instead of the official ones and so on. Everybody should have the chance to contribute to LibreOffice directly - neither filtered by an NGO (as BrOffice times are over, I don't need any prove or denial in this area), nor redirected to different websites or mailing lists. That's the reason why I want to see a clear statement on the website and in the wiki describing the .org.br website as interim solution until the content has been moved to the pt-br website. If the website would contain a heading like we're moving the content of this site to our new home http://pt-br.libreoffice.org; and the broffice.org site would lead to this page too, I'm sure the Steering Committee would allow to use the external page for the time needed. Of course you can link to resources on the interim site from each pt-br webpage (like For more content ., please have a look at our old website, until the migration has been finished). I think a prominent link from the main page to libreoffice.org.br might help your users not to feel lost in the transition, and this should not be a problem if the goal would be mentioned here too. For the mailing list (Luiz told us, that you are already moving) I hope transistion is easier. I don't mind at all, if the well known list is still active. But everybody should know that the people interested in LibreOffice and being part of the international community use the other list - like you already
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew I'm very curious to know what the criterion for immediate her acceptance. And the Paulo refused. Most translations of the Brazilian portal (pt-br.libreoffice.org) was that he didand other contributors, but who signed? I answer: Eliane and Gustavo and Olivier... You know why only Olivier translates LibreOffice (l10n)to Brazilian portuguese? Because he does not let anyone else help. Now, Rogério Luz is trying to help. But I think it is not easy. Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
Hi :) I think we need those 4 people to act as the Named Contacts for Paulo and others. Note that when the form asked for 2 contact people to confirm it need those 2 people to already be members. So, a lot of people are going to have to try re-applying a few times until we can get everyone in. It will become easier as more people become properly registered but it's a bit of a pain trying to fulfil German Company Law. Note that there are probably other official members that could be your named contacts but people inside your community might be better placed to help so ask around. I think that is 1 reason why there has been a request for a list on the website = so that it's easier to find someone that might be keen willing to act as yur named person. I'm not a member yet either :( Regards from Tom :) From: luiz lcolui...@gmail.com To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 12 May, 2011 2:25:59 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew I'm very curious to know what the criterion for immediate her acceptance. And the Paulo refused. Most translations of the Brazilian portal (pt-br.libreoffice.org) was that he didand other contributors, but who signed? I answer: Eliane and Gustavo and Olivier... You know why only Olivier translates LibreOffice (l10n)to Brazilian portuguese? Because he does not let anyone else help. Now, Rogério Luz is trying to help. But I think it is not easy. Luiz Oliveira -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Le 2011-05-11 18:21, drew a écrit : Hi Tim, others Just to let you know - I've taken the tri-fold pamphlet you mention there and reworked it, for the scatter branding. (That and I really did not like the 'dental chart' on the inside..) You can find the results here: http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-11a.pdf (.odt is sitting next to it) If I don't get any 'could you change' type feedback, then I'll go ahead and push this to the wiki (pdf and odt) Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Simple general LibreOffice flyer (WAS Re: Document Freedom Day Artwork)
Hi Drew et al Sorry about the previous post. I hit the wrong button. Le 2011-05-11 18:21, drew a écrit : Hi Tim, others Just to let you know - I've taken the tri-fold pamphlet you mention there and reworked it, for the scatter branding. (That and I really did not like the 'dental chart' on the inside..) You can find the results here: http://lo-portal.us/temp/LibOPamphlet-may-11a.pdf (.odt is sitting next to it) If I don't get any 'could you change' type feedback, then I'll go ahead and push this to the wiki (pdf and odt) Thanks Drew Thanks for doing this Drew. I think we need to review all of the marketing tools and add the scatter wherever we can. It just jazzes up everything really well. The only comments I have is p.1, 3rd panel The Multi-language office suite for should be capitalized as it is a title and looks a little unbalanced. Would it be OK to put: Multi-Language Office Suite for Microsoft Window Gnu/Linux Mac OSX This would give it a triangular shape, lead the reader to the bottom LibreOffice logo and I think it would look nicer to the eye. If we do this, then we would want to copy this list order on p.2, panel 1 and have: MS Windows, Gnu/Linux, Mac OS X Thanks for doing this. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brazilian domains
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 22:25 -0300, luiz wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 17:17 +, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: And this recalls another concern of ours: there are 4 brazilians as TDF members/founders. I count 3: Claudio, David and Olivier. Eliane Domingos is the fourth. //drew Hi Luiz. It was simply that I knew there was at least four members from Brasil - I recalled seeing a blog by Olivier Hallot on the subject. http://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2011/05/novo-membro-da-document-foundation.html You are going places in your reply however where I have no business going. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
