[libreoffice-marketing] Re: donation page
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-11-15 18:33: Please CC me on replies, since I'm not subscribed to the list, and can't follow all lists in linear time [ as you do so curse reply-to: mangling please ;-]. done. ;-) Reply-to-mangling is a topic on the moderators list, and I hope to have a fix in place soon. The donate page looks substantially better these days - which is I simply forwarded all challenge-pages to the donation page at the LibreOffice site itself, so we at least remove the we don't need any more money notion. ;-) encouraging. I suggest we add the pretty piggy-bank logo on the download page, at the bottom/right to point at this page too as/when we have polished it up. Cc'ing the website list, as I like that idea. Can someone have a look on this? I think the current text is rather good. I'd sort the SPI link to the top though, and the flatr link below paypal, and have some side-by-side divs with the huge Fries Office address bank details block on the right. Hopefully that'll get it into a single page. Sounds good. Same question here, Cc'ing the website list: Anyone wants to work on that? I also think that something graphical would be really helpful here; a single rotating image as on the front-page, with a caption of: how we spend your money - with a selection of a pictures: Image / embedded caption: Munich Hack-Fest - hack fests to work on the code Paris / LibreOffice conf - conferences to co-ordinate and excite generic? server hardware - hardware to host infrastructure Italo at some conference - travel subsidy for speakers ODF plug-fest picture - standards work to enhance ODF That's exactly what we wanted, indeed. Showing how we actually spend the money. I consider a general polishing up of the page plus linking from the download site most crucial, but the above proposal would be a very nice addendum to that, so... volunteers? ;-) Or somesuch ? if people agree, I can help put the images together and make a mess of them to the point that someone clueful is provoked to do it right ? :-) :) Wrt. the text, I'd move the we prefer volunteers rubric from the bottom up, and say: You are encouraged to send cash donations by one of these channels or somesuch, with a bit more cosmetic text tweaking as we put it in place. How does that sound ? +1 Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges
On Saturday 19 November 2011, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Here is my thought. A certification course should/could be using some type of step by step training guide. Each section of that guide must be completed successfully before you can go on to the next section. Once you completed all the sections, you are given an exam. Completing the course and getting the required score on the exam should/could be the requirement for the certification. This seems reasonable for the certification part. But these community colleges do not usually provide any certificates to the students. Their purpose is to help people who want improve their skills in various areas (computing, languages, hobbies), not to provide any formal recognition. There are some exceptions but mostly people attend these courses just for fun and not for professional skills. My question was more about whether those who organise these courses need to be certified before we can list their courses in local LibreOffice event calendars etc. I'm definitely for requiring such certification from professional IT training companies. But community colleges seem to fall into complete different category and I have no idea on what to do with them. Harri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges
On 11/20/2011 08:02 AM, Harri Pitkänen wrote: On Saturday 19 November 2011, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Here is my thought. A certification course should/could be using some type of step by step training guide. Each section of that guide must be completed successfully before you can go on to the next section. Once you completed all the sections, you are given an exam. Completing the course and getting the required score on the exam should/could be the requirement for the certification. This seems reasonable for the certification part. But these community colleges do not usually provide any certificates to the students. Their purpose is to help people who want improve their skills in various areas (computing, languages, hobbies), not to provide any formal recognition. There are some exceptions but mostly people attend these courses just for fun and not for professional skills. My question was more about whether those who organise these courses need to be certified before we can list their courses in local LibreOffice event calendars etc. I'm definitely for requiring such certification from professional IT training companies. But community colleges seem to fall into complete different category and I have no idea on what to do with them. Harri Well, the community college nearest my location is different. They offer several course structures that will prepare you for a certification. Both computer hardware and computer software types. Last time I looked, they had A+, CISCO, plus other groups of courses that would prepare you for different certification tests. They did not give the tests, but train your so you would be ready to take them. As for making sure the instructors were certified to teach the students, well, if you have a manual that gives the student the needed information to pass the test, then any professional who can teach should be able to help the students learn the needed information. Such a manual must have all the information, sample test questions, and practice exercises that will give the students the required hands-on skills. As for making the teachers be certified, well that is the chicken and the egg for you. How do the teachers learn the needed info to be certified when you must have a certification course be taught by a certified teacher? If the teacher is a professional, and has the skills to teach, then all we can do for the first few years is hope they teach the material correctly from the certification manual. After there have been a few certification classes, then we can require the teachers to have their certification. Maybe require the teacher to become certified with their class at the first testing opportunity after their class[s] finished the full course[s] of the preparation. I still think we need a class on each module of LibreOffice. Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Base, Math, and Macros in there somewhere. We could use the current documentation as the starting point for the preparation manuals. Then add sample questions [with answer keys], and practice exercises to work on those need hands-on skills. As a former Substitute teacher [3 years], and someone who has gone to college 4 times with 3 degrees, I do have some knowledge about what is needed to teach a class certification style of courses and creating the needed practice environment. I had to create the first network technology practice lab for my last college degree, for the professor before the first class ever started. He had the book skills and was a professional in the large-scale networking field, but he was not skilled in taking the scrap computers he was given and turn them into a working set of computers on a working network. So, I do know what it is like to have a instructor that does not have all of the skills to set up the course materials, but who could teach the course. As long as we give the instructors all the needed materials [PDF documents] to teach the material and practice what is taught, then we have done the hardest part of the work for them. Maybe someone should buy the certification books for MS's packages. See how they set up their certification courses. Also look into the other one that deal with software packages or technology certifications. They should know how to produce the needed instructional manuals. We can take their manuals as a guide to creating our manuals. This is a hard job. But if we get this right, then it will be easy for those who want/need certification to learn the needed material to pass the testing. Of course we could do something stupid like a job recruiter that required an individual have at least 10 years experience in computer languages from his list, when 2 on his list of 5 were not even beyond the developers' stage for more than 5 years. I actual saw an ad for such a requirements about 20 years ago. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges
Good evening All, if i am not mistaken there is something similar to this for the EU on MS office with is ECDL (European Computer Driving license), do you think we could base it off to some what like the ECDL curriculum for the libreoffice modules? if so would it also be a good idea to ask for assistance by the EU? -- Warren Camilleri Founding Father Mobile: +356 7991 2004 Skype: ossmalta | Twitter: warren_oss Also a member of MLUG, The Document Foundation, Ubuntu Malta - Original Message - From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 20 November, 2011 4:07:37 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice training in local community colleges On 11/20/2011 08:02 AM, Harri Pitkänen wrote: On Saturday 19 November 2011, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: Here is my thought. A certification course should/could be using some type of step by step training guide. Each section of that guide must be completed successfully before you can go on to the next section. Once you completed all the sections, you are given an exam. Completing the course and getting the required score on the exam should/could be the requirement for the certification. This seems reasonable for the certification part. But these community colleges do not usually provide any certificates to the students. Their purpose is to help people who want improve their skills in various areas (computing, languages, hobbies), not to provide any formal recognition. There are some exceptions but mostly people attend these courses just for fun and not for professional skills. My question was more about whether those who organise these courses need to be certified before we can list their courses in local LibreOffice event calendars etc. I'm definitely for requiring such certification from professional IT training companies. But community colleges seem to fall into complete different category and I have no idea on what to do with them. Harri Well, the community college nearest my location is different. They offer several course structures that will prepare you for a certification. Both computer hardware and computer software types. Last time I looked, they had A+, CISCO, plus other groups of courses that would prepare you for different certification tests. They did not give the tests, but train your so you would be ready to take them. As for making sure the instructors were certified to teach the students, well, if you have a manual that gives the student the needed information to pass the test, then any professional who can teach should be able to help the students learn the needed information. Such a manual must have all the information, sample test questions, and practice exercises that will give the students the required hands-on skills. As for making the teachers be certified, well that is the chicken and the egg for you. How do the teachers learn the needed info to be certified when you must have a certification course be taught by a certified teacher? If the teacher is a professional, and has the skills to teach, then all we can do for the first few years is hope they teach the material correctly from the certification manual. After there have been a few certification classes, then we can require the teachers to have their certification. Maybe require the teacher to become certified with their class at the first testing opportunity after their class[s] finished the full course[s] of the preparation. I still think we need a class on each module of LibreOffice. Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw, Base, Math, and Macros in there somewhere. We could use the current documentation as the starting point for the preparation manuals. Then add sample questions [with answer keys], and practice exercises to work on those need hands-on skills. As a former Substitute teacher [3 years], and someone who has gone to college 4 times with 3 degrees, I do have some knowledge about what is needed to teach a class certification style of courses and creating the needed practice environment. I had to create the first network technology practice lab for my last college degree, for the professor before the first class ever started. He had the book skills and was a professional in the large-scale networking field, but he was not skilled in taking the scrap computers he was given and turn them into a working set of computers on a working network. So, I do know what it is like to have a instructor that does not have all of the skills to set up the course materials, but who could teach the course. As long as we give the instructors all the needed materials [PDF documents] to teach the material and practice what is taught, then we have done the hardest part of the work for them. Maybe someone should buy the certification books for MS's packages. See how they set up
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice training in local community colleges
Hi Harri Le 2011-11-20 08:02, Harri Pitkänen a écrit : My question was more about whether those who organise these courses need to be certified before we can list their courses in local LibreOffice event calendars etc. I'm definitely for requiring such certification from professional IT training companies. But community colleges seem to fall into complete different category and I have no idea on what to do with them. Harri I can't seem any problem listing these events on any calendar. The people organizing such events should be thanked for taken on such tasks. If you list them, maybe leave a note that the courses do not lead to any certification and that, as you say, are interest courses where participants are taught introductory applications on the practical use of LibreOffice. It's always nice to hear of groups taking on this job. This will help us getting the word out and that we support communities at all levels. Our official calendar is on the wiki.[1] Cheers, Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice training in local community colleges
Le 2011-11-20 21:47, Marc Paré a écrit : I can't seem any problem listing these events on any calendar. The people organizing such events should be thanked for taken on such tasks. Sorry, that first sentence should read: I can't see any problem listing these events on any calendar. The people organizing such events should be thanked for taking on such tasks. I was just too fast on hitting the send button. [smile] Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
