Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Le mercredi 24 avril 2013 à 10:48 +0530, Kannan Moudgalya a écrit : Dear All, I have changed the subject head to focus on the topic of discussion. Do we already have a similar product using open source software components only? If not, what will it take to put together such a product? We are in the process of formulating a strategy to counter this diktat. Many FOSS groups in India are also looking into this matter. An alternate solution based on FOSS will possibly the most potent weapon in the hands of FOSS activists. I would like to end this mail with a positive thought: this diktat and the expected challenges will increase the FOSS awareness in India. Regards, Kannan On 20/04/13 6:03 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 04/20/2013 04:11 AM, goldf...@aol.in wrote: Hi, I feel LibreOffice has much more value than competing products. I find this very sad news: AICTE Makes Microsoft Office 365 Mandatory For Technical Colleges In India! - http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=104544 Could we please educate 'educational' institutions so that they have more value, save money and hopeful give back to LO. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Schools teach MSO since most businesses use MSO. The same with Windows OS. Well, businesses are needing more and more tech people with Linux abilities. So the MS stronghold of the operating systems of business is getting weaker since businesses need Linux OS more and more to run their businesses. So, as more and more businesses make the move to LibreOffice over MSO, then there will be a need of experienced LO users. That will start making schools realize that to compete, they will need to teach courses that include LO. We need to show that LibreOffice is gaining a foothold in the office suite market. National governments, regional [city] governments, and large businesses are switching to LO over MSO. So gathering a list of these major switchers, and not just articles that would take time to read, would be a good start. If you can show a school, business, or local government, a list of these governments, businesses, and others, that have made the switch to LO, that can show a school that there is a market for trained LO users. The more proof we have that LO is making inroads into the office suite, the more help we will have to show others that LO is a package that is growing and you should look into it to see why governments, businesses, and others are switching. With that proof of LO's growing market share, taken from MSO, schools should see that MSO is no longer the only office suite package that should be taught in their courses. I do not know if we can get them to have courses dedicated only to LO, but they should include it in their teaching about how to use office suites. It will take time. -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Magazine 4 and CONSEGI
Le 23/04/13 08:19 AM, Eliane Domingos de Sousa a écrit : Dear all, I'm happy to announce the fourth release of Brazilian LibreOffice Magazine. I wanna thanks all the collaborators of this edition. Marc Paré was interviewed and the document about migration from Italo Vignolli was translated for Portuguese. Thanks a lot! The magazine is only in Portuguese for while. PDF file: http://dc614.4shared.com/download/XnQb9rEQ/LM-ED04.pdf ODG file: http://dc244.4shared.com/download/Qafjeiom/LM-ED04.odg The magazine is produced only in free software. Diagramation: LibreOffice Draw Cover page: Inkscape Image treatment: Gimp OS: Ubuntu The theme of the cover of this edition is the event CONSEGI (International Congress of Free Software and eGovernment). In this event, will be hosted the first National LibreOffice. This is a great event and our expectation of the public is 6,000 people. In this event, we'll bring a TDF member as internacional representant and we're really happy with this. These are the most recent news from Brazil. Best, Thanks for the great magazine once again! It looks and seems to read well (sorry I do not read/write Portuguese but my FR and ES help a bit). Ahem ... OK ... I am a little biased on this particular issue. :-) Nice job and congrats to the BR-PT team! Obrigado! Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
MS is giving this solution to India free of cost! Kannan On 24/04/13 7:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
They do it in France as well and in many other countries. The cost is one argument, but then there can be other arguments on costs as well. This being said, there are plenty of policy arguments to counter that. best, Charles. Le mercredi 24 avril 2013 à 20:26 +0530, Kannan Moudgalya a écrit : MS is giving this solution to India free of cost! Kannan On 24/04/13 7:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English http://scilab.in/Textbook_Companion_Project http://scilab.in/Lab_Migration_Project -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office
Hi :) They are kinda like a reverse Robin Hood. Taking from the poor and giving to the rich. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 17:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Indian academic institutions forced to use MS Office They do it in France as well and in many other countries. The cost is one argument, but then there can be other arguments on costs as well. This being said, there are plenty of policy arguments to counter that. best, Charles. Le mercredi 24 avril 2013 à 20:26 +0530, Kannan Moudgalya a écrit : MS is giving this solution to India free of cost! Kannan On 24/04/13 7:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 24/04/13 08:34 AM, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Dear Kannan, I think your question is: do we have an online version of Libreoffice ? Full answer, we will, there's a prototype anyone can run (instructions on the wiki), we just need resources to make sure we have a fully dedicated team to fully develop it. This LibreOffice OnLine is not distinct from LibreOffice software itself (you can configure it as a server platform) and anyone with a reasonably sized server will be able to use it and have several users run it in their browser. If your question is : do we have a whole FOSS desktop stack, we don't, and we're not looking to have one. I agree with your latest comments though, and I again invite interested people/teams who are in contact with existing decision makers in ICT and education to ping me and we'll open a private mailing list for advocacy/policy coordination. best, Charles. Taking as example, our school system in Canada. I have been a FOSS advocate for over a decade if not more and also sat on a committee called ESC (Elementary Software Committee) with my school board (for even longer) where we evaluated software destined to elementary school use. Our ESC committee also worked cooperatively with our IT staff making sure that any acquisitions did not take down our servers nor compromised them. In short, our ESC in conjunction with the IT staff were pretty well the deciding group for software purchases and adoptions. At present, we do use some FOSS software but not LibreOffice. As we are all aware, moving to LibreOffice in some geographical regions is quite difficult due to the MSO penetration within these markets. From my point of view, the only way that we could budge the elephant, would be to question the financial reasoning and logic behind using an expensive suite which often will cost between $35-50/seat per module (in Canada and most likely in the US). As most board of educations (in Canada) are financially accountable to a publicly elected School BoD, then our main option would be of demonstrating publicly the fact that, feature for feature LibreOffice offers the same educational advantages as MSO. If it were demonstrated publicly that LibreOffice at the primary level offered the same identical benefits as MSO BUT without its expensive cost, and, if we could demonstrate the LibreOffice suite was easily integrated on their server stacks, then, public pressure would mount with demands to the school boards of adopting the LibreOffice suite as their main teaching tool at the primary level. If we were to mount a public ad campaign, in national, provincial and community newspapers, for example, starting with the most populous province in Canada, we could most likely start a wave of LibreOffice adoption throughout that province. Once the wave starts in a populous province, it then become difficult to stem this wave from propagating to other provinces and of even crossing borders. The purpose of the ads would be to get people to discuss in public and help mount popular opinion on the savings of millions of dollars from unnecessary software. We should definitely be looking at simplifying our cloud version of LibreOffice so that educational institutions have this on their list of options. Most of these institutions have their own stacks up and working already and this is what MSO is hoping to lock them into. I don't believe that this strategy is anything new to MSO as they are most likely expecting it and hoping that we are languishing enough for them to lock their client base into their cloud services. And, yes, MS is most likely on these mailing lists and monitoring any mention of MSO and possible strategic plans being implemented on our part. Cheers, Marc -- Bridging digital divide through FOSS, Spoken Tutorials and Aakash http://aakashlabs.org/builds/genesis-reprint.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/CSI.pdf http://spoken-tutorial.org/What-is-a-Spoken-Tutorial-2-Minute-Video-English
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Magazine 4 and CONSEGI
Hello, thanks a lot to Eliane and Olivier for making possible that I can deliver a speech at CONSEGI - it's truly an honour being there, looking forward to it! ;-) Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
