Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
Hello Lera, Le Sun, 09 Nov 2014 18:52:58 +0200, Lera Goncharuk lera.goncha...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi all, I want to ask one question. Why was article “the” added to the name “The Document Foundation”? As I understood, it's not just because of grammar rules. Thank you in advance. As I was the one who originally came up with that name (although the founders had to all be in agreement with it), I may answer. It is not exactly clear why, and I probably forgot a few things sine we first started all this, but I know for sure that in English, if you say Document Foundation it will not have the same effect than if you say the Document Foundation. The definite article the puts emphasis on the rest of the name, which itself has one very generic noun document. So The Document Foundation is really THE foundation of the Document. Hope this helps, -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
В письме от 9 ноября 2014 18:33:20 пользователь Charles-H. Schulz написал: Hello Lera, As I was the one who originally came up with that name (although the founders had to all be in agreement with it), I may answer. It is not exactly clear why, and I probably forgot a few things sine we first started all this, but I know for sure that in English, if you say Document Foundation it will not have the same effect than if you say the Document Foundation. The definite article the puts emphasis on the rest of the name, which itself has one very generic noun document. So The Document Foundation is really THE foundation of the Document. Hope this helps, Hello Charles, Yes. I thought exactly that you said. Thank you. Lera -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
Hi, I need your advice concerning one problem. I try to find news about TDF and LibreOffice in order to translate and publish them in Russian news feeds every week. Most redactors cut the name 'The Document Foundation' to 'Document Foundation'. After pointing out at the fact that it is in accordance with TDF's statute and that it is a registered trademark some of them correct the name back. However, recently I met a redactor who refuse to use the full name and who omit 'The' to make the text sound 'more beautiful'. I can't convince him. In my opinion, from marketing perspective it will be reasonable to show the full name in the news. Was there any similar experience in local communities? How did they solve it? I will be very grateful for any advice. Best regards, Lera -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
On 09/11/14 23:37, Lera Goncharuk wrote: In my opinion, from marketing perspective it will be reasonable to show the full name in the news. Actually, the name of the organization is The Document Foundation with The being an integral part of the name and not a simple article (and this is the reason why The should always be capitalized). So, omitting The is not possible, under every point of view. It is not a question of improving the quality of the text, but of using the right name of the organization. Was there any similar experience in local communities? How did they solve it? I will be very grateful for any advice. I have not seen a similar problem in any language based on the roman alphabet. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
Hello Italo, В письме от 9 ноября 2014 23:52:55 пользователь Italo Vignoli написал: Actually, the name of the organization is The Document Foundation with The being an integral part of the name and not a simple article (and this is the reason why The should always be capitalized). So, omitting The is not possible, under every point of view. It is not a question of improving the quality of the text, but of using the right name of the organization. It is clear. I started to convince this redactor with this argument. Lera -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] definite article in the name “The Document Foundation”
On 11/09/2014 01:29 PM, Lera Goncharuk wrote: В письме от 9 ноября 2014 18:33:20 пользователь Charles-H. Schulz написал: Hello Lera, As I was the one who originally came up with that name (although the founders had to all be in agreement with it), I may answer. It is not exactly clear why, and I probably forgot a few things sine we first started all this, but I know for sure that in English, if you say Document Foundation it will not have the same effect than if you say the Document Foundation. The definite article the puts emphasis on the rest of the name, which itself has one very generic noun document. So The Document Foundation is really THE foundation of the Document. Hope this helps, Hello Charles, Yes. I thought exactly that you said. Thank you. Lera With The in front of the name, it implies that it is the best of what it does. Having TDF as the abbreviation, it makes that statement an emphasis to the fact that it is Th'E' one and only or the best. I am glad it made it into the name. The only issue for grammar would be the double the in the line using the proper full name use with the content like this is the that - i.e. - We see the The Documentation Foundation growing as its product LibreOffice becoming even more popular. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
