[libreoffice-marketing] design overhaul

2011-02-17 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey folks,

as far as I have followed the development so far it seems that both logo and
icons (which make the gross of our branding) for the current release (3.3)
have been used quite extensively and seem to be the ones we will settle on
in the long run. I still want to share some thoughts about that.

1. What happened to the community branding? As the current logo has been
used so much, I must say that I want to speak *against* changing it again.
2. The wiki branding site is still full of ideas for logos, mascots, icons
etc. and it seems as if nothing is decided yet. And this is the official
position, isn't it? Having said that, I'd like to encourage you (us) to
somehow finalize the branding. There are so many great artists (see the
wallpaper renders of the icons) who use, yes, which drafts? - The official
one? The ones they like most? - for their work. I think it would be better
if we had a clear decision regarding branding, and that as soon as possible.
3. There is no central place to look for resources (yes, since we haven't
decided upon an official version yet, I begin to repeat myself). The
wallpaper renders, for example, where are the source files for these icons?
They look like Bernhard's, but even better. *They *should be the ones used
in the application.

Now some minor issues which I still don't like about the current official
files.
1. The LibreOffice still has no proper ligatures. From a typographic point
of view the text looks cheap.
2. There is no proper spacing/connection between logo and logo text:
http://tinyurl.com/6kt8n8q
For me logo and text look like two distinct parts. There are several reasons
for this. The edges on the logo are rounded while the text has sharp ones.
The lines of text and logo are not the same width.
3. I don't like the emboss effect on the contemporary color version (while
this might be my personal opinion, I still want you to consider that for a
second. In my eyes it just looks like a cheap gimp filter added to the
normal version).

As far as I can remember, we thought about starting work on the official
branding after 3.3 is released. I am willing to spend some time on this
issue over the next few months, but only if we can decide upon a goal in
this discussion.

Thanks,
Joey

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] design overhaul

2011-02-17 Thread Bernhard Dippold

Hi Joey, all!

You're totally that we want to go on with the Community Design.

But this will happen on the design list, not on marketing.

So please: everybody interested in this task: Join our Design Team.

The Kick-Off for the Design Team has reached it's third step: 
Introduction of the Team Members:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off#Step_3:_Introduction_of_the_Team_Members

The Community Design is one of the main points in Step 7 - probably to 
be started in a few weeks, while the steps in-between are necessary to 
be solved before.


CC'ing the design list, so the people there are aware of this mail...

Best regards

Bernhard

(for the design list I keep the full quote)


Johannes Bausch schrieb:

Hey folks,

as far as I have followed the development so far it seems that both logo and
icons (which make the gross of our branding) for the current release (3.3)
have been used quite extensively and seem to be the ones we will settle on
in the long run. I still want to share some thoughts about that.

1. What happened to the community branding? As the current logo has been
used so much, I must say that I want to speak *against* changing it again.
2. The wiki branding site is still full of ideas for logos, mascots, icons
etc. and it seems as if nothing is decided yet. And this is the official
position, isn't it? Having said that, I'd like to encourage you (us) to
somehow finalize the branding. There are so many great artists (see the
wallpaper renders of the icons) who use, yes, which drafts? - The official
one? The ones they like most? - for their work. I think it would be better
if we had a clear decision regarding branding, and that as soon as possible.
3. There is no central place to look for resources (yes, since we haven't
decided upon an official version yet, I begin to repeat myself). The
wallpaper renders, for example, where are the source files for these icons?
They look like Bernhard's, but even better. *They *should be the ones used
in the application.

Now some minor issues which I still don't like about the current official
files.
1. The LibreOffice still has no proper ligatures. From a typographic point
of view the text looks cheap.
2. There is no proper spacing/connection between logo and logo text:
http://tinyurl.com/6kt8n8q
For me logo and text look like two distinct parts. There are several reasons
for this. The edges on the logo are rounded while the text has sharp ones.
The lines of text and logo are not the same width.
3. I don't like the emboss effect on the contemporary color version (while
this might be my personal opinion, I still want you to consider that for a
second. In my eyes it just looks like a cheap gimp filter added to the
normal version).

As far as I can remember, we thought about starting work on the official
branding after 3.3 is released. I am willing to spend some time on this
issue over the next few months, but only if we can decide upon a goal in
this discussion.

Thanks,
Joey




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] design overhaul

2011-02-17 Thread Johannes Bausch
Weird, I thought I'd have subscribed to the design list. Seems as if I have
cancelled the subscription by accident. And I wondered why noone works on
this stuff ^^.
Thanks Bernhard!

2011/2/17 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at

 Hi Joey, all!

 You're totally that we want to go on with the Community Design.

 But this will happen on the design list, not on marketing.

 So please: everybody interested in this task: Join our Design Team.

 The Kick-Off for the Design Team has reached it's third step: Introduction
 of the Team Members:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off#Step_3:_Introduction_of_the_Team_Members

 The Community Design is one of the main points in Step 7 - probably to be
 started in a few weeks, while the steps in-between are necessary to be
 solved before.

 CC'ing the design list, so the people there are aware of this mail...

 Best regards

 Bernhard

 (for the design list I keep the full quote)


 Johannes Bausch schrieb:

  Hey folks,

 as far as I have followed the development so far it seems that both logo
 and
 icons (which make the gross of our branding) for the current release (3.3)
 have been used quite extensively and seem to be the ones we will settle on
 in the long run. I still want to share some thoughts about that.

 1. What happened to the community branding? As the current logo has been
 used so much, I must say that I want to speak *against* changing it again.
 2. The wiki branding site is still full of ideas for logos, mascots, icons
 etc. and it seems as if nothing is decided yet. And this is the official
 position, isn't it? Having said that, I'd like to encourage you (us) to
 somehow finalize the branding. There are so many great artists (see the
 wallpaper renders of the icons) who use, yes, which drafts? - The official
 one? The ones they like most? - for their work. I think it would be better
 if we had a clear decision regarding branding, and that as soon as
 possible.
 3. There is no central place to look for resources (yes, since we haven't
 decided upon an official version yet, I begin to repeat myself). The
 wallpaper renders, for example, where are the source files for these
 icons?
 They look like Bernhard's, but even better. *They *should be the ones used
 in the application.

 Now some minor issues which I still don't like about the current
 official
 files.
 1. The LibreOffice still has no proper ligatures. From a typographic
 point
 of view the text looks cheap.
 2. There is no proper spacing/connection between logo and logo text:
 http://tinyurl.com/6kt8n8q
 For me logo and text look like two distinct parts. There are several
 reasons
 for this. The edges on the logo are rounded while the text has sharp ones.
 The lines of text and logo are not the same width.
 3. I don't like the emboss effect on the contemporary color version
 (while
 this might be my personal opinion, I still want you to consider that for a
 second. In my eyes it just looks like a cheap gimp filter added to the
 normal version).

 As far as I can remember, we thought about starting work on the official
 branding after 3.3 is released. I am willing to spend some time on this
 issue over the next few months, but only if we can decide upon a goal in
 this discussion.

 Thanks,
 Joey



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] design overhaul

2011-02-17 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Johannes!

Am Donnerstag, den 17.02.2011, 17:46 +0100 schrieb Johannes Bausch:
 Weird, I thought I'd have subscribed to the design list. Seems as if I have
 cancelled the subscription by accident. And I wondered why noone works on
 this stuff ^^.

:-) Glad to have you back!!!

Cheers,
Christoph


 2011/2/17 Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at
 
  Hi Joey, all!
 
  You're totally that we want to go on with the Community Design.
 
  But this will happen on the design list, not on marketing.
 
  So please: everybody interested in this task: Join our Design Team.
 
  The Kick-Off for the Design Team has reached it's third step: Introduction
  of the Team Members:
 
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off#Step_3:_Introduction_of_the_Team_Members
 
  The Community Design is one of the main points in Step 7 - probably to be
  started in a few weeks, while the steps in-between are necessary to be
  solved before.
 
  CC'ing the design list, so the people there are aware of this mail...
 
  Best regards
 
  Bernhard
 
  (for the design list I keep the full quote)
 
 
  Johannes Bausch schrieb:
 
   Hey folks,
 
  as far as I have followed the development so far it seems that both logo
  and
  icons (which make the gross of our branding) for the current release (3.3)
  have been used quite extensively and seem to be the ones we will settle on
  in the long run. I still want to share some thoughts about that.
 
  1. What happened to the community branding? As the current logo has been
  used so much, I must say that I want to speak *against* changing it again.
  2. The wiki branding site is still full of ideas for logos, mascots, icons
  etc. and it seems as if nothing is decided yet. And this is the official
  position, isn't it? Having said that, I'd like to encourage you (us) to
  somehow finalize the branding. There are so many great artists (see the
  wallpaper renders of the icons) who use, yes, which drafts? - The official
  one? The ones they like most? - for their work. I think it would be better
  if we had a clear decision regarding branding, and that as soon as
  possible.
  3. There is no central place to look for resources (yes, since we haven't
  decided upon an official version yet, I begin to repeat myself). The
  wallpaper renders, for example, where are the source files for these
  icons?
  They look like Bernhard's, but even better. *They *should be the ones used
  in the application.
 
  Now some minor issues which I still don't like about the current
  official
  files.
  1. The LibreOffice still has no proper ligatures. From a typographic
  point
  of view the text looks cheap.
  2. There is no proper spacing/connection between logo and logo text:
  http://tinyurl.com/6kt8n8q
  For me logo and text look like two distinct parts. There are several
  reasons
  for this. The edges on the logo are rounded while the text has sharp ones.
  The lines of text and logo are not the same width.
  3. I don't like the emboss effect on the contemporary color version
  (while
  this might be my personal opinion, I still want you to consider that for a
  second. In my eyes it just looks like a cheap gimp filter added to the
  normal version).
 
  As far as I can remember, we thought about starting work on the official
  branding after 3.3 is released. I am willing to spend some time on this
  issue over the next few months, but only if we can decide upon a goal in
  this discussion.
 
  Thanks,
  Joey
 
 
 
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