Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
I agree, it would be very useful to compare all Office products. What do you think, should that include Kingsoft Office too? Bela -- Körmöndi Béla OpenSKM Agency Kft. 1024 Budapest Kút u. 5. www.openskm.com kormondi.b...@openskm.com (+36-1)-788-6556 - Eredeti üzenet - Feladó: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Címzett: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Elküldött üzenetek: Kedd, 2011 November 15 15:25:17 Tárgy: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
On 11/16/11 12:09 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. A few thoughts: - all main office suites share over 90% of the features, and this gives Microsoft a real advantage (because the company can advertise features) but allows us to say that all features are there (this is the reality, unless you are looking for something really specific) - 80% of users access less than 10% of features (maybe less than 5%), and this makes a large number of features completely irrelevant for the majority of the users (sometimes, they do not find features just because the menu is not there, as the famous - missing - Table menu of OOo 1.0, while the feature was there, even better than MS Office) - Microsoft bets on features, because they have an higher count of them (if done on a table), although they know that features are irrelevant for the choice of the office suite - maintaining a feature to feature comparison is very time consuming, and would not bring - in my opinion - significant advantages to us, as the history of OOo shows: the awareness was key to increase downloads while features were completely irrelevant (Sun betted on features to get nothing, the community worked on awareness to get very good results) Anyway, this is just my opinion. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com phone +39.348.5653829 - VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Well, we can have the primary items listed, but then add things like Export to PDF, or other things that LO does that MSO either does not do or does not do well. What we need is a check list that shows potential users that LO does what MSO does for their documents needs, plus LO does things that MSO does not do. I have people ask me can LO do this or that. One lady thought she could not use LO on her Word documents, since only Word can do these, right?. I could not convince her that LO could do everything she did with MSO. She was suckered by Best Buy people stating she had to have MSO to work with MSO files and no free [used as it was a bad word] software can do the same work as MSO could. All she did was type letters and other documents that are the bread-and-butter work of 90% of a word processing user. Best Buy people could not be wrong, in her mind, so I must be. They just wanted her $150 basic MSO sale. If we had some documented proof on LO's abilities compared to MSO, then we can show these people that LO will work for them. I may be calling Best Buy soon and ask their manager why their tech/sales person told that lie to my friend. I have been working with computers longer than that expert has been alive, yet he gets to lie to his customers about LO cannot read/write MSO files when it has done so since it first came out. When I use to work tech support and sales for a store [for a year or so] if you were caught telling a customer that a some other product can not do something when it could, you could loose your job. Well, I do not want to go on with that thought. But, LO is in need of some documentation that compares itself with MSO, AND stating it can do all the different things that MSO does for 90% of the users of MSO and does it without costing you MSO's prices. You can download it free and download its updates for free, etc., etc.. Most people I know will not take something as true, unless you have the documentation to back it up. We need that documentation to increase our market share in the Windows OS market. We need to prove to the average Windows user that LO can do everything they want to do, and do it without paying MS's fees to do it. I just wish we could convince a PC vendor to include LO with their systems, but that might violate MS's rules that if you have Windows OS, you cannot have MS competition software on it as well. On 11/16/2011 07:44 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 11/16/11 12:09 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. A few thoughts: - all main office suites share over 90% of the features, and this gives Microsoft a real advantage (because the company can advertise features) but allows us to say that all features are there (this is the reality, unless you are looking for something really specific) - 80% of users access less than 10% of features (maybe less than 5%), and this makes a large number of features completely irrelevant for the majority of the users (sometimes, they do not find features just because the menu is not there, as the famous - missing - Table menu of OOo 1.0, while the feature was there, even better than MS Office) - Microsoft bets on features, because they have an higher count of them (if done on a table), although they know that features are irrelevant for the choice of the office suite - maintaining a feature to feature comparison is very time consuming, and would not bring - in my opinion - significant advantages to us, as the history of OOo shows: the awareness was key to increase downloads while features were completely irrelevant (Sun betted on features to get nothing, the community worked on awareness to get very good results) Anyway, this is just my opinion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
I received an email today. It looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants my opinion on how good it is. Since Symphony is based on OOo's code and now OOo is now a product of the group that created Apache, it may be that the next OOo will be coming out soon, or IBM did not wait and just did their own updating. Maybe they decided to take some of LO's coding instead of OOo's? I could be wrong, but why else would I get an email after all this time asking me how I like Symphony? Still, I am a LibreOffice user and do not think I will switch in the foreseeable future, unless the programmers of LO goes on strike or something. Oh wait, the cannot strike since they are all volunteers and dedicated volunteers never would do anything like striking. They would just make a new fork. I doubt that would happen with the way the people who are in control are so positive and want to help the programmers, marketers, and users as much as possible, unlike some open-source groups I have dealt with. So, maybe someone might want to look at Symphony and see what they have to offer. Then we can have information about OOo and Symphony compared to LibreOffice. That way we can say how much better LO is and have proof based upon the other package's performance info. I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. That way the marketers can have the info in the style that people are use to. Most package web sites have check lists showing what each version has compared to the others that they offer. MSO has one for its product line of office suites. It would be nice to see one created and maintained for LibreOffice. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
What I really was thinking about is a more detailed comparison list. This list would have things like read/write .docx files able to use JPEG 2000 image files edits PDF files list of popular formal types list of transition effects for Impress vs PowerPoint and things like that for each module of LO vs MSO and other office packages. Give details of the capabilities of LO and what it is comparing to. The lists in the link below is not detailed enough. Also it states there is not image viewer for LO. I thought Draw was a viewer and editor. It is nice to have some simple package comparisons, but more and more users are concerned with specific details about it LO or any other free package can do the specific type of work they need to do. That include file types for read/writing, importing of various image files, formulas and macros, etc., etc.. This list would show that LO exports to PDF directly, which MSO did not do the last time I used it. The idea of cross platform use - Windows, Mac, Linux OSs - is nice, but since more people will be concerned with Windows-only operation, it needs lists of operation functions, and other things that is needed by their day to day work needs. Specifics. The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. On 11/15/2011 05:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Hi :) It is possible to use the existing resource and just add to it. WIki's are fairly easy to edit although tables are a bit weird. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 23:09 What I really was thinking about is a more detailed comparison list. This list would have things like read/write .docx files able to use JPEG 2000 image files edits PDF files list of popular formal types list of transition effects for Impress vs PowerPoint and things like that for each module of LO vs MSO and other office packages. Give details of the capabilities of LO and what it is comparing to. The lists in the link below is not detailed enough. Also it states there is not image viewer for LO. I thought Draw was a viewer and editor. It is nice to have some simple package comparisons, but more and more users are concerned with specific details about it LO or any other free package can do the specific type of work they need to do. That include file types for read/writing, importing of various image files, formulas and macros, etc., etc.. This list would show that LO exports to PDF directly, which MSO did not do the last time I used it. The idea of cross platform use - Windows, Mac, Linux OSs - is nice, but since more people will be concerned with Windows-only operation, it needs lists of operation functions, and other things that is needed by their day to day work needs. Specifics. The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. On 11/15/2011 05:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is
Yes Tables in Wiki's are weird. The problem for me is I do not have any MSO copies to deal with. I already used my one trial of MSO-2010 to do some conversions from complex .docx files to the standard .doc files. I did this last years before LO ever came out. What we need is someone with both LO and MSO experience, and software, to fill in the check list comparisons people come up with. I do not use LO or MSO 2003 [when I had it] heavily or with business needs and business functions. I do more simple documents over complex ones. I do little with Calc or Impress, and almost no work with Draw. So I could not help with that either. We need people who use each module to their limits, or at least with a large number of common functions. I am not that type of user anymore. On 11/15/2011 06:12 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It is possible to use the existing resource and just add to it. WIki's are fairly easy to edit although tables are a bit weird. Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 23:09 What I really was thinking about is a more detailed comparison list. This list would have things like read/write .docx files able to use JPEG 2000 image files edits PDF files list of popular formal types list of transition effects for Impress vs PowerPoint and things like that for each module of LO vs MSO and other office packages. Give details of the capabilities of LO and what it is comparing to. The lists in the link below is not detailed enough. Also it states there is not image viewer for LO. I thought Draw was a viewer and editor. It is nice to have some simple package comparisons, but more and more users are concerned with specific details about it LO or any other free package can do the specific type of work they need to do. That include file types for read/writing, importing of various image files, formulas and macros, etc., etc.. This list would show that LO exports to PDF directly, which MSO did not do the last time I used it. The idea of cross platform use - Windows, Mac, Linux OSs - is nice, but since more people will be concerned with Windows-only operation, it needs lists of operation functions, and other things that is needed by their day to day work needs. Specifics. The linked list is a start, but having a side by side function comparison between Writer and Word, Calc and Excel, etc., is needed. On 11/15/2011 05:36 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Comparison_of_general_and_technical_information Regards from Tom :) --- On Tue, 15/11/11, Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ian Lynchianrly...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] looks like OOo based IBM Symphony wants opinion on how good it is To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 15 November, 2011, 14:25 I still think we need a check list chart comparing LO with all of the other open-source office suites, plus MS Office. I'd include Google Docs in that since it is getting more and more use, especially the spreadsheet because of the convenience of collaboration. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
