Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Listing on the ODF Alliance membership

2010-10-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
I'll see what I can do, Marc, as I'm myself the representative for the
Alliance in France.

Best,
Charles.

2010/10/29 Marc Paré 

> I think it would be nice if a member of the SC would register as a member
> of the ODF Alliance as it looks like we are not on their membership list.
> They require someone who has authority to speak on the organisation's behalf
> to sign up. You can sign up here:
>
> http://www.odfalliance.org/join.php
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
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[libreoffice-marketing] How to approach education

2010-10-29 Thread Anthony Papillion
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My local school district is looking at doing a fairly large upgrade from
MS Office 2007 to MS Office 2010 (no real reason, just the Microsoft rep
said it's time) and I'm really wanting to sell LibreOffice HARD as an
affordable alternative.

Has anyone approached education (specifically in the USA) and how did
you do it? What are the initial forays that you used and what were the
results?

Thanks,
Anthony

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Listing on the ODF Alliance membership

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 03:17, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :

I'll see what I can do, Marc, as I'm myself the representative for the
Alliance in France.

Best,
Charles.



Merci Charles.

Salut!

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption

2010-10-29 Thread Ian
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:40 +0200, Inge Wallin wrote:

Hi,

> > Or get a port of LO/OOo to cell phones!
> 
> Is that really possible?

Nothing is impossible, but it will probably be very difficult!

We are planning a certification for LO/OOo based on the European
Qualifications |framework. Do you think there would be interest in a
similar certification for Koffice? We have pretty well all the
facilities in place, government and industry endorsement, on-line
technology for recording evidence, quality assurance and certificate
delivery. It would not be a lot of work to make this fit Koffice as well
as LO/OOo. I think if an Office Suite dominates cell phone technology it
will become the next MS Office or something close to it.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ODF Alliance weblog on Document Foundation Planet

2010-10-29 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Marc Paré wrote on 2010-10-29 05.46:

Would it make sense to include the ODF Alliance weblog on the Planet? I
think it would be a great idea to lend them support and this would
affirm our support for the open document formats.

http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/

If you think this is a good idea, could you pass it along to whoever is
in charge of the Planet?


I'm open for other votes, but I would only add those closely related to 
LibO/TDF, and having a dedicated feed for that, so we have only related 
topics in the planet.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing leadership and Markeing Wiki and US Wiki

2010-10-29 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi Marc,

Marc Paré wrote on 2010-10-20 15.36:

Could we establish between ourselves who will take the lead as far as
representing the marketing group? IMHO, I believe that one or two
individuals (I prefer 2 individuals) should be elected to take the lead
as the marketing spokesperson. We will have to report back to the SC
from time to time on the direction/use/ ... of the marketing group. I
think that we should discuss this so that we can move on with a well
coordinated strategy.


we're working heavily on our infrastructure and project structure at the 
moment. Let's wait a bit more until we decide on the marketing 
leadership, but you're right, this needs to be done. For now, TDF has 
four official spokespeople: Italo, Charles, Olivier and myself.


We'll set-up some sort of marketing contacts for LibO soon, I guess.


The second area that we should be organising is the Wiki. It now has the
birthday icons on the front page. Could we ask that our leadership
identify the individuals in the marketing team be the only people
allowed to change the Marketing Wiki and any sub-pages? Our leads should
also have the ability to "lock-down" any pages when this is required. We
will also have to organise the US Marketing Wiki (as a sub-category) or
the main Marketing Wiki with similar permissions although making the
editing and lock-down priviliges only to the  US Marketing members.


Hm... I doubt that locking down a wiki is a good idea. A wiki is open 
for collaboration by anyone.


Florian

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[libreoffice-marketing] next conference call

2010-10-29 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

this is a short reminder:
Please cast your vote for our next conference call at
http://www.doodle.com/aweg6a5s6722biny

:-)

Thanks,
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to approach education

2010-10-29 Thread Gabriel Gurley

Hi Anthony,

Here would be some possible approaches I would take, just based upon  
my experiences in education.


1.  Try to find out if there are any teachers within the school  
district who are either a) already using open source software in the  
classroom  or b) have an interest in open source software such as  
LibreOffice.  If you are a parent yourself within the school district,  
asking your child's teachers for names of those who teach computer  
studies and then contacting them would be a good place to start.


2. If you find a teachers who is interesting in giving LibreOffice a  
try, first let them do so on their workstation.  Let them be convinced  
that LibreOffice is a great tool for educating their students.


3. Let the teacher ask the IT staff (perhaps with your assistance if  
they desire) if they would be willing to install LibreOffice on a  
select number of workstations, to evaluate its potential.   Giving  
more rational explanations for the desire to evaluate LibreOffice  
could help put IT staff in a less defensive posture and may warm up to  
the idea, depending on the person.  Reasons you could give include the  
software's generous licensing terms, the ability for low-income  
students to have a copy of the software for their not-so-modern  
computer at home to improve their studies, the possibility to squeeze  
a few more years of life out of the school's aging workstations, etc.   
Be sure to emphasize you wish to evaluate it, not immediately trying  
to make a district-wide move to the software in the immediate future.


The adoption of open source software, in my observations, has worked  
best when there is a genuine, organic interest from the teachers,  
administrators, students and/or IT staff.  Schools often have a number  
of mandates they have to comply with.  Figuring out a way to explain  
how open source software can help in meeting those mandates, and do it  
better than proprietary software, can go a long way toward helping in  
its adoption.  It won't be something that happens immediately.  Then  
again, like a lot of things in life, taking a slow, steady approach  
and building a solid foundation (ie people truly interested and  
convinced of open source software's potential in education) I think  
will win out in the end.


Best regards,
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My local school district is looking at doing a fairly large upgrade from
MS Office 2007 to MS Office 2010 (no real reason, just the Microsoft rep
said it's time) and I'm really wanting to sell LibreOffice HARD as an
affordable alternative.

Has anyone approached education (specifically in the USA) and how did
you do it? What are the initial forays that you used and what were the
results?

Thanks,
Anthony

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption

2010-10-29 Thread Inge Wallin
On Friday, October 29, 2010 10:18:20 Ian wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:40 +0200, Inge Wallin wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > > Or get a port of LO/OOo to cell phones!
> > 
> > Is that really possible?
> 
> Nothing is impossible, but it will probably be very difficult!
> 
> We are planning a certification for LO/OOo based on the European
> Qualifications |framework. Do you think there would be interest in a
> similar certification for Koffice? We have pretty well all the
> facilities in place, government and industry endorsement, on-line
> technology for recording evidence, quality assurance and certificate
> delivery. It would not be a lot of work to make this fit Koffice as well
> as LO/OOo. I think if an Office Suite dominates cell phone technology it
> will become the next MS Office or something close to it.

I think there would indeed be interest in such a certification.

But I must admit that I know nothing about it.  What is the purpose of the 
certification and what advantages do you get by having it?  And how much work 
is involved in getting it?

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption

2010-10-29 Thread Ian
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 14:48 +0200, Inge Wallin wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2010 10:18:20 Ian wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:40 +0200, Inge Wallin wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > > > Or get a port of LO/OOo to cell phones!
> > > 
> > > Is that really possible?
> > 
> > Nothing is impossible, but it will probably be very difficult!
> > 
> > We are planning a certification for LO/OOo based on the European
> > Qualifications |framework. Do you think there would be interest in a
> > similar certification for Koffice? We have pretty well all the
> > facilities in place, government and industry endorsement, on-line
> > technology for recording evidence, quality assurance and certificate
> > delivery. It would not be a lot of work to make this fit Koffice as well
> > as LO/OOo. I think if an Office Suite dominates cell phone technology it
> > will become the next MS Office or something close to it.
> 
> I think there would indeed be interest in such a certification.
> 
> But I must admit that I know nothing about it.  What is the purpose of the 
> certification and what advantages do you get by having it?  And how much work 
> is involved in getting it?

The certification really tells people that the holder of the certificate
is competent at a particular level in the applications. Some governments
use it to make sure training providers do provide the training because
the certification company is effectively providing independent quality
assurance. There are already vendor certifications for MSO (several) and
more general certifications such as ECDL. ECDL certificated 9 million
people last year in 43 countries. That would provide enough revenue to
employ 100 or more developers for K-Office (Or OOo or odf).

Our certification is based on the UK Qualifications and credit framework
which is government regulated and referenced to the European
Qualifications Framework which is only a couple of year old. It is
competency based so if the candidate can provide evidence that they meet
the assessment criteria they can be certificated. We authorise assessors
to do this subject to us sampling their work for consistency. The
evidence is provided via a customised Drupal CMS. 

There are some videos showing how the system works at 

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[libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi,

I'm forwarding this in case some of you are not subscribed to the info list.
Kind regards
Sophie


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Subject: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer
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To: i...@documentfoundation.org


Link to Computer Weekly article -
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/12/243295/Can-Openoffice.org-rival-Microsoft-with-Libre-Office.ht

Extract: -

"Five ways Libre Office can improve to challenge Microsoft

Rebuild community momentum and supplier ecosystem - the current
steering committee of developers and national language project
managers in charge of the foundation are unlikely to deliver the
boldness of vision and swiftness of execution required by the project
at this juncture. Suppliers need to co-operate to help the team and
push the agenda forwards.
Improve product for management for enterprise adoption - there is next
to nothing for the enterprise administrator. Openoffice.org suffers
from a lack of integration with document content as well as
collaboration systems despite a wealth of open source offerings in
these areas.
Rethink the product - rethink the product entirely and start from
scratch to create an internet-centric suite of modular, easily
embedded components.
Target developers - it also needs to promote embedding and use by
developers and companies. For example, while there are many open
source PHP scripts that enable developers to create Microsoft Office
documents, not so many of them are available to create Openoffice
ones.
Focus on innovation - Firefox was not adopted because it was free but
because it introduced new features such as multiple tabs.

Source: Laurent Lachal, analyst at Ovum"





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hey

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen


On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 16:28 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 21:56 +0200, Volker Merschmann wrote:
> > The new home is under construction, but I had a look today and think
> > it will be finished soon.
> > PrOOo-Box was the german CD-ROM-project at OOo and the people behind
> > it will try to manage it for the international LO-community. 
> 
> Thank you Volker for the answer to that question.

*ping*

> 
> May I impose with a few others? Thanks.
> 
> When you this was the OOo project isn't more appropriate to say it was
> the project of http://www.ooodev.org/ ?
> 
> On more then a few occasions in exchanges at OOo it was made clear to me
> that the organizations behind the websites was not OO.o - but was
> affiliated with it, loosely.
> 
> Will that site be changing it's name then?
> 
> Actually let me be more precise - in reading the front page of that site
> the other day it seemed to say that ooodev.org would be renaming in
> order to become the new holder of the TDF entity, legally speaking. Is
> that an accurate reading of the text there - I used a translation tool
> so it would not surprise me if I am somehow mistaken.
> 
> Thanks again for your time here, it is much appreciated.
> 
> Drew
> 
> ps - one other item I notice that ooodev.org links over to
> http://www.ooo-portal.de/
> 
> from 
> 
>  http://www.prooo-box.org/foren.html for use of a forum.
> 
> I assume that this is similar to what the CD distributor at
> http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums , where he also maintains a forum for
> install support.
> 
> Yet it is different, unless the two site ooodev and ooo-portal are run
> from the same organization, which from what I see in a different thread
> they are not.
> 
> But still I'm now wondering then is ooo-portal going to be re-branding
> also? Perhaps, as I say, you are not the correct person to ask on this
> last point.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread James Walker
Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document Foundation
family of products.

I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software, but
find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to be
easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that we
could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
foundation to help them grow.

Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and use
Thunderbird, and Lightening.

I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
contact management software.

James

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Monfort Florian
I think this is a great idea, and I was also wondering if the Scribus
project couldn't be added to it. 

After all LibreOffice doesn't provide a REAL and COMPLETE publication
solution face to INDesign, QuarkXpress etc ... Scribus is a good one,
and is free.


Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :
> Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document Foundation
> family of products.
> 
> I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software, but
> find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
> One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
> some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
> even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to be
> easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that we
> could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
> foundation to help them grow.
> 
> Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and use
> Thunderbird, and Lightening.
> 
> I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
> contact management software.
> 
> James
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ODF Alliance weblog on Document Foundation Planet

2010-10-29 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Oct 29, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Florian Effenberger 
 wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Marc Paré wrote on 2010-10-29 05.46:
>> Would it make sense to include the ODF Alliance weblog on the Planet? I
>> think it would be a great idea to lend them support and this would
>> affirm our support for the open document formats.
>> 
>> http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/
>> 
>> If you think this is a good idea, could you pass it along to whoever is
>> in charge of the Planet?
> 
> I'm open for other votes, but I would only add those closely related to 
> LibO/TDF, and having a dedicated feed for that, so we have only related 
> topics in the planet.

I like Marc's idea of including it, but Florian's point is relevant, too. Maybe 
we could add it in a sidebar on the planet, blogroll-style?

Ben
> 

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ODF Alliance weblog on Document Foundation Planet

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:39 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote:
> Maybe we could add it in a sidebar on the planet, blogroll-style?

+1




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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to approach education

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 03:33, Anthony Papillion a écrit :

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My local school district is looking at doing a fairly large upgrade from
MS Office 2007 to MS Office 2010 (no real reason, just the Microsoft rep
said it's time) and I'm really wanting to sell LibreOffice HARD as an
affordable alternative.

Has anyone approached education (specifically in the USA) and how did
you do it? What are the initial forays that you used and what were the
results?

Thanks,
Anthony



Hi Anthony:

Here is an exchange that was done previously on this mailist. You may 
find it interesting:


==

Le 2010-10-15 15:51, Casey Adams a écrit :
> Ping Mike Huffman on LinkedIn.  He managed the Indiana open desktop 
project and has since left and is doing consulting.  The project is 
probably about 5 years old and I know over 100,000 desktops have been 
deployed.

>
> Casey Adams
> OS4Ed Founder
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Marc Paré
> To: marketing@libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri Oct 15 15:43:27 2010
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] list name for the US group
>
> Le 2010-10-15 15:24, James Walker a écrit :
>
>>
>> I am all for that.  last I had heard Indiana has plans to install 
300,000
>> computers using a combination of Ubuntu, and Novell for operating 
systems.
>> I am not too sure on how many of those they have in the field at 
this time.

>>
>>
>> Check out this link for the Indiana Department of Education they 
have some

>> good information there.
>>
>> http://www.doe.in.gov/olt/InACCESS/index.html
>>
>> James Walker

==

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Frank Esposito
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Monfort Florian
wrote:

> I think this is a great idea, and I was also wondering if the Scribus
> project couldn't be added to it.
>
> After all LibreOffice doesn't provide a REAL and COMPLETE publication
> solution face to INDesign, QuarkXpress etc ... Scribus is a good one,
> and is free.
>
>
> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :
> > Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document
> Foundation
> > family of products.
> >
> > I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software,
> but
> > find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
> > One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
> > some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
> > even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to
> be
> > easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that
> we
> > could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
> > foundation to help them grow.
> >
> > Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and
> use
> > Thunderbird, and Lightening.
> >
> > I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
> > contact management software.
> >
> > James
> >
>
>
>
>

These great idea. I would also add because I think the market is still wide
open is the cloud office suite (think google docs). We could develop a
server based online office suite that is fully compatible with ODF. this
would be great for education and "virtual offices."

Another path would be mobile phones, this are is wide open for FOSS.
Android, iPhone and blackberry ports of LO.

And lastly, we could add (since we are dreaming of a family of products) a
PDF editor (like acrobat pro). This functionality is basically in Scribus.


-frank

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] ODF Alliance weblog on Document Foundation Planet

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 09:51, Drew Jensen a écrit :

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:39 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote:

Maybe we could add it in a sidebar on the planet, blogroll-style?


+1



I am OK with this too.

Marc



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hey

2010-10-29 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi Drew,

2010/10/29 Drew Jensen :
> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 16:28 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 21:56 +0200, Volker Merschmann wrote:
>> > The new home is under construction, but I had a look today and think
>> > it will be finished soon.
>> > PrOOo-Box was the german CD-ROM-project at OOo and the people behind
>> > it will try to manage it for the international LO-community.
>>
>> Thank you Volker for the answer to that question.
>
> *ping*
>
I didn't forget about this, but asked a member of the board of OOoDeV
to answer here. I will ping him too. ;-)

Bye

Volker


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hey

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:56 +0200, Volker Merschmann wrote:
> Hi Drew,
> 
> 2010/10/29 Drew Jensen :
> > On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 16:28 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 21:56 +0200, Volker Merschmann wrote:
> >> > The new home is under construction, but I had a look today and think
> >> > it will be finished soon.
> >> > PrOOo-Box was the german CD-ROM-project at OOo and the people behind
> >> > it will try to manage it for the international LO-community.
> >>
> >> Thank you Volker for the answer to that question.
> >
> > *ping*
> >
> I didn't forget about this, but asked a member of the board of OOoDeV
> to answer here. I will ping him too. ;-)
> 
> Bye
> 
> Volker


Thank you and you may as well warn him I will be asking the same
question that Jean from OOoAuthors has been asking for years - financial
disclosure - where?

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Obstacles to ODF adoption

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 04:18, Ian a écrit :

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:40 +0200, Inge Wallin wrote:

Hi,


Or get a port of LO/OOo to cell phones!


Is that really possible?


Nothing is impossible, but it will probably be very difficult!

We are planning a certification for LO/OOo based on the European
Qualifications |framework. Do you think there would be interest in a
similar certification for Koffice? We have pretty well all the
facilities in place, government and industry endorsement, on-line
technology for recording evidence, quality assurance and certificate
delivery. It would not be a lot of work to make this fit Koffice as well
as LO/OOo. I think if an Office Suite dominates cell phone technology it
will become the next MS Office or something close to it.



I believe a certification for LibO is an important step and that the 
same should be done for the N. American market and others. Is there a 
way to certification on this side of the pond?


Certification would help with establishing LibO in the educational and 
business fields in N. America.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing leadership and Markeing Wiki and US Wiki

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 04:32, Florian Effenberger a écrit :


The second area that we should be organising is the Wiki. It now has the
birthday icons on the front page. Could we ask that our leadership
identify the individuals in the marketing team be the only people
allowed to change the Marketing Wiki and any sub-pages? Our leads should
also have the ability to "lock-down" any pages when this is required. We
will also have to organise the US Marketing Wiki (as a sub-category) or
the main Marketing Wiki with similar permissions although making the
editing and lock-down priviliges only to the US Marketing members.


Hm... I doubt that locking down a wiki is a good idea. A wiki is open
for collaboration by anyone.

Florian



Locking down would only be used when, for example, working on a project 
and a time limit has been imposed. Locking it down would prevent any 
changes to that particular page and a vote/decision could be cast.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Monfort Florian
Yes the PDF editor is already in Scribus, and why not Inkscape ?

The goal would be to provide an entire work suite, so that the Document
Foundation would give all the necessary work environment needed in
education, real work situation. We need to think about everything.


Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 08:53 -0500, Frank Esposito a écrit :
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Monfort Florian
> wrote:
> 
> > I think this is a great idea, and I was also wondering if the Scribus
> > project couldn't be added to it.
> >
> > After all LibreOffice doesn't provide a REAL and COMPLETE publication
> > solution face to INDesign, QuarkXpress etc ... Scribus is a good one,
> > and is free.
> >
> >
> > Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :
> > > Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document
> > Foundation
> > > family of products.
> > >
> > > I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software,
> > but
> > > find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
> > > One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
> > > some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
> > > even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to
> > be
> > > easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that
> > we
> > > could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
> > > foundation to help them grow.
> > >
> > > Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and
> > use
> > > Thunderbird, and Lightening.
> > >
> > > I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
> > > contact management software.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> These great idea. I would also add because I think the market is still wide
> open is the cloud office suite (think google docs). We could develop a
> server based online office suite that is fully compatible with ODF. this
> would be great for education and "virtual offices."
> 
> Another path would be mobile phones, this are is wide open for FOSS.
> Android, iPhone and blackberry ports of LO.
> 
> And lastly, we could add (since we are dreaming of a family of products) a
> PDF editor (like acrobat pro). This functionality is basically in Scribus.
> 
> 
> -frank
> 



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[libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi there,

While talking with some people, we had the idea of making some interview 
with developers working on LibreOffice to publish on our site/wiki.
No long stories, but cute, catchy you know. And regularly, e.g. every 
one or two weeks.


Is there anyone on this list with maybe a little experience but anyhow 
joy in doing such interviews?


Then pls let me know and we'll get it running.

Regards,
Cor

 PS If now one volunteers, I will volunteer myself, but that might be 
bad for a regular appearance ;-)



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[libreoffice-marketing] Banner ?

2010-10-29 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi all,

I've lost the track of where the Art material is discussed, but I've a
request :-) LibO has been added to the GiantClients [1] site and they
are asking for a banner to better advertise our suite, do we have
anything I can send them to? Thanks in advance!

[1]http://www.giantclients.org/?content=partner

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Banner ?

2010-10-29 Thread Gabriel Gurley

Hi Sophie,

Here may be what you are looking for:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logos

Best regards,
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Quoting Sophie Gautier :


Hi all,

I've lost the track of where the Art material is discussed, but I've a
request :-) LibO has been added to the GiantClients [1] site and they
are asking for a banner to better advertise our suite, do we have
anything I can send them to? Thanks in advance!

[1]http://www.giantclients.org/?content=partner

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Banner ?

2010-10-29 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Gabriel,

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Gabriel Gurley
 wrote:
> Hi Sophie,
>
> Here may be what you are looking for:
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Logos

Great, thanks a lot!

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[libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 - Who will shephard - ?

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen
Hi,

Subject line says it all.

Reference DFD 2010
http://documentfreedom.org/summary.en.html

I have know idea who you contact.

Every year at OO.o this would come up, as if anew, a month before the
event - Let's not do that here.

I'm sure there are people on the list that know more details - just
looking for any info you have - maybe put it on a work page on the wiki,
and set a calendar reminder for December to poke the list with an
update.

Seems like a natural fit DFD and TDF - would like to see us be
pro-active about our involvement in 2011.

Any hands - particularly if you where one of the OOo participants in
past years, I think there are a few here.


Best wishes,

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Frank Esposito wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Monfort Florian
> wrote:
>> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :
>>> Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document
>> Foundation
>>> family of products.
>>> 
>>> I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software,
>> but
>>> find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
>>> One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
>>> some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
>>> even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to
>> be
>>> easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that
>> we
>>> could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
>>> foundation to help them grow.
>>> 
>>> Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and
>> use
>>> Thunderbird, and Lightening.
>>> 
>>> I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
>>> contact management software.
>>> 
>>> James
> 
> These great idea. I would also add because I think the market is still wide
> open is the cloud office suite (think google docs). We could develop a
> server based online office suite that is fully compatible with ODF. this
> would be great for education and "virtual offices."
> 
> Another path would be mobile phones, this are is wide open for FOSS.
> Android, iPhone and blackberry ports of LO.

I think we need to look ahead to tablets, based on iOS and Android. According 
to recent news articles, sales of iPads have made Apple the number one computer 
vendor in the USA. Thinking strategically, it looks like the developing world 
may skip PCs entirely and adopt tablets as their standard computing platform 
going forward, just like they skipped landlines in favor of mobile phones. 
Microsoft Windows will have an enormous challenge to gain any foothold in this 
market, and MS Office too. Thus, we have an opportunity to start on a level 
playing field here, without the huge inertia MS has long enjoyed. On a fair 
playing field, we will win--no question.

My strategic suggestion is that we build a "LibreOffice Touch" for Android and 
iOS tablets as the first new member of this broader family of products. Full 
ODF support will allow compatibility with LibreOffice, and consistent branding 
will help reinforce both product lines.

(As for web office suites, I researched this recently. Zimbra provides open 
source web-based docs and spreadsheets that customers can install on their own 
servers, first launched in 2006: 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/web2explorer/zimbra-launches-zimbra-documents/259  If 
we want to work in this area, collaborating with Zimbra could give us a jump 
start.)

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 - Who will shephard - ?

2010-10-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
That would be the FSFE, I think.

best,
Charles. 


Le Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:59:24 -0400,
Drew Jensen  a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> Subject line says it all.
> 
> Reference DFD 2010
> http://documentfreedom.org/summary.en.html
> 
> I have know idea who you contact.
> 
> Every year at OO.o this would come up, as if anew, a month before the
> event - Let's not do that here.
> 
> I'm sure there are people on the list that know more details - just
> looking for any info you have - maybe put it on a work page on the
> wiki, and set a calendar reminder for December to poke the list with
> an update.
> 
> Seems like a natural fit DFD and TDF - would like to see us be
> pro-active about our involvement in 2011.
> 
> Any hands - particularly if you where one of the OOo participants in
> past years, I think there are a few here.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Drew
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Monfort Florian
Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 12:13 -0400, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
> On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Frank Esposito wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Monfort Florian
> > wrote:
> >> Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :
> >>> Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document
> >> Foundation
> >>> family of products.
> >>> 
> >>> I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software,
> >> but
> >>> find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO.
> >>> One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product. and
> >>> some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
> >>> even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to
> >> be
> >>> easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that
> >> we
> >>> could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
> >>> foundation to help them grow.
> >>> 
> >>> Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and
> >> use
> >>> Thunderbird, and Lightening.
> >>> 
> >>> I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
> >>> contact management software.
> >>> 
> >>> James
> > 
> > These great idea. I would also add because I think the market is still wide
> > open is the cloud office suite (think google docs). We could develop a
> > server based online office suite that is fully compatible with ODF. this
> > would be great for education and "virtual offices."
> > 
> > Another path would be mobile phones, this are is wide open for FOSS.
> > Android, iPhone and blackberry ports of LO.
> 
> I think we need to look ahead to tablets, based on iOS and Android. According 
> to recent news articles, sales of iPads have made Apple the number one 
> computer vendor in the USA. Thinking strategically, it looks like the 
> developing world may skip PCs entirely and adopt tablets as their standard 
> computing platform going forward, just like they skipped landlines in favor 
> of mobile phones. Microsoft Windows will have an enormous challenge to gain 
> any foothold in this market, and MS Office too. Thus, we have an opportunity 
> to start on a level playing field here, without the huge inertia MS has long 
> enjoyed. On a fair playing field, we will win--no question.
> 
> My strategic suggestion is that we build a "LibreOffice Touch" for Android 
> and iOS tablets as the first new member of this broader family of products. 
> Full ODF support will allow compatibility with LibreOffice, and consistent 
> branding will help reinforce both product lines.
> 
> (As for web office suites, I researched this recently. Zimbra provides open 
> source web-based docs and spreadsheets that customers can install on their 
> own servers, first launched in 2006: 
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/web2explorer/zimbra-launches-zimbra-documents/259  
> If we want to work in this area, collaborating with Zimbra could give us a 
> jump start.)
> 
> -Ben
> 
> Benjamin Horst
> bho...@mac.com
> 646-464-2314 (Eastern)
> www.solidoffice.com
> 
> 


I totally agree with Benjamin. Anticipating the reactions of the
costumers is the best way the ensure visiblity against Microsoft, who
will work for works suites on forgotten desktops.

What's the next step ?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 - Who will shephard - ?

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 18:37 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> That would be the FSFE, I think.
> 
> best,
> Charles. 
> 

Excellent, and I expect you have contact there.

So - just thinking that if DFD timing is around March again, it is a
great opportunity.

May I then, actually too late you raised your hand first..

I set a calendar reminder to poke you first week of December, so you
could let the ML know about any date, if possible, in January.

Then way we could produce a hand-out for the LibreOffice booth in LA the
end of February.


//drew


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RE : Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 - Who will shephard - ?

2010-10-29 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ok, i'll see what i can do, don't hesitate to poke me back...
Charles.

Le 29 oct. 2010, 7:07 PM, "Drew Jensen"  a écrit :

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 18:37 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > That would be
the FSFE, I think. > > ...
Excellent, and I expect you have contact there.

So - just thinking that if DFD timing is around March again, it is a
great opportunity.

May I then, actually too late you raised your hand first..

I set a calendar reminder to poke you first week of December, so you
could let the ML know about any date, if possible, in January.

Then way we could produce a hand-out for the LibreOffice booth in LA the
end of February.


//drew

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-29 Thread Dave Johnson
I can.

Dave Johnson

On Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM, "Cor Nouws"  wrote:

Hi there,

While talking with some people, we had the idea of making some interview
with developers working on LibreOffice to publish on our site/wiki.
No long stories, but cute, catchy you know. And regularly, e.g. every one or
two weeks.

Is there anyone on this list with maybe a little experience but anyhow joy
in doing such interviews?

Then pls let me know and we'll get it running.

Regards,
Cor

 PS If now one volunteers, I will volunteer myself, but that might be bad
for a regular appearance ;-)


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[libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu 11.04 & Libre Office

2010-10-29 Thread Frank Esposito
According to this article, LO will be included in the April Ubuntu
11release, if ready.
http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/news-on-default-applications-in-ubuntu.html

I would like to make a request from the community that for the good of the
LO project, we have everything in place, (code and marketing) by that
release date.

Can we do this? It would be huge.

just my thoughts...

-frank esposito

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu 11.04 & Libre Office

2010-10-29 Thread Monfort Florian
Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 14:09 -0500, Frank Esposito a écrit :
> According to this article, LO will be included in the April Ubuntu
> 11release, if ready.
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/news-on-default-applications-in-ubuntu.html
> 
> I would like to make a request from the community that for the good of the
> LO project, we have everything in place, (code and marketing) by that
> release date.
> 
> Can we do this? It would be huge.
> 
> just my thoughts...
> 
> -frank esposito
> 


Have also read that. Can anyone say if everything will be ready on
time ? Or is that impossible to plan ?


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Dave!

Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 12:59 -0500 schrieb Dave Johnson:
> I can.
> 
> Dave Johnson

Great & thanks Dave! I don't know whether Charles had this in mind, but
I enjoyed the KDE interviews from time to time. Do you think about
something like that?
http://dot.kde.org/search/node/interview

Cheers,
Christoph

> On Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM, "Cor Nouws"  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> While talking with some people, we had the idea of making some interview
> with developers working on LibreOffice to publish on our site/wiki.
> No long stories, but cute, catchy you know. And regularly, e.g. every one or
> two weeks.
> 
> Is there anyone on this list with maybe a little experience but anyhow joy
> in doing such interviews?
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Open Source For America - Education Working Group - Hello World - kind of thing (y mah-bobby)

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen

Added your email as discussion (talking points) to the Discuss page on
the wiki

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/ed-21st-cent

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to approach education

2010-10-29 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 03:34 -0700, Gabriel Gurley wrote:
> How to approach education

Hi Gabriel,

I've copied your email up to a wiki page I'm using to gather together
material from the discussion list.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/ed-21st-cent#How_to_approach_education

Fell free to use the wiki - as a wiki - and add, edit the page how ever
you might see fit. 

Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Dave,

Dave Johnson wrote (29-10-10 19:59)

I can.

Dave Johnson


Thanks a lot Dave! I'll contact you soon for details, ideas and such,

Cor



On Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM, "Cor Nouws"  wrote:

Hi there,

While talking with some people, we had the idea of making some interview
with developers working on LibreOffice to publish on our site/wiki.
No long stories, but cute, catchy you know. And regularly, e.g. every one or
two weeks.

Is there anyone on this list with maybe a little experience but anyhow joy
in doing such interviews?

Then pls let me know and we'll get it running.

Regards,
Cor

  PS If now one volunteers, I will volunteer myself, but that might be bad
for a regular appearance ;-)





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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Michel Gagnon



Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 09:29 -0400, James Walker a écrit :

Maybe something that we should think about is creating a Document Foundation
family of products.

I would not really put more products into the main LibreOffice software, but
find and/or create additional products that enhance the usability of LO. ...
One thing we really need to think about is an email/calender product.
and some kind of project management product that easily intergrates with LO,
even if those products are ones that are out there already they need to be
easily intergrated into LO.  Are there any that have kind of staled that we
could approach the community to help them out and bring them under the
foundation to help them grow.

Of course the easy thing to do would be a partnership with Mozilla,  and use
Thunderbird, and Lightening.

I have always felt that the project has been missing email, calender and
contact management software.

James

Le 2010-10-29 09:33, Monfort Florian a écrit :

I think this is a great idea, and I was also wondering if the Scribus
project couldn't be added to it.

After all LibreOffice doesn't provide a REAL and COMPLETE publication
solution face to INDesign, QuarkXpress etc ... Scribus is a good one,
and is free.


I think LibreOffice is already a rather large suite, and the larger it 
is, the heavier it is and the harder it is to maintain and develop. So 
where shall we stop?


There are good reasons to integrate Writer, Calc and Draw (or Inskscape) 
and Impress. After all, the same individuals typically will write 
letters and reports. Those documents are likely to include calculations 
or even simple tables, charts and basic plans. It is likely that the 
same document may lead to a corporate presentation. Likewise, teachers 
may work the other way around and prepare a presentation (i.e. their 
course) and an accompanying document (i.e. course material). So it makes 
sense to integrate all those modules, and even to develop a much better 
integration so that even tables written in a document (i.e. Writer doc.) 
are done using the Calc module. Better integration should also mean that 
a nice presentation done in Impress could be imported as is and expanded 
to make the accompanying document, for example. Right now, one has to 
restyle the entire document twice: once in Impress, once in Writer.


As far as I am concerned, integrating a database into LibreOffice is not 
really essential. After all, it is not every day that one designs a 
database and writes a report within the same project. On the other hand, 
seamless data exchange between the database and Writer or Calc is essential.


On the other hand, the publication is typically done afterwards, and 
very often by a different person than the one who wrote the document. So 
the important consideration is to allow one to import the ODT document 
and make a really good printed document, and ideally to allow one to 
export the text back in ODT for future work. It would also be good to 
develop filters that allow one to import an ODT document into InDesign 
and QuarkXpress.


As for e-mail and calendar product, I find Thunderbird with Lightning a 
much better piece of software than Outlook. I also find it much easier 
to use, but my 13 other colleagues stick with Outlook 2003 and don't 
want to touch Thunderbird with a 10-ft pole. One nice feature of 
Lightning is that it allows me more than one calendar.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to approach education

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 16:07, Drew Jensen a écrit :

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 03:34 -0700, Gabriel Gurley wrote:

How to approach education


Hi Gabriel,

I've copied your email up to a wiki page I'm using to gather together
material from the discussion list.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/ed-21st-cent#How_to_approach_education

Fell free to use the wiki - as a wiki - and add, edit the page how ever
you might see fit.

Thanks

Drew




Hi Drew et al:

I had also started a discussion thread on this mailist called: "LibO in 
Education" and LibO in Academia. I was hoping to use these threads to 
collect different ideas on how to better involve LibO in education and 
how to develop more of the LibO suite to attract different educational 
groups into the LibO fold. These threads have been quite active and many 
good ideas reside on their inner threads. I will also add your comments 
to both thread and see what kind of reaction this will muster. It would 
be nice to see if Drew's wiki will also get some kind of feeback


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Academia

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré
Here is an interesting thread that was posted recently. It would be nice 
to hear of your comments.


=

Quoting Anthony Papillion :

>
> My local school district is looking at doing a fairly large upgrade from
> MS Office 2007 to MS Office 2010 (no real reason, just the Microsoft rep
> said it's time) and I'm really wanting to sell LibreOffice HARD as an
> affordable alternative.
>
> Has anyone approached education (specifically in the USA) and how did
> you do it? What are the initial forays that you used and what were the
> results?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
>
> - --
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Hi Anthony,

Here would be some possible approaches I would take, just based upon my 
experiences in education.


1.  Try to find out if there are any teachers within the school district 
who are either a) already using open source software in the classroom 
or b) have an interest in open source software such as LibreOffice.  If 
you are a parent yourself within the school district, asking your 
child's teachers for names of those who teach computer studies and then 
contacting them would be a good place to start.


2. If you find a teachers who is interesting in giving LibreOffice a 
try, first let them do so on their workstation.  Let them be convinced 
that LibreOffice is a great tool for educating their students.


3. Let the teacher ask the IT staff (perhaps with your assistance if 
they desire) if they would be willing to install LibreOffice on a select 
number of workstations, to evaluate its potential.   Giving more 
rational explanations for the desire to evaluate LibreOffice could help 
put IT staff in a less defensive posture and may warm up to the idea, 
depending on the person.  Reasons you could give include the software's 
generous licensing terms, the ability for low-income students to have a 
copy of the software for their not-so-modern computer at home to improve 
their studies, the possibility to squeeze a few more years of life out 
of the school's aging workstations, etc.  Be sure to emphasize you wish 
to evaluate it, not immediately trying to make a district-wide move to 
the software in the immediate future.


The adoption of open source software, in my observations, has worked 
best when there is a genuine, organic interest from the teachers, 
administrators, students and/or IT staff.  Schools often have a number 
of mandates they have to comply with.  Figuring out a way to explain how 
open source software can help in meeting those mandates, and do it 
better than proprietary software, can go a long way toward helping in 
its adoption.  It won't be something that happens immediately.  Then 
again, like a lot of things in life, taking a slow, steady approach and 
building a solid foundation (ie people truly interested and convinced of 
open source software's potential in education) I think will win out in 
the end.


Best regards,
Gabriel

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Education (JK-High School and NOT post grad. university/college)

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-17 08:40, Marc Paré a écrit :

Here is an interesting thread that was posted recently. It would be nice 
to hear of your comments.


=

Quoting Anthony Papillion :

>
> My local school district is looking at doing a fairly large upgrade from
> MS Office 2007 to MS Office 2010 (no real reason, just the Microsoft rep
> said it's time) and I'm really wanting to sell LibreOffice HARD as an
> affordable alternative.
>
> Has anyone approached education (specifically in the USA) and how did
> you do it? What are the initial forays that you used and what were the
> results?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
>
> - --
> Anthony Papillion
> Advanced Data Concepts
> Remote Technical Support and Software Development
>
> Office: (918) 919-4624
> Mobile: (918) 320-9968
=

Hi Anthony,

Here would be some possible approaches I would take, just based upon my 
experiences in education.


1.  Try to find out if there are any teachers within the school district 
who are either a) already using open source software in the classroom 
or b) have an interest in open source software such as LibreOffice.  If 
you are a parent yourself within the school district, asking your 
child's teachers for names of those who teach computer studies and then 
contacting them would be a good place to start.


2. If you find a teachers who is interesting in giving LibreOffice a 
try, first let them do so on their workstation.  Let them be convinced 
that LibreOffice is a great tool for educating their students.


3. Let the teacher ask the IT staff (perhaps with your assistance if 
they desire) if they would be willing to install LibreOffice on a select 
number of workstations, to evaluate its potential.   Giving more 
rational explanations for the desire to evaluate LibreOffice could help 
put IT staff in a less defensive posture and may warm up to the idea, 
depending on the person.  Reasons you could give include the software's 
generous licensing terms, the ability for low-income students to have a 
copy of the software for their not-so-modern computer at home to improve 
their studies, the possibility to squeeze a few more years of life out 
of the school's aging workstations, etc.  Be sure to emphasize you wish 
to evaluate it, not immediately trying to make a district-wide move to 
the software in the immediate future.


The adoption of open source software, in my observations, has worked 
best when there is a genuine, organic interest from the teachers, 
administrators, students and/or IT staff.  Schools often have a number 
of mandates they have to comply with.  Figuring out a way to explain how 
open source software can help in meeting those mandates, and do it 
better than proprietary software, can go a long way toward helping in 
its adoption.  It won't be something that happens immediately.  Then 
again, like a lot of things in life, taking a slow, steady approach and 
building a solid foundation (ie people truly interested and convinced of 
open source software's potential in education) I think will win out in 
the end.


Best regards,
Gabriel

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Educator and Author
Website: http://www.gabrielgurley.com/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 18:16, Michel Gagnon a écrit :


I think LibreOffice is already a rather large suite, and the larger it
is, the heavier it is and the harder it is to maintain and develop. So
where shall we stop?

There are good reasons to integrate Writer, Calc and Draw (or Inskscape)
and Impress. After all, the same individuals typically will write
letters and reports. Those documents are likely to include calculations
or even simple tables, charts and basic plans. It is likely that the
same document may lead to a corporate presentation. Likewise, teachers
may work the other way around and prepare a presentation (i.e. their
course) and an accompanying document (i.e. course material). So it makes
sense to integrate all those modules, and even to develop a much better
integration so that even tables written in a document (i.e. Writer doc.)
are done using the Calc module. Better integration should also mean that
a nice presentation done in Impress could be imported as is and expanded
to make the accompanying document, for example. Right now, one has to
restyle the entire document twice: once in Impress, once in Writer.

As far as I am concerned, integrating a database into LibreOffice is not
really essential. After all, it is not every day that one designs a
database and writes a report within the same project. On the other hand,
seamless data exchange between the database and Writer or Calc is
essential.

On the other hand, the publication is typically done afterwards, and
very often by a different person than the one who wrote the document. So
the important consideration is to allow one to import the ODT document
and make a really good printed document, and ideally to allow one to
export the text back in ODT for future work. It would also be good to
develop filters that allow one to import an ODT document into InDesign
and QuarkXpress.

As for e-mail and calendar product, I find Thunderbird with Lightning a
much better piece of software than Outlook. I also find it much easier
to use, but my 13 other colleagues stick with Outlook 2003 and don't
want to touch Thunderbird with a 10-ft pole. One nice feature of
Lightning is that it allows me more than one calendar.



I also second Michel's concerns regarding making LibO larger. We have to 
be mindful that in adding more options to LibO that we become a 
programme with an unsustainable dev future. The really only option 
missing in LibO is, as often said, a mail and calendar agent. I too use 
the Thunderbird + Lightning option and it is a delight to use. Lightning 
still has a little more "growing up" to do, but Thunderbird is "rock 
solid" and rarely fails.


Module integration should be strengthened just as described by Michel. 
This would be a very welcomed effort from the part of many users.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Document Freedom Day 2011 - Who will shephard - ?

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 13:07, Drew Jensen a écrit :

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 18:37 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:

That would be the FSFE, I think.

best,
Charles.



Excellent, and I expect you have contact there.

So - just thinking that if DFD timing is around March again, it is a
great opportunity.

May I then, actually too late you raised your hand first..

I set a calendar reminder to poke you first week of December, so you
could let the ML know about any date, if possible, in January.

Then way we could produce a hand-out for the LibreOffice booth in LA the
end of February.


//drew




Hi Drew and Charles et al:

Could we then all poke ourselves as I was also looking into this last 
night and would like to hold different events in Canada. I would also 
like to produce a hand-out at these events. Maybe we could coordinate 
with the hand-out production?


Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu 11.04 & Libre Office

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 15:12, Monfort Florian a écrit :

Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 14:09 -0500, Frank Esposito a écrit :

According to this article, LO will be included in the April Ubuntu
11release, if ready.
http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/news-on-default-applications-in-ubuntu.html

I would like to make a request from the community that for the good of the
LO project, we have everything in place, (code and marketing) by that
release date.

Can we do this? It would be huge.

just my thoughts...

-frank esposito




Have also read that. Can anyone say if everything will be ready on
time ? Or is that impossible to plan ?




I think at this point it is too early to promise, but, we were told to 
be ready between 4-8 weeks for a heads up for a possible release date.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Initial Presentation Template (DRAFT)

2010-10-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all!

Mmh, I'm replying to my own mail ... about 35 people had a look at the
template, but there is still no reply. Does it meant that it works
perfectly, and that we should move on to complete it? Would be great,
but I doubt it ... *g* So for those who tried, please add either
positive or negative feedback on the wiki page (see below), or just
comment within this tread. Thanks!

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Mittwoch, den 27.10.2010, 00:10 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack:
> Hi all,
> 
> it is already past midnight, therefore just some short comments ... as
> you may have read [1], I am currently working on a default presentation
> template. Disclaimer: Not intended to be "really" used at the moment.
> 
> As said, work in progress:. but I think it is a good time to check
> whether the master pages and styles do really work, and to get some
> initial comments concerning the visual representation. Of course, I've
> tried to follow the recent branding guidelines [2].
> 
> To make it easy (for me), I've added some comments directly in the
> presentation file. If you have some comments, then please post them to
> this list, or (even better for traceability), add them to the wiki.
> 
> Here you find both the presentation file and some room for comments (you
> may even state if you like it *G*):
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#LibreOffice_Initial_Presentation_Template_.28DRAFT.29
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
> [1]
> http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/libreoffice-presentation-template-first.html
> 
> [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Open Source For America - Education Working Group - Hello World - kind of thing (y mah-bobby)

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 15:54, Drew Jensen a écrit :


Added your email as discussion (talking points) to the Discuss page on
the wiki

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/ed-21st-cent

Thanks

Drew



Hi Drew:

Link should be http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MarcPare

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?

2010-10-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-10-28 20:34, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>> Marc Paré wrote:
>>> I was just wondering, if I were to correspond to potential organisers
>>> who could contribute to the LibO (in particular Canada) would it be
>>> appropriate for me to put in a title under my name? I am just curious
>>> if you did this with the OOo.
>>
>> I did it, and I still do, on OpenOffice.org mailing list, where I hold
>> an elective position. But for a still informal group in a still informal
>> foundation I agree with Drew that the situation is not clear-cut.

I have never used a title referring to OOo, although I am the Italian
MarCon and the president of the Italian association, and I am not going
to use a title for TDF, not even when the foundation will be in place. I
think that in a volunteer environment titles are by recognition.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Publicity

2010-10-29 Thread Italo Vignoli
Marc Paré wrote:
> Do we have anyone in charge of publicity yet? I was wondering because
> the ODF Alliance publishes a newsletter and we could send publicity to
> their newsletter.
> 
> You will find their newsletter as well as their email for publicity  here:
> 
> http://www.odfalliance.org/mail_list.php

Yes, I am in touch with them, and as soon as there will be a legal
entity it makes sense to join the ODF Alliance.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 19:28, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

Le 2010-10-28 20:34, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Marc Paré wrote:

I was just wondering, if I were to correspond to potential organisers
who could contribute to the LibO (in particular Canada) would it be
appropriate for me to put in a title under my name? I am just curious
if you did this with the OOo.


I did it, and I still do, on OpenOffice.org mailing list, where I hold
an elective position. But for a still informal group in a still informal
foundation I agree with Drew that the situation is not clear-cut.


I have never used a title referring to OOo, although I am the Italian
MarCon and the president of the Italian association, and I am not going
to use a title for TDF, not even when the foundation will be in place. I
think that in a volunteer environment titles are by recognition.



Thanks Italo.

Here is Canada, if I were to approach an organization, it would add more 
weight to my requests/proposals if there was a title to a name. Maybe a 
cultural gap?


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?

2010-10-29 Thread Anthony Papillion
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On 10/29/2010 6:57 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
>> I have never used a title referring to OOo, although I am the Italian
>> MarCon and the president of the Italian association, and I am not going
>> to use a title for TDF, not even when the foundation will be in place. I
>> think that in a volunteer environment titles are by recognition.
>>
> 
> Thanks Italo.
> 
> Here is Canada, if I were to approach an organization, it would add more
> weight to my requests/proposals if there was a title to a name. Maybe a
> cultural gap?
> 
> Marc

Same thing here in the USA.  Titles come in very handy, even if only
serving to cue the person that you are acting on behalf of an
established organization and not just yourself.

Anthony
USA

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Can we put marketing titles under our names?

2010-10-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Italo Vignoli  wrote:
> Marc Paré wrote:
>> Le 2010-10-28 20:34, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :
>>> Marc Paré wrote:
 I was just wondering, if I were to correspond to potential organisers
 who could contribute to the LibO (in particular Canada) would it be
 appropriate for me to put in a title under my name? I am just curious
 if you did this with the OOo.
>>>
>>> I did it, and I still do, on OpenOffice.org mailing list, where I hold
>>> an elective position. But for a still informal group in a still informal
>>> foundation I agree with Drew that the situation is not clear-cut.
>
> I have never used a title referring to OOo, although I am the Italian
> MarCon and the president of the Italian association, and I am not going
> to use a title for TDF, not even when the foundation will be in place. I
> think that in a volunteer environment titles are by recognition.

Also titles for marketing matters just as your email address, it
brings a link with you and the organization. Although is not really
about titles, it does serve that point. i wasn't too big on titles
until I stop thinking about my personal preference but the receptor
POV.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-29 Thread Dave Johnson
No problem. When is the deadline?
On Oct 29, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:

> Hi Dave!
> 
> Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 12:59 -0500 schrieb Dave Johnson:
>> I can.
>> 
>> Dave Johnson
> 
> Great & thanks Dave! I don't know whether Charles had this in mind, but
> I enjoyed the KDE interviews from time to time. Do you think about
> something like that?
> http://dot.kde.org/search/node/interview
> 
> Cheers,
> Christoph
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM, "Cor Nouws"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> While talking with some people, we had the idea of making some interview
>> with developers working on LibreOffice to publish on our site/wiki.
>> No long stories, but cute, catchy you know. And regularly, e.g. every one or
>> two weeks.
>> 
>> Is there anyone on this list with maybe a little experience but anyhow joy
>> in doing such interviews?
> [...]
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Initial Presentation Template (DRAFT)

2010-10-29 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-10-29 19:23, Christoph Noack a écrit :

Hi all!

Mmh, I'm replying to my own mail ... about 35 people had a look at the
template, but there is still no reply. Does it meant that it works
perfectly, and that we should move on to complete it? Would be great,
but I doubt it ... *g* So for those who tried, please add either
positive or negative feedback on the wiki page (see below), or just
comment within this tread. Thanks!

Cheers,
Christoph


Hi Christoph

Look great! The LibO green is such an identifying colour. Nice colour 
pick. I think the green will be one identifying element that people will 
recognise and remember the most.


Cheers

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Initial Presentation Template (DRAFT)

2010-10-29 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Christoph Noack  wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> Mmh, I'm replying to my own mail ... about 35 people had a look at the
> template, but there is still no reply. Does it meant that it works
> perfectly, and that we should move on to complete it? Would be great,
> but I doubt it ... *g* So for those who tried, please add either
> positive or negative feedback on the wiki page (see below), or just
> comment within this tread. Thanks!

Saw it and I think looks ok. Like the simplified style and sober
background. I would have chosen a different color to black for the
slides. Maybe a dark gray would add the style of Bevel.

Also I would recommend not having the small icon on the lower left
icon. The "office" seems to be pixelated and I would rather use that
space for the date.

Just my 2 cents.

>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 27.10.2010, 00:10 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it is already past midnight, therefore just some short comments ... as
>> you may have read [1], I am currently working on a default presentation
>> template. Disclaimer: Not intended to be "really" used at the moment.
>>
>> As said, work in progress:. but I think it is a good time to check
>> whether the master pages and styles do really work, and to get some
>> initial comments concerning the visual representation. Of course, I've
>> tried to follow the recent branding guidelines [2].
>>
>> To make it easy (for me), I've added some comments directly in the
>> presentation file. If you have some comments, then please post them to
>> this list, or (even better for traceability), add them to the wiki.
>>
>> Here you find both the presentation file and some room for comments (you
>> may even state if you like it *G*):
>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#LibreOffice_Initial_Presentation_Template_.28DRAFT.29
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christoph
>>
>> [1]
>> http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/libreoffice-presentation-template-first.html
>>
>> [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding
>>
>>
>
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