Re: Social networking is dead.

2011-03-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
 Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of 
 stuff.

Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff.  For instance, we should
not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every
random person's gripes in our timeline.  We should be *watching* that
group and responding with help, but that's something that every person
in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small
group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff
on @fedora.


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Re: Social networking is dead.

2011-03-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:39:08AM +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote:
 
 On 02-Mar-2011, at 2:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
 
  OK, not really, but I got your attention.
  
  But our social networking feeds are kinda dead.  More specifically,
  our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output.  They're silent, like a ninja
  only without nunchucks or throwing stars.
  
  In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire
  value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours
  dangling in the wind.  What's that?  Putting some of our eggs in a
  non-free basket didn't work out?  Well, it's a risk we took with eyes
  open, at least.  It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal
  alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well.
  
  The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we
  should endeavor to fix that.
  
  I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term:
  to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a
  well-supported Drupal module.  There are a couple to choose from, and
  the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically
  thanks to our existing FAS integration.
  
  But... that doesn't help us *right now*.
  
  AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of
  identi.ca/twitter duties.  There are several aggregators out there,
  and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration.  Rather than
  wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right
  people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after
  that (up to and including the idea above).
  
  The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out
  the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to
  each of the people listed in our FAS group.  Is that acceptable?
  
 Hey,
 
 Some time ago I wrote a script to update my twitter account from the
 CLI (using python and the python-twitter library), it also has basic
 functions like search, follow, etc. I can edit it and add identi.ca
 support to it as well (a very trivial change in api call) so it can
 be used by you, and updates both the accounts at one time, and also
 you can still remain free (It was released as GPLv3). It's hosted in
 my github account here : https://github.com/hiemanshu/Tweeter
 
 -H
 P.S. : There is no GUI for it, I started writing one but stopped
 because there were already too many GUI clients out there

This sounds like a great tool!  However, it seems to provide the same
features as many other clients (GUI, CLI, addons for other apps).  It
doesn't really address our current situation, which is that we can't
share access to a single account without just shipping a passphrase
around, nor can we generate any useful (?) metrics of how the
account's being used or consumed.


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Re: Social networking is dead.

2011-03-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 10:40:29AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
  Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of 
  stuff.
 
 Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff.  For instance, we should
 not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every
 random person's gripes in our timeline.  We should be *watching* that
 group and responding with help, but that's something that every person
 in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small
 group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff
 on @fedora.

Forgot to note -- I do agree with the redenting bit also.  When HS was
available to us, we often did so, and should continue to do so.

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