Regarding awareness about linux
We, GLUG-NITH (http://glug.nith.ac.in) are planning to celebrate Software Freedom Day (http://softwarefreedomday.org/) on 20th September in our college. We were thinking if it would be possible any of you provide us with Fedora CD/DVDs, stickers, tees so that we can distribute them to students and spread awareness about linux. Thank you. -- Regards, Sachin Vardhan Department of Computer Science National Institute of Technology Hamirpur -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Regarding awareness about linux
- Original Message - From: Sachin Vardhan sachin.vardha...@gmail.com To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:38:48 PM Subject: Regarding awareness about linux We, GLUG-NITH ( http://glug.nith.ac.in ) are planning to celebrate Software Freedom Day ( http://softwarefreedomday.org/ ) on 20th September in our college. We were thinking if it would be possible any of you provide us with Fedora CD/DVDs, stickers, tees so that we can distribute them to students and spread awareness about linux. Hi Sachin, It is best to contact to one of local Fedora Ambassadors [1]. They can provide you media, swag, present at your event or do any support you need. Kind regards, Tuan [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification#India_.2831.29 -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On 09/03/2014 06:41 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Hi, yesterday in FAmSCo, we started a discussion what media we should produce for F21. We have been producing Multidesktop Live DVD for many releases, but with the Fedora.Next changes we need to revisit it. In FAmSCo, we've pretty much agreed that Multidesktop Live DVD is not very aligned with the Fedora.Next initiative where we want to emphasize the official products and those products should be delivered as clear offerings all the way to the users. Merging them with other spins means that the clear product offering is lost before it reaches the users. Although Multidesktop Live DVD is economically the best solution, it is not from the marketing perspective and doesn't deliver the message of Fedora.Next products. Suggestions that have come up at the meeting: * the Cloud product doesn't really need a DVD media, * having one DVD with Workstation and Server Products, * having separate DVDs with Workstation and Server, * creating additional DVD with other flavors of Fedora (other desktops, many other specialized spins?) if there is enough interest and demand. Christoph Wickert is going to bring it up on the workstation and server group mailing lists and I'd like to start the discussion here because this is very related to marketing. Opinions? :) Thanks. I'm assuming we're actually talking about physical media to hand out at events? Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. P.S. we also discussed replacing DVDs with usb flash drives. As much as we'd love to offer flash drives instead of DVDs it's still not a viable option because flash drives are still 10x more expensive than DVDs. Not much has changed there in the last two years :/ Agreed there. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud Storage Analyst j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. +1 to this if we need some new artwork for the top of the dvd or the case and we can create a ticket with design and get something worked out. - Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Joe Brockmeier píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 08:26 -0500: On 09/03/2014 06:41 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Hi, yesterday in FAmSCo, we started a discussion what media we should produce for F21. We have been producing Multidesktop Live DVD for many releases, but with the Fedora.Next changes we need to revisit it. In FAmSCo, we've pretty much agreed that Multidesktop Live DVD is not very aligned with the Fedora.Next initiative where we want to emphasize the official products and those products should be delivered as clear offerings all the way to the users. Merging them with other spins means that the clear product offering is lost before it reaches the users. Although Multidesktop Live DVD is economically the best solution, it is not from the marketing perspective and doesn't deliver the message of Fedora.Next products. Suggestions that have come up at the meeting: * the Cloud product doesn't really need a DVD media, * having one DVD with Workstation and Server Products, * having separate DVDs with Workstation and Server, * creating additional DVD with other flavors of Fedora (other desktops, many other specialized spins?) if there is enough interest and demand. Christoph Wickert is going to bring it up on the workstation and server group mailing lists and I'd like to start the discussion here because this is very related to marketing. Opinions? :) Thanks. I'm assuming we're actually talking about physical media to hand out at events? Yes. Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. That's a question. I wrote off physical media for the cloud product right away, but I'm not sure about the server. We didn't reach a consensus in FAmSCo. Some say they have installed server OSes from a DVD recently. That's why we asked Christoph to reach out to the server working group to ask if this distribution channel is important to them. We should also note that the decision would have its price. Producing 1000 Server DVDs only for EMEA would cost around $800. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. Getting started cards is a great idea. Generally, I'd love to see more fliers given away at events because right now all our swag is just about branding, it doesn't carry any information. Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On 09/04/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. Heya, I respect all views here, but I am afraid we should not be limiting our users to workstation only by doing this. Any new comer or some one who have limitations to download images should not by default directing to workstation only. This is first time we are going with fedora.next and with product wise concept, so is it not good to have them all available as media for users to try out without going through the hassle of downloading and creating CDs? Just a thought. Thanks, Amita +1 to this if we need some new artwork for the top of the dvd or the case and we can create a ticket with design and get something worked out. - Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 04:33:48PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: That's a question. I wrote off physical media for the cloud product right away, but I'm not sure about the server. We didn't reach a consensus in FAmSCo. Some say they have installed server OSes from a DVD recently. That's why we asked Christoph to reach out to the server Random thought: What if we ship the server as a preconfigured VM on the workstation media? In general, I think it would be nice to target our media giveaways to the audience. If we're reaching out to developers (DevOps Days, Velocity), Workstation media makes sense. (With or without the server VM idea). For LISA, the developer desktop target isn't going to be so interesting, and maybe server media would indeed be valuable. Although from last year, most people taking the media were looking to try it on their laptops, or just collecting souvenirs -- people who were really interested in doing a Fedora server deploy would mostly do a network install. (I guess the question is whether that souvenir install media would actually sometimes convince people to try it where they wouldn't otherwise, because, hey, I've got it already with no need hunt for the download link or to find a blank USB stick or DVD.) If we feel like we have the budget for it, *and* people are willing to make and test it, I don't think it hurts to have the multi-desktop DVD available for distribution where we feel like the targetted message won't resonate anyway. I guess I'm mostly thinking of LUGs where the userbase is mostly interested in tinkering and trying multiple desktops is more of a draw. Actually, LISA might be an example of that too -- although you can net-install from this and pick the desktop of your choice would probably satisfy. groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. Getting started cards is a great idea. Generally, I'd love to see more fliers given away at events because right now all our swag is just about branding, it doesn't carry any information. I think this is great too. I'd like to see these use traceable URLs, so we can get a measurable sense of how much people are actually using them vs. just picking them up and recycling them when they get home from the event. Ideally, this would tie back to the individual event, even. (Maybe QR code + link stickers, so the whole thing doesn't need reprinted?) I know this is additional expense, but I also think it's worth it. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Amita Sharma amsha...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/04/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. Heya, I respect all views here, but I am afraid we should not be limiting our users to workstation only by doing this. Any new comer or some one who have limitations to download images should not by default directing to workstation only. This is first time we are going with fedora.next and with product wise concept, so is it not good to have them all available as media for users to try out without going through the hassle of downloading and creating CDs? Just a thought. Thanks, Amita +1 to this i fully agree with amita we should not limit people to any flavour otherwise we are not supporting the spread of fedora. -- Regards, Dilip Khanolkar, +919833018122. -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Matthew Miller píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 12:38 -0400: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 04:33:48PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: That's a question. I wrote off physical media for the cloud product right away, but I'm not sure about the server. We didn't reach a consensus in FAmSCo. Some say they have installed server OSes from a DVD recently. That's why we asked Christoph to reach out to the server Random thought: What if we ship the server as a preconfigured VM on the workstation media? This sounds like an interesting idea to me. I have no idea how it would behave and if it'd be usable running Fedora live, but it's worth trying. In general, I think it would be nice to target our media giveaways to the audience. If we're reaching out to developers (DevOps Days, Velocity), Workstation media makes sense. (With or without the server VM idea). For LISA, the developer desktop target isn't going to be so interesting, and maybe server media would indeed be valuable. Although from last year, most people taking the media were looking to try it on their laptops, or just collecting souvenirs -- people who were really interested in doing a Fedora server deploy would mostly do a network install. (I guess the question is whether that souvenir install media would actually sometimes convince people to try it where they wouldn't otherwise, because, hey, I've got it already with no need hunt for the download link or to find a blank USB stick or DVD.) If we feel like we have the budget for it, *and* people are willing to make and test it, I don't think it hurts to have the multi-desktop DVD available for distribution where we feel like the targetted message won't resonate anyway. I guess I'm mostly thinking of LUGs where the userbase is mostly interested in tinkering and trying multiple desktops is more of a draw. Actually, LISA might be an example of that too -- although you can net-install from this and pick the desktop of your choice would probably satisfy. Ok, let me put the ideas in the cost perspective: In EMEA if we order 5000 DVDs of one kind (same content, same graphics) we pay ~ $1750. If we order 1000 DVDs then the price is ~$800. So if we for example order 5 different DVDs, 1000 pieces each, the total price will be: $4000. That's a significant difference considering it's just one region. Yes, it'd be great to have different media for different audiences, but is it really worth the money? Are DVDs as installation media still so important? It's a dying technology. Yes, we should continue produce them for the time being because it's the only economically viable physical media, but I think we should keep the selection rather simple and don't invest too much into it. I don't think it's a big deal if something is not shipped on DVDs. It's just one of distribution channels, one that is less and less important. Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:09:01PM +0530, beta tester wrote: +1 to this i fully agree with amita we should not limit people to any flavour otherwise we are not supporting the spread of fedora. This isn't a question of limiting people. It's a question of what we spend our limited money on to actively promote, as well as our limited time and availability, and the limited time in which we can get a given audience to listen to us. That doesn't mean that we _have_ to focus that promotion, but the basic strategy here is that if we do, we can get _really good returns_ in a particular area, rather than poor returns across the board. Then, in the long run, that can spill out to actual broader success across the board. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On 4 September 2014 11:14, Jiri Eischmann eischm...@redhat.com wrote: Matthew Miller píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 12:38 -0400: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 04:33:48PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: That's a question. I wrote off physical media for the cloud product right away, but I'm not sure about the server. We didn't reach a consensus in FAmSCo. Some say they have installed server OSes from a DVD recently. That's why we asked Christoph to reach out to the server Random thought: What if we ship the server as a preconfigured VM on the workstation media? This sounds like an interesting idea to me. I have no idea how it would behave and if it'd be usable running Fedora live, but it's worth trying. In general, I think it would be nice to target our media giveaways to the audience. If we're reaching out to developers (DevOps Days, Velocity), Workstation media makes sense. (With or without the server VM idea). For LISA, the developer desktop target isn't going to be so interesting, and maybe server media would indeed be valuable. Although from last year, most people taking the media were looking to try it on their laptops, or just collecting souvenirs -- people who were really interested in doing a Fedora server deploy would mostly do a network install. (I guess the question is whether that souvenir install media would actually sometimes convince people to try it where they wouldn't otherwise, because, hey, I've got it already with no need hunt for the download link or to find a blank USB stick or DVD.) If we feel like we have the budget for it, *and* people are willing to make and test it, I don't think it hurts to have the multi-desktop DVD available for distribution where we feel like the targetted message won't resonate anyway. I guess I'm mostly thinking of LUGs where the userbase is mostly interested in tinkering and trying multiple desktops is more of a draw. Actually, LISA might be an example of that too -- although you can net-install from this and pick the desktop of your choice would probably satisfy. Ok, let me put the ideas in the cost perspective: In EMEA if we order 5000 DVDs of one kind (same content, same graphics) we pay ~ $1750. If we order 1000 DVDs then the price is ~$800. So if we for example order 5 different DVDs, 1000 pieces each, the total price will be: $4000. How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? While DVD's are useful in some regions, I agree that the amount of money to burn throw away media might be better spent on things people can use multiple times in different ways. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
- Original Message - Joe Brockmeier píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 08:26 -0500: On 09/03/2014 06:41 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Hi, yesterday in FAmSCo, we started a discussion what media we should produce for F21. We have been producing Multidesktop Live DVD for many releases, but with the Fedora.Next changes we need to revisit it. In FAmSCo, we've pretty much agreed that Multidesktop Live DVD is not very aligned with the Fedora.Next initiative where we want to emphasize the official products and those products should be delivered as clear offerings all the way to the users. Merging them with other spins means that the clear product offering is lost before it reaches the users. Although Multidesktop Live DVD is economically the best solution, it is not from the marketing perspective and doesn't deliver the message of Fedora.Next products. Suggestions that have come up at the meeting: * the Cloud product doesn't really need a DVD media, * having one DVD with Workstation and Server Products, * having separate DVDs with Workstation and Server, * creating additional DVD with other flavors of Fedora (other desktops, many other specialized spins?) if there is enough interest and demand. Christoph Wickert is going to bring it up on the workstation and server group mailing lists and I'd like to start the discussion here because this is very related to marketing. Opinions? :) Thanks. I'm assuming we're actually talking about physical media to hand out at events? Yes. Do we really need server media? I'd expect that in most environments where someone is using the server product they 1) have sufficient bandwidth to download the image, and 2) have the expertise to handle creating their own USB or CD/DVD. That's a question. I wrote off physical media for the cloud product right away, but I'm not sure about the server. We didn't reach a consensus in FAmSCo. Some say they have installed server OSes from a DVD recently. That's why we asked Christoph to reach out to the server working group to ask if this distribution channel is important to them. We should also note that the decision would have its price. Producing 1000 Server DVDs only for EMEA would cost around $800. I'd keep it simple and produce the Workstation image for events/user groups, and maybe a getting started card for server/cloud that directs people to the downloads/cloud images. Getting started cards is a great idea. Generally, I'd love to see more fliers given away at events because right now all our swag is just about branding, it doesn't carry any information. To be honest - I think it's worth spending money on providing information to our (potential) users than paying money to provide DVD for SWAG collectors. I know some people still rely on DVD and there are good use cases for DVDs but I'm not sure we really have to spend so much money on it or maybe produce less media and give it away on request not to everyone (getting started card with QR code would be for it). Jaroslav Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
- Original Message - On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. Maybe we can create machine like OpenSUSE studio - stand, you put *your* flash drive to the machine, select what product you want to upload to you flash drive, while uploading, show some nice presentation about Fedora etc. And it can also burn media :). It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. Jaroslav -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Over the past years, this conversation regularly comes up. It's a good time to discuss it again. I think either way, people are going to reformat them, it's what I do when I get media from others. But more importantly, two things come to mind. First, branding is important. If we brand the usb with Fedora on it and our url or something (and not on the crappy usbs we use right now) that won't come off others will probably see it. Putting Fedora into people's minds is a good thing. Second, if we can put live media onto it, it's an easy win. Like I said, the person is likely to reformat it, but if they are presented with the media as a drawing or by learning about the four principles, it's an overall win. Maybe they'll join Fedora, maybe they won't, but at least they learned a little about our project and might share it with someone else. While writing this, I was thinking of another benefit of using usb sticks. At conferences and conventions it seems that there's a lot of 'challenges' being put forth. We could reward those who want to take the challenge with a usb stick, and the winner with something a bit nicer (t-shirt or hat or something more, possibly a nicer electronic gadget). Thoughts? Clint On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 01:14:46PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 10:09:01PM +0530, beta tester wrote: +1 to this i fully agree with amita we should not limit people to any flavour otherwise we are not supporting the spread of fedora. This isn't a question of limiting people. Also, calling this a limit is illogical. If you are planning to run a server, we can safely assume you are connected to a network, and that you're capable of downloading an image. So you don't need to be handed a physical disc in order to make one. It's a question of what we spend our limited money on to actively promote, as well as our limited time and availability, and the limited time in which we can get a given audience to listen to us. That doesn't mean that we _have_ to focus that promotion, but the basic strategy here is that if we do, we can get _really good returns_ in a particular area, rather than poor returns across the board. Then, in the long run, that can spill out to actual broader success across the board. +1. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:47:30PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. Maybe we can create machine like OpenSUSE studio - stand, you put *your* flash drive to the machine, select what product you want to upload to you flash drive, while uploading, show some nice presentation about Fedora etc. And it can also burn media :). It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. I recall such a device being present at LinuxTag about 5 years ago. However, I also seem to recall it, and the booth, being overwhelmed by people wanting to take advantage of it. In some sense that's a good problem to have (would we?); in another larger sense, lots of dissatisfied people. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Stephen John Smoogen píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 11:20 -0600: snip How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? Red Hat Czech recently ordered business-card-like 8GB usb flash drives in quantity of 800 and one was for 102 CZK (~$5). You can probably get a bit cheaper ones, but we want some branding, so the cheapest ones with no place to print our logo won't be a good solution. Moreover I don't think their price would be below $4. So for $1750, you can produce 350 flash sticks instead of 5000 DVDs (their unit price is $.35). The price difference is still huge and it's not getting smaller. I've been checking prices for the last two years and prices of suitable flash drives haven't changed much, it's still about $5, just their capacity goes up. Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On 09/04/2014 01:47 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. So - depending on the size of the box, etc. You may spend more $$ on shipping and managing the box to events than you would just drop-shipping enough media to give away at the event. Also - there's a bit of coding involved, and time to copy to media - so harder to handle rushes to the booth, and a box of DVDs doesn't crash or need its interface explained to new users. ;-) I like Matthew's idea about having physical workstation media that has the server VM on it. But I don't think it's worth the extra cost to produce physical media for the server when that audience should have the bandwidth + expertise to create their own media. It's not 100% perfect for all audiences - but it's likely the most bang for our buck across all audiences and geos. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud Storage Analyst j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Fedora Magazine Maintenance
Hey Everyone, Saturday night around 1AM-2AM I will be doing some maintenance to the Fedora Magazine, I will make all the changes I need to make and then restart the instance. I expect the downtime to only be around 15 minutes, although while I am doing things the site may appear slow. When: 9-6-14 1AM-2AM Who: All users Why: To clean up the database some more, update some things with the way backups are handled and investigate why Askimet is starting to not catch alot of the comments. Also do a full sync of the site to the staging instance since this has not been done in a while. If anyone has any questions, reach out to me. I was going to do this after Flock but being sick has pushed it back as I catch up on things. - Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
Jaroslav Reznik píše v Čt 04. 09. 2014 v 14:47 -0400: - Original Message - On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. Maybe we can create machine like OpenSUSE studio - stand, you put *your* flash drive to the machine, select what product you want to upload to you flash drive, while uploading, show some nice presentation about Fedora etc. And it can also burn media :). It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. We discussed this idea and turned it down in the end. The reasons were: * we tried it in EMEA and people weren't really excited about it, they didn't want to wait several minutes to get it loaded or they didn't have their own flash drives, * we would lose branding, * such machines are pretty expensive, * LATAM and APAC regions would have problems to get such a machines past customs and shipping would also be expensive. Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On 09/04/2014 02:18 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: I recall such a device being present at LinuxTag about 5 years ago. However, I also seem to recall it, and the booth, being overwhelmed by people wanting to take advantage of it. In some sense that's a good problem to have (would we?); in another larger sense, lots of dissatisfied people. I recall having to staff booths with such a device. Great idea in concept, less so in practice. Does not handle the rush between talks/during breaks well at all. Also, it tends to distract from *actual conversations* and winds up being more interesting in and of itself. To promote SUSE Studio, that was fine - that was the idea, to promote that. We're not trying to promote our ability to build images on the fly, but trying to get Fedora in as many hands as possible _and_ help new users be successful. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud Storage Analyst j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora 21 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting :: Thursday, Sep. 04, 19:00 UTC
== #fedora-meeting-2: F21 Alpha Readiness Meeting == Meeting started by jreznik at 19:01:15 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2014-09-04/f21-alpha-readiness-meeting.2014-09-04-19.01.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Purpose of this meeting (jreznik, 19:01:37) * Before each public release all of the groups participating the development of Fedora's next release meet to make sure the release is well coordinated. (jreznik, 19:01:38) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Readiness_Meetings (jreznik, 19:01:40) * Roll Call (jreznik, 19:01:53) * LINK: https://badges.fedoraproject.org/badge/readiness (jreznik, 19:03:05) * Current status (jreznik, 19:05:34) * Ambassadors (jreznik, 19:10:26) * Ambassadors are ready for alpha. The media question can be solved later. (jreznik, 19:12:48) * Design (jreznik, 19:16:07) * Design is ready, alpha wallpaper done, supplemental wallpaper done, alpha banner done (jreznik, 19:17:16) * Documentation (jreznik, 19:19:15) * FESCo (jreznik, 19:21:11) * FESCo is ready to go (jreznik, 19:22:21) * Fedora Engineering Manager (jreznik, 19:22:35) * No issues for Fedora Engineering Manager but mentions the need of support in MirrorManager for ostree for final release (jreznik, 19:25:46) * MirrorManager FAD is planned post-F21 - early December 2014 (jreznik, 19:27:36) * Fedora Project Leader (jreznik, 19:29:47) * FPL does not have anything particular (jreznik, 19:31:10) * Marketing (jreznik, 19:32:50) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Alpha_release_announcement (jreznik, 19:33:50) * Marketing - alpha release announcement is about 60% done (jreznik, 19:34:11) * Marketing team asks for if one person from each wg would write a state of... for Fedora Magazine for Alpha (jreznik, 19:41:45) * Documentation (jreznik, 19:45:03) * Documentation is in a good shape, changes, critpath stuff, etc, the product specific things will need to be written out soon but for Beta (jreznik, 19:48:42) * Infrastructure (jreznik, 19:58:05) * Infrastructure - no particular problems pending (jreznik, 20:00:48) * Websites (jreznik, 20:01:40) * Websites are mostly set, still need to figure out final paths of the images we are shipping (jreznik, 20:02:21) * doubts about Cloud and ARM (jreznik, 20:02:39) * LINK: https://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease (robyduck, 20:03:26) * For Final release, websites need much more feedback and informations from the single Working Groups (jreznik, 20:03:58) * LINK: https://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease#cloud (jzb, 20:04:36) * if anybody wants to change the text content please update it asap, we need to send changes out to L10n too (jreznik, 20:08:00) * QA (jreznik, 20:14:11) * QA does not have anything specific, the netinst issue has been brought up (jreznik, 20:16:57) * Release Engineering (jreznik, 20:18:57) * Open floor (jreznik, 20:21:13) * ACTION: jreznik to invite formally WGs representatives for the next meeting (Beta) (jreznik, 20:24:22) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5891 (jreznik, 20:31:51) Meeting ended at 20:35:02 UTC. Action Items * jreznik to invite formally WGs representatives for the next meeting (Beta) Action Items, by person --- * jreznik * jreznik to invite formally WGs representatives for the next meeting (Beta) * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --- * jreznik (162) * robyduck (51) * jzb (43) * sgallagh (40) * adamw (39) * stickster (36) * randomuser (23) * zodbot (16) * mattdm (14) * croberts (11) * roshi (7) * sesivany (6) * nirik (6) * jwb (5) * gnokii (3) * pjones (3) * satellit (1) * mailga (1) - Original Message - Fedora 21 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting. date: 2014-09-04 place: irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2 time: 19:00 UTC (3 PM EDT, 12 PM PDT, 21:00 CEST) This Thursday, September 04, we will meet to make sure we are coordinated and ready for the Alpha release of Fedora 21 on Tuesday, September 09, 2014. Please note that this meeting will occur on September 04 even if the release is delayed at the Go/No-Go meeting on the same day two hours earlier. You may received this message several times, but I was asked to open this meeting to the teams and I'll also hope this will raise awareness and more team representatives will come to this meeting. This meeting works best when we have representatives from all of the teams. Jaroslav -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: F21 media
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 02:47:30PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 11:20:21AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: How many USB 8 gb sticks could we order with that money (the 1750?)? And how instead of giving it away we went to a 'earn the fob by sharing or helping someone else' system? At some non-Fedora-focussed conferences I've been at, people we clearly very excited about the USB stick because OOOH FREE USB STICK. I'm interested in your earn by helping idea -- how would that work? If we went to bigger, more expensive USB media, it *would* be nice to make sure people are not taking them just to reformat without caring about Fedora at all. Maybe we can create machine like OpenSUSE studio - stand, you put *your* flash drive to the machine, select what product you want to upload to you flash drive, while uploading, show some nice presentation about Fedora etc. And it can also burn media :). It could be cheap now to create such device, just some manual work would be required to create nice box. Jaroslav I had a similar idea. Why not have a box+wifi access point with local copies for download? Should be pretty quick over local lan for the downloads, plus people could do that during talks, not just in between talks. Also, regarding the challenge to get a USB key or some other swag, the challenge could reside on the box with the images (I'm envisioning something like a Fedora python challenge [0]). Talking to MarkDude in #fedora-mktg, he thought there could easily be a FAD to develop something like this. It would by no means replace physical media, but might be able to extend the visibility of the Fedora booth pretty well. I have more thoughts on how it could be implemented and leveraged, but will hold off until the brain trust has some time to decide if it's worth going after. [0] http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ -- // Mike -- Fedora QA freenode: roshi http://roshi.fedorapeople.org -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora Magazine Maintenance
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 03:30:39PM -0400, Chris Roberts wrote: Hey Everyone, Saturday night around 1AM-2AM I will be doing some maintenance to the Fedora Magazine, I will make all the changes I need to make and then restart the instance. I expect the downtime to only be around 15 minutes, although while I am doing things the site may appear slow. When: 9-6-14 1AM-2AM Who: All users Why: To clean up the database some more, update some things with the way backups are handled and investigate why Askimet is starting to not catch alot of the comments. Also do a full sync of the site to the staging instance since this has not been done in a while. If anyone has any questions, reach out to me. I was going to do this after Flock but being sick has pushed it back as I catch up on things. Thanks for your efforts on the Magazine site, Chris! It's good to have you back. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
A very rough F21 alpha release announcement draft
Current draft here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Alpha_release_announcement A couple things that need to be filled out: - More detail on each of the products. - Anything we're missing that needs to be emphasized *during the alpha release*? - We don't currently have a F21 common bugs page. I plan to give this one or more passes before I'd consider it final, but I'd also like extra eyes, suggestions, etc. Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud Storage Analyst j...@redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
