Re: Social networking is dead.
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:30:21PM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On 03/01/2011 02:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: OK, not really, but I got your attention. Yes, you did ;) But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? I think that's perfectly acceptable. The question is: What do we have as a plan going forward as far as what we want to start saying there? Or, at this point, is anything acceptable, so long as we're seeing something happening? I've sent the password on to all the people on the HS list for whom I had reliable email and GPG keys (Maria, Jared, Robyn, Jonathan). If anyone else wants access, you're welcome to become part of the team and work with those folks. Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP I would recommend that anyone who wants to help should read the entire page, since it includes information on microblogging target audience, suggested items, things to be avoided, and even some examples of content. The feed should be a constantly positive stream of information -- not ignoring issues, but striving to present factual information in a helpful and positive manner. Questions about the plan going forward? Well, you guys were at the same Marketing FAD I was at... what do *YOU* want to do? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
Hi, Paul! On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP From that page: While this is not necessarily the target audience for the distributionhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base, it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the medium of microblogging. Comparing that to: - Voluntary Linux consumerhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_consumer - Computer-friendlyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-friendly - Likely collaboratorhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collaborator - General productivity userhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_user I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit my personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these to a great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in the last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :) Fab -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we shouldn't neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource for us. Sorry if I was unclear Fab On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:27:16PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: Hi, Paul! On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP From that page: While this is not necessarily the target audience for the distributionhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base, it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the medium of microblogging. Comparing that to: - Voluntary Linux consumer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_consumer - Computer-friendly http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-friendly - Likely collaborator http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collaborator - General productivity userhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_user I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit my personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these to a great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in the last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :) Hi Fab, We already use identi.ca as our source for microblogging. It feeds to our Twitter account. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On 9 March 2011 15:51, Fabian A. Scherschel f...@sixgun.org wrote: Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we shouldn't neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource for us. Sorry if I was unclear Fab On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:27:16PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: Hi, Paul! On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Robyn, there is a microblogging SOP already written on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Status_and_microblogging_SOP From that page: While this is not necessarily the target audience for the distributionhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base, it is important to fit our messages to our perceived audience for the medium of microblogging. Comparing that to: - Voluntary Linux consumerhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_voluntary_Linux_consumer - Computer-friendlyhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_computer-friendly - Likely collaboratorhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_likely_collaborator - General productivity userhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_user I would say that especially identi.ca (from my experience there, I admit my personal feed is pretty pre-selected but nonetheless) fits all of these to a great extend. I think especially identi.ca can be an awesome PR tool for Fedora. I personally got probably 20+ people on there trying Fedora in the last 3 months alone. It's a very friendly audience to our cause. :) Hi Fab, We already use identi.ca as our source for microblogging. It feeds to our Twitter account. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something like that in place? This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ... Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Luke Slater tinmach...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something like that in place? This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ... Have we looked into if Status.net is offering anything like that? Maybe an enterprise feature but Evan is a cool guy and might give us a community account... Fab -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 04:51:22PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: Oh, yeah, I know that. Sorry. What I was trying to say was that we shouldn't neglect microblogging because I think it could be a very good PR resource for us. Sorry if I was unclear In that case... +2! The archives will show you what we were doing before, and what broke down. Basically, we accepted a risk in using an outside service to help power a team-based approach to microblogging. The service went away for all intents and purposes, so I've simply shipped out the password for the account to a number of people on the team so they can agree on and share the load for doing this work, according to the SOP. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 06:18:01PM +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Luke Slater tinmach...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of microblogging was more down to the technical difficulties we were having trying to find an alternative to HootSuite's collaboration services, I think. I'm liking the idea of using a Drupal module with FAS integration - How long will it take to get something like that in place? This lack of a collaboration feature is certainly a niche in the market ... Have we looked into if Status.net is offering anything like that? Maybe an enterprise feature but Evan is a cool guy and might give us a community account... As I think was mentioned before on this list... http://status.net/open-source/issues/2947 Archives can be useful, I suggest you take a look at some of the previous discussions we've had regarding microblogging... I recall there were quite a few of them! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of stuff. Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff. For instance, we should not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every random person's gripes in our timeline. We should be *watching* that group and responding with help, but that's something that every person in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff on @fedora. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:39:08AM +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote: On 02-Mar-2011, at 2:52 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: OK, not really, but I got your attention. But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? Hey, Some time ago I wrote a script to update my twitter account from the CLI (using python and the python-twitter library), it also has basic functions like search, follow, etc. I can edit it and add identi.ca support to it as well (a very trivial change in api call) so it can be used by you, and updates both the accounts at one time, and also you can still remain free (It was released as GPLv3). It's hosted in my github account here : https://github.com/hiemanshu/Tweeter -H P.S. : There is no GUI for it, I started writing one but stopped because there were already too many GUI clients out there This sounds like a great tool! However, it seems to provide the same features as many other clients (GUI, CLI, addons for other apps). It doesn't really address our current situation, which is that we can't share access to a single account without just shipping a passphrase around, nor can we generate any useful (?) metrics of how the account's being used or consumed. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 10:40:29AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 04:49:08PM -0500, Jan Wildeboer wrote: Try following and redenting those in the Fedoraverse. Lots and lots of stuff. Lots and lots of stuff != good quality stuff. For instance, we should not be blindly following !fedora (group tag) and catching up every random person's gripes in our timeline. We should be *watching* that group and responding with help, but that's something that every person in the Fedora community has an incentive to do, not just the small group of people creating a stream of official Fedora marketing stuff on @fedora. Forgot to note -- I do agree with the redenting bit also. When HS was available to us, we often did so, and should continue to do so. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Social networking is dead.
OK, not really, but I got your attention. But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
On 03/01/2011 02:22 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: OK, not really, but I got your attention. Yes, you did ;) But our social networking feeds are kinda dead. More specifically, our identi.ca/Twitter @fedora output. They're silent, like a ninja only without nunchucks or throwing stars. In large part this is thanks to HootSuite's closing up their entire value prop to paid customers only, leaving free accounts like ours dangling in the wind. What's that? Putting some of our eggs in a non-free basket didn't work out? Well, it's a risk we took with eyes open, at least. It was the least ineffective of a lot of suboptimal alternatives, and at least for a while it was working well. The sad fallout is that our identi.ca/twitter feeds are quiet, and we should endeavor to fix that. I did have an idea about this, but it won't help us in the short term: to manage access to our identi.ca feed through Insight via a well-supported Drupal module. There are a couple to choose from, and the great thing is all the group access would happen automagically thanks to our existing FAS integration. But... that doesn't help us *right now*. AFAICT, there are no free services that facilitate team sharing of identi.ca/twitter duties. There are several aggregators out there, and several multiplexers, but none for collaboration. Rather than wait for one to emerge, we should get the access into the right people's hands now, and look for a better solution immediately after that (up to and including the idea above). The fastest way to fix the problem, I believe, is to simply send out the password to the identi.ca account, via GPG-encrypted email, to each of the people listed in our FAS group. Is that acceptable? I think that's perfectly acceptable. The question is: What do we have as a plan going forward as far as what we want to start saying there? Or, at this point, is anything acceptable, so long as we're seeing something happening? -Robyn -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Social networking is dead.
Am 01.03.2011 22:22, schrieb Paul W. Frields: OK, not really, but I got your attention. Definitely :-) -of -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
