Re: Talking points/spotlight features
I agree with the idea of putting forward alternate spins under their branding to attract that attention. They feel buried under Spins, in that people may not go there unless they already know what a spin is. +1 to this. btw, I plan on doing an upstream marketing (how to market stuff you work on!) session at FUDCon Tempe so that developers et al can start thinking about marketing strategy, making feature profiles, etc. for their own projects without waiting for the marketing team to do the work. It'll also be good motivation for me to work on better templates and SOPs for that sort of thing. :) I envision our team here as a center of excellence/advice/help for folks who want to make things happen for their own projects, similar to how Infrastructure operates. So this may be something we can point people towards for F15, looking down the road, if we get some why doesn't my thing have marketing-shiny in F14? comments. --Mel -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
* Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com [2010-07-29 11:58]: * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) ^^ Let me know if you need more information on the new versions of Eclipse stuff. The upstream new and noteworthy sets are pretty good. Andrew -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 10:41:17AM -0400, Andrew Overholt wrote: * Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com [2010-07-29 11:58]: * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) ^^ Let me know if you need more information on the new versions of Eclipse stuff. The upstream new and noteworthy sets are pretty good. If you want to stick some links to those in the feature page(s), that would help quite a bit I think! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On 07/29/2010 06:58 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Can we have at least 1-2 talking points end-users (i.e. not developers and sysadmins) would actually care? You know, *desktop features*. Also, since it was delayed, should not we take GNOME 3 out of the features list? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Fri 30 July 2010 10:20:15 Nicu Buculei wrote: On 07/29/2010 06:58 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Can we have at least 1-2 talking points end-users (i.e. not developers and sysadmins) would actually care? You know, *desktop features*. Hi Nicu, The current feature list is indeed a little bit .. ahem... lacking on the end- user front, you're right, honestly. The creation of Fedora's marketing talking points is mostly an ad-hoc process done by, well, anyone who is interested at all, marketing, or ambassadors, or infra, or design or... :) So, I guess the question then, what do *you* want to see that attracts end- users? :) Granted, Fedora 14 won't ship Firefox 4 (your biggest disappointment I'd guess, based on your blog post[1]), but there has to be *something* that users will care about? Anything new in microblogging on the GNOME end? What about in evolution or gnome-games or ...? (I'm just listing off random ideas... I'm not a GNOME Desktop Edition user, and probably dont have much to give to the end-user experience discussion outside of the KDE Plasma Desktop Edition release.) Also, since it was delayed, should not we take GNOME 3 out of the features list? I think that's more of a FESCo decision, correct? I'd assume that it'd be taken out, and the fallback provisions (shipping GNOME 2, basically, with GNOME 3 still labelled as experimental) would be followed... All the best, Ryan [1]: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/07/no-video-for-you.html -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == == http://rix.si/page/contact/ if you need a word == signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Ryan Rix r...@n.rix.si wrote: On Fri 30 July 2010 10:20:15 Nicu Buculei wrote: On 07/29/2010 06:58 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Can we have at least 1-2 talking points end-users (i.e. not developers and sysadmins) would actually care? You know, *desktop features*. Hi Nicu, The current feature list is indeed a little bit .. ahem... lacking on the end- user front, you're right, honestly. The creation of Fedora's marketing talking points is mostly an ad-hoc process done by, well, anyone who is interested at all, marketing, or ambassadors, or infra, or design or... :) Well, I wouldn't say -entirely- ad-hoc; traditionally, as well as per the now-existing SOP (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP), Talking Points are derived from the current release's Feature List, with the exception of the Spins listed in talking points. So, Feature List for F14 looks like this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList: which pretty much leaves us with a few options: #1) We take things like MeeGo and KDE and forego putting them in a Spins category on the Talking Points, move them up to End User talking points instead, and just add some blurbs about and this will be a spin. #2) We break with tradition, and pull some stuff out of our hats that we can find that are End-User Talking Point worthy. I won't call it policy (perhaps someone else will, but I'm a happy little rulebreaker!!) - but Talking Points coming from Feature List it is a guideline we've had for some time. However, this point for Talking Point Criteria may be interesting - Talking points should be about brand new features, or a very significant follow-on to early groundwork from a previous release. The latter isn't the same as adding support for additional hardware models or regular expansion of an existing feature. I'd say that if we can find something that maybe was an significant upgrade / brand new feature, but perhaps just wasn't called out on Feature List for whatever reason, we could consider it - but keeping in mind that once we bend the rules a little bit, it will be very hard in the future to go back to being more strict about what can / cannot be a Talking Point. (And as I said, if someone feels differently about #2 here, please pipe up.) #3) We acknowledge that End-User Features are... not abundant this cycle, and mostly limited to Spins. Aside from these possibilities, just as a point maybe in the future we (Marketing, FESCo, Fedora in general) should think about saying, oh hai, Feature List is due in 1 month, 3 weeks, one week, and we're not seeing any end-user Feature List items, and now would be a great time for someone to have one. :) While marketing certainly can't and doesn't dictate what needs to be made/accomplished, we can certainly help in pointing out gaps that could be great opportunities for new contributors. -Robyn So, I guess the question then, what do *you* want to see that attracts end- users? :) Granted, Fedora 14 won't ship Firefox 4 (your biggest disappointment I'd guess, based on your blog post[1]), but there has to be *something* that users will care about? Anything new in microblogging on the GNOME end? What about in evolution or gnome-games or ...? (I'm just listing off random ideas... I'm not a GNOME Desktop Edition user, and probably dont have much to give to the end-user experience discussion outside of the KDE Plasma Desktop Edition release.) Also, since it was delayed, should not we take GNOME 3 out of the features list? I think that's more of a FESCo decision, correct? I'd assume that it'd be taken out, and the fallback provisions (shipping GNOME 2, basically, with GNOME 3 still labelled as experimental) would be followed... All the best, Ryan [1]: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/07/no-video-for-you.html -- Ryan Rix == http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://rix.si/ == == http://rix.si/page/contact/ if you need a word == -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: It's that time again -- time for us to figure out the features that we want to spend a little extra effort calling out in the next Fedora release because they're particularly innovative or interesting. The full explanation of talking points is found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP Note that talking points are *not* a comprehensive list. The list is meant to be short and effective at sparking the interest of many different groups. This helps show that there is something for lots of people in Fedora. The main source for the talking points is in the feature list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Things not on that list which might merit inclusion include the new website design, underway and hopefully rolling out for F14. I've been working on a PR schedule to assist Jared in his FPL duties, and next week he is supposed to meet with Red Hat's Creative team. In the near future, the team will shoot videos to help show off spotlight features in Fedora 14. So the sooner we have talking points included, the easier we will make their job too. Can we start this process slightly early? I have no issues with this - in fact, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points is already being filled out. -robyn -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Talking points/spotlight features
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:12:30AM -0700, Robyn Bergeron wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Robyn Bergeron robyn.berge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: It's that time again -- time for us to figure out the features that we want to spend a little extra effort calling out in the next Fedora release because they're particularly innovative or interesting. The full explanation of talking points is found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_SOP Note that talking points are *not* a comprehensive list. The list is meant to be short and effective at sparking the interest of many different groups. This helps show that there is something for lots of people in Fedora. The main source for the talking points is in the feature list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FeatureList Off the top of my head, I see some very compelling stuff to which we might call people's attention: * systemd * EC2 * MeeGo * Roll-up of programming tools (D, Eclipse Helios, GNUstep, debugging tools) Things not on that list which might merit inclusion include the new website design, underway and hopefully rolling out for F14. I've been working on a PR schedule to assist Jared in his FPL duties, and next week he is supposed to meet with Red Hat's Creative team. In the near future, the team will shoot videos to help show off spotlight features in Fedora 14. So the sooner we have talking points included, the easier we will make their job too. Can we start this process slightly early? I have no issues with this - in fact, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Talking_Points is already being filled out. And if we want to - we could do an impromptu meeting around this tomorrow - I know rrix had planned on kicking off the process on Tuesday at the next marketing meeting (I'll be driving somewhere in Wyoming, although I hope to have arrived and be in my hotel by this point, but I am perpetually not on time to my hotel when driving with childrenz). Or we could do it Monday, but at that point, I'd almost say we could just wait till Tuesday during our regularly scheduled time. I'm not sure that we've done a meeting around it at the beginning, other than to say, let's send out email to a few lists and get some people involved in helping round out the list on the wiki - usually, IIRC, we've just had the meeting at the tail end to go through what people have already populated. Thoughts? Right you are about just kicking it off -- in fact, there's a form email in the SOP. Perhaps Ryan would like to send that out, to kick off the process? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
