[Fwd: Slides from GNOME on BSD presentation]
Hi all, Another GNOME presentation that we can include in the pool of stuff for GNOME marketing. I'll attach this to live.gnome.org - anyone know of other presentations that we should collect, or even other places where presentations are gathered, that we should point to? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- I recently gave a talk entitled GNOME on BSD at the Canadian BSD conference, BSDCan. I've put the slides into a ridiculous web gallery thinger. The tarball is at: http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_on_bsd_slides.tar.bz2 Any chance it could be included in the archive along with the slides from other GNOME-related presentations on the GNOME ftp server? # Adam -- Adam Weinberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectors.cx -- http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-private From time to time confidential and sensitive information will be discussed on this mailing list. Please take care to mark confidential information as confidential, and do not redistribute this information without permission. ---End Message--- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME tour?
I don't think we have any online tour of GNOME yet. I'm thinking of something like the release notes that we do every six months, but looking at the whole instead of just the changes. This might get our message across to the people who don't take the time to test something, even a LiveCD. So, what would we put in that tour? I can think of - File Management - The Panel and some everyday applets. - Evolution - GnomeMeeting - Preferences - System Tools - System Admin tools/lockdown -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Slides from GNOME on BSD presentation]
On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Another GNOME presentation that we can include in the pool of stuff for GNOME marketing. I'll attach this to live.gnome.org - anyone know of other presentations that we should collect, or even other places where presentations are gathered, that we should point to? there are a bunch in ftp- I believe l.g.o points at them somewhere. Luis -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: Adam Weinberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:30:07 -0400 Subject: Slides from GNOME on BSD presentation I recently gave a talk entitled GNOME on BSD at the Canadian BSD conference, BSDCan. I've put the slides into a ridiculous web gallery thinger. The tarball is at: http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_on_bsd_slides.tar.bz2 Any chance it could be included in the archive along with the slides from other GNOME-related presentations on the GNOME ftp server? # Adam -- Adam Weinberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vectors.cx -- http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-private From time to time confidential and sensitive information will be discussed on this mailing list. Please take care to mark confidential information as confidential, and do not redistribute this information without permission. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
Hi Murray, Luis has been talking about something like this using vnc2swf or vino+GStreamer to generate Theora. Which is nice, and sounds like a step towards having these demos. Murray Cumming a écrit : So, what would we put in that tour? I can think of - File Management - The Panel and some everyday applets. - Evolution - GnomeMeeting - Preferences - System Tools - System Admin tools/lockdown - Messaging (Gossip/GAIM) - Web browsing (Evolution/Firefox) - Music management (CD ripping, burning, music management playing) - Photo management (if we have something we can present here) - Office (a quick Abiword/GNUMeric/gnome-db demo) - OpenOffice (ask for one to be made by the OOo people?) - Games (Solitaire, Monkey Bubbles, Tetris, gnect) - Document viewing (evince, if it gets into 2.12) - General utility stuff (calculator, character palette, dictionary, search (while we're waiting for beagle)) - Help (yelp) When we have a standard way to do it, I'd love to have a simple beginners tour for the GIMP too. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Slides from GNOME on BSD presentation]
Hi, Luis Villa a écrit : there are a bunch in ftp- I believe l.g.o points at them somewhere. That would be better. What do I have to do to get an account which can upload onto ftp.gnome.org? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Murray, Luis has been talking about something like this using vnc2swf or vino+GStreamer to generate Theora. Which is nice, and sounds like a step towards having these demos. For the liveCD, I'd like to use Theora, but probably flash or even still/simple screenshots makes sense for the web. Murray Cumming a écrit : So, what would we put in that tour? I can think of - File Management - The Panel and some everyday applets. - Evolution - GnomeMeeting - Preferences - System Tools - System Admin tools/lockdown - Messaging (Gossip/GAIM) - Web browsing (Evolution/Firefox) - Music management (CD ripping, burning, music management playing) - Photo management (if we have something we can present here) - Office (a quick Abiword/GNUMeric/gnome-db demo) - OpenOffice (ask for one to be made by the OOo people?) - Games (Solitaire, Monkey Bubbles, Tetris, gnect) - Document viewing (evince, if it gets into 2.12) - General utility stuff (calculator, character palette, dictionary, search (while we're waiting for beagle)) - Help (yelp) Note that I won't be doing anything that covers even 50% of this, particularly given that scripts need to be written and sample material generated for every demo, since they have to be translated and redone for other languages. So anything I do would start off very, very simple- menus, file management, maybe totem and the web. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Slides from GNOME on BSD presentation]
On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Luis Villa a écrit : there are a bunch in ftp- I believe l.g.o points at them somewhere. That would be better. What do I have to do to get an account which can upload onto ftp.gnome.org? Not the faintest :) Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
Hi Luis, Luis Villa a écrit : On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murray Cumming a écrit : lots of stuff Note that I won't be doing anything that covers even 50% of this, particularly given that scripts need to be written and sample material generated for every demo, since they have to be translated and redone for other languages. So anything I do would start off very, very simple- menus, file management, maybe totem and the web. I forgot about movies... I had this vision that it would work more or less like this: 1) Luis comes up with documents the process for doing demos, along the way doing one or two demos. 2) Dave, Luis, Murray and anyone else interested hassles maintainers of various modules to create a demo by following the instructions (improving the instructions in the process). We can do some demos of course, but we don't have to do them all. 3) ... 4) Profit!!! Is this far out of line with what you were expecting? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luis, Luis Villa a écrit : On 5/17/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murray Cumming a écrit : lots of stuff Note that I won't be doing anything that covers even 50% of this, particularly given that scripts need to be written and sample material generated for every demo, since they have to be translated and redone for other languages. So anything I do would start off very, very simple- menus, file management, maybe totem and the web. I forgot about movies... I had this vision that it would work more or less like this: 1) Luis comes up with documents the process for doing demos, along the way doing one or two demos. 2) Dave, Luis, Murray and anyone else interested hassles maintainers of various modules to create a demo by following the instructions (improving the instructions in the process). We can do some demos of course, but we don't have to do them all. 3) ... 4) Profit!!! Is this far out of line with what you were expecting? Given that my philosophy is not to hassle maintainers for anything not directly related to code (and that in fact I tend to get pissy when I hear about anyone hassling maintainers for any non-code reason), yes, it is fairly far out of line with what I had in mind. A plethora of demos (one per module?) that no one watches doesn't really do anyone any good; you need a small number (really, IMHO, one good/longish one, potentially a couple 'learn more...' for complex/important issues) of videos, done with the same style, tone, pacing, etc., and such throughout. That probably means a few core volunteers who step up to do it, after figuring out what is important and scripting it out. OTOH, in the more-scattered-but-JFDI approach, there is already someone attempting to do a module-by-module approach here: http://linuxlife.myeburg.net/ Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:04:21 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the liveCD, I'd like to use Theora, but probably flash or even still/simple screenshots makes sense for the web. A screenshot tour (8 - 10 shots, maybe) along with explanations what is shown on the screenshot would be fine and sufficient for a start, IHMO. Maybe we can start editing a rought guideline (ie the explanations) on a wiki page? Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On 5/17/05, Claus Schwarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:04:21 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the liveCD, I'd like to use Theora, but probably flash or even still/simple screenshots makes sense for the web. A screenshot tour (8 - 10 shots, maybe) along with explanations what is shown on the screenshot would be fine and sufficient for a start, IHMO. Agreed. Would definitely be the right place to start, at any rate- we can always turn the screenshots into a video once we're happy with the content. BTW, don't know if you've seen the crazy OSnews screenshot tours- they are badly overkill, IMHO, but they are something to skim over/think about: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305slide=28title=ubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots Maybe we can start editing a rought guideline (ie the explanations) on a wiki page? Sure! A simple outline in the wiki would be a great place to start. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 09:17 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 5/17/05, Claus Schwarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:04:21 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the liveCD, I'd like to use Theora, but probably flash or even still/simple screenshots makes sense for the web. A screenshot tour (8 - 10 shots, maybe) along with explanations what is shown on the screenshot would be fine and sufficient for a start, IHMO. Agreed. Would definitely be the right place to start, at any rate- we can always turn the screenshots into a video once we're happy with the content. Yes, we could link to the extended demos from the parts of the text/screenshots tour. But I was thinking of just text/screenshots as something that demands far less time and involvement from the reader. This is also something that we can translate, as we did the release notes. I think I'll get it started over the next few days. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME tour?
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:37:29 +0100 Simos Xenitellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, do a guideline for an initial tour and I'll try to make a demo in vnc2swf as well, just to compare how they look and feel, and quantify the amount of extra work. It will take a few days, because I'm busy with organizing other things right now. Some points to mention a. In general getting people to redo the tutorial for their own language is a difficult task, as they will have to get the skills in doing it. See for example the screenshots for the release notes of GNOME 2.10. There was different degrees of quality and many did not manage to make them on time (ok, they had to get garnome/jhbuild for these..) In fact, I once tried to understand the screenshots of the 2.8 release from a newbie's point of view. If you never worked with GNOME before, the meaning of many screenshots is not obvious. This is why I'd like to add proper descriptions (and a little bit of promotion). A nice example: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/scalable-gnibbles.png ( This isn't a game, isn't it? What about 3D ? ) Another one: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/nautilus-new-authentication-dialog.png ( Without knowledge of internet adresses, you may wonder why you have to log in to view your files? ) and the last: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/emel-kepada-jdub.jpg ( Is this a browser showing at a web mail account, a mail client with tabs, or something completely different? And you say, GNOME is easy? ) b. The ideal situation is when one person can do the tutorials for several languages, simply by switching between locales, and not requiring much on understanding the local language. There has been a request to the gtk+ people to allow for fast-switching between locales without having to restart the program. If you find any of the gtk+ people, chat with them if this is achievable, as it will help in many ways the localisation teams. Ok, this point is just for some hints, let's not divert attention away from the tutorial issue... :) c. Along with the SWF/AVI tutorial it's possible to add sound, as with a person describing what's being done. The effect is marvelous, though it's much more work. The main problem will be to find somebody with a good voice, and the proper equipment to record speech, I guess. But I agree: That would be amazing! :) d. Another option is to create animated GIFs, perhaps as a way to enhace screenshot-only presentations. Again, rougly speaking, animated GIF-Flash-AVI. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Four (open-source) Greek fonts are now available, and why it's relevant
Luis Villa wrote: So, a more detailed followup to my first 'ooh, cool' post, and moving to board a bit I would love to do a press release, but it obviously opens up questions of 'when will bitstream vera sans 1.0.1 come out?', which we don't have answers to :) Also, as far as I can tell (and please correct me if I'm wrong, Simos) the only link to gnome here is that these fonts use the same license as the fonts at gnome.org/fonts/, correct? That is an awfully tenous link to market around, it seems to me, but I'm open to convincing? A press release by the GNOME Foundation would be nice, though I too believe the link with this font announcement may not be strong enough. The real benefit from the GNOME Foundation efforts is with the Copyright text, found at http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ In general it's cumbersome to make fonts available as free software. The easy way is to simply include the GPL text in the tarball. However, in many cases, fonts are donations from commercial entities who would like some sort of minor restrictions to the use of the fonts, as described in the Bitstream Vera copyright. There are many fonts on the Web which are described as free (free, but for personal use only, free for use with this application only, free but do not modify, etc) but are not suitable to be included in Linux distributions. For example, CODE2001 (http://home.att.net/~jameskass/code2001.htm) includes glyphs (characters) for many Unicode ranges that no GPL font exists yet, covering most of the empty spaces in the BMP and Plane 1 planes. The author mentions that he does not want modifications to the font which is fair enough, and the Bitstream Vera-style copyright enforces just this restriction; you can add/change glyphs as long as you change the name to the resulting new font. Third-parties are encouraged to contact the author of the font regarding additions/corrections they may have so no forking takes place. Therefore, an interesting task I can see is to make a document with simple guidelines on releasing fonts as open-source 1. Is the GPL suitable for you? If so, release as GPL, add gpl.txt to the tarball, edit the font header and that's it. 2. If not, use a Bitstream Vera-style license, edit the Copyright document by filling in the placeholders, [do some extra work], add copyright.txt to the tarball, edit font header and that's it. 3. After both 1. and 2., make them available to the Debian project (if debian accepts the fonts, every distro can use (tm)) with a ttf- name. See http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/t/ for all the ttf-xxx packages. 4. Publicise to a list of font sources. /me thinks out loud... Maybe we could move all the fonts to freedesktop, move the mailing list there, get them hosted there, and include these other two fonts with the same license at the same place (ideally), and do some press around that? That seems like a much better place than gnome.org for them, realistically, from a technical/organizational point of view, anyway. I believe that most fonts can be served at their individual Web sites. In general, they are bound to have copies at their http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/t/ttf-xxx repository which is ideal source for other distributions to grab from. For the mgopen fonts, the individual location is http://www.ellak.gr/fonts/mgopen/, the Debian repository is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-mgopen I believe that making a guide on releasing fonts by the GNOME Foundation or some other organisation would be a good step to get more fonts made open-source. Based on this guide we could have press releases to the sort New open-source font made available, thanks to our guide. With luck, more donations of fonts will take place. Hope this long e-mail makes sense! Simos Luis (who has gotten into the bad habit of brainstorming aloud on lists :) On 5/15/05, Simos Xenitellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just to announce the availability of four Greek fonts, at http://www.ellak.gr/fonts/mgopen/ Why it matters to the marketing list? There are limited non-latin fonts which are distributed as open-source. It's important to populate the list of available open-source fonts for a language, as they can be made available on any Linux distribution. A graphical environment (such as GNOME) is made more appealing to the end-user if there are beautiful fonts available. Until now, Greek GNOME users had freefont (FreeSerif and FreeSans) as the only good quality proportional fonts for the graphical interface. All, these fonts were previously commercial and got recently donated. The licence process chosen was that of the Bitstream Vera fonts, at http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ initiated by the GNOME Foundation. Another example of a font distributed with a Bitstream Vera-style license is Nafees Web Naskh (http://crulp.org/nafeesWebNaskh.html). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus
