Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

[Havoc Pennington]

Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
> On 7/14/06, *Jeff Waugh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a
> while, but I
> guess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever
> we talk
> about GNOME, we *must* talk first and foremost about benefits, and
> then back
> it up with the features.
> 
> 
> Amen. :)
> 
> One of the things that seems to be drifting with GNOME both in its 
> current form and in the upcoming (and proposed Topaz) is that a whole 
> bunch of features are getting tossed at the end user without actively 
> bundling them together in a coherent whole of benefits accrued.
> 
> Why would end users use GNOME and thus Linux unless they are sold on the 
> benefits of using them ? The bells and whistles would come later and 
> would come in a logical followup.
> 

wrt marketing, Seth Godin ("Purple Cow") does a good job arguing for 
making something that stands out, vs. figuring out how to get whatever 
you made to stand out (after you're done making it).

thought about from a design rather than marketing angle; why would end 
users use GNOME and Linux if those things were not designed/invented to 
benefit them?

The goal should not be "get people to use Linux" but to provide benefits 
to people. Linux or GNOME or Java or Mono or a web site or a hardware 
device or whatever it is should be implementation, not goal.

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Re: [Fwd: Idea: optional info "about" Gnome Friends]

[Fred H Olson]

Hi,

I just subscribed after Quim forwarded my message that started this
thread to this list.

Sankarshan wrote:

> Spreading GNOME through word-of-mouth of friends who appreciate the work
> done and are recognised on the GNOME site might not be a bad idea after
> all. Although putting up a listing of the same might become cumbersome
> in the long run. Would a map "Friends of GNOME" map be a more useful
> interface ?

Yes scaling should be considered so the mechanism can hopefully work for a
while.  As long as we are dreaming the points on the map could be links
into a database of as much as the Friend it represents cares to release.
I'd actually be somewhat inclined to reduce the emphasis on the amount
contributed - seems more egalitarian - some people can afford to
contribute more and therefore different amounts have different
significance etc etc.  On the other hand peer pressure to do more is not
all bad.  Imagine trying to quantify how much work was contributed.  Whew.

Browseable by name in some fashion, having the database searchable and a
map all seem useful.


BTW I was surprized that I had to brwose quite a few Gnome pages till I
came across a reference to Open Source Software which surprized me - it's
not on the home page.  I don't really understand the Free software vs OSS.
I was pleased to see the Gnome page seemed to deemphasize the difference
in the two terms.

Fred

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Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

[Calum Benson]

On 17 Jul 2006, at 11:36, Gergely Nagy wrote:

>
> Yet, if you said "I think it applies more to Josh than Harrison", I
> would have to go and look up who they really are. But if you said "I
> think it applies more to the admin guy than the programmer", I could
> easily say yes, you are right :)

That's just a question of familiarity though... the whole point is  
that you should get to know your personas as well as you know your  
friends.  Of course, that's why it really helps to include photos...  
some companies even encourage you to pin the persona photos on your  
cubicle wall so they're always in your thoughts when you're writing  
or designing stuff :)

Cheeri,
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Re: [Fwd: Idea: optional info "about" Gnome Friends]

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On 7/17/06, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:[snipping off bits of the forwarded mail]
 I think recognition of Friends is great - we all like to be appreciatedand this is a great way.  How about offering Friends the option of listing
something about themselves e.g.o home location (encouraged)o a few words about interestso a url or email addr (preferable: url to page that has email)Spreading GNOME through word-of-mouth of friends who appreciate the work done and are recognised on the GNOME site might not be a bad idea after all. Although putting up a listing of the same might become cumbersome in the long run. Would a map "Friends of GNOME" map be a more useful interface ?
:Sankarshan-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
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Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On 7/14/06, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have been banging on this drum in the Ubuntu community for a while, but Iguess I haven't been banging it sufficiently loud in GNOME: Whenever we talkabout GNOME, we *must* talk first and foremost about benefits, and then back
it up with the features.Amen. :)One of the things that seems to be drifting with GNOME both in its current form and in the upcoming (and proposed Topaz) is that a whole bunch of features are getting tossed at the end user without actively bundling them together in a coherent whole of benefits accrued.
Why would end users use GNOME and thus Linux unless they are sold on the benefits of using them ? The bells and whistles would come later and would come in a logical followup.:Sankarshan-- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; 
But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw
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Re: On breaking the woohoo barrier...thoughts on how GNOME can get great

[Gergely Nagy]

On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 10:44 +1200, Glynn Foster wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Santiago Roza wrote:
> > On 7/14/06, Glynn Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> I even started on some profiles, with a more 'human' aspect [1] -
> >> http://live.gnome.org/JoshWilliams
> >> http://live.gnome.org/HarrisonJacobs
> > 
> > 
> > and what's the difference between these two and the ones we had
> > before, other than having a random "human" name and a face (both
> > american btw), a similar job, a similar age, and very similar needs?
> > :)
> 
> I think having a name and a face is amazingly useful - helps people to
> visualize the types of people they are and what their lives might
> involve. I didn't know about the other Personas wiki page [if it even
> existed then], otherwise I would have taken those profiles, added some
> pictures and names.

Yet, if you said "I think it applies more to Josh than Harrison", I
would have to go and look up who they really are. But if you said "I
think it applies more to the admin guy than the programmer", I could
easily say yes, you are right :)

Greg

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Re: Wiki changes [Was: Personas]

[Dave Neary]

Hi,

James Henstridge wrote:
> On 16/07/06, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can you tell me how? The little feed icon's gone, and I couldn't find an
>> rss action.
> 
> Still seems available as here:
> 
> http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc
> 
> There is a comment at the top of that page explaining the various
> options you can change what goes into the RSS feed (include diffs,
> number of items, etc).

Hm. Doesn't work as a live bookmark in Firefox. Works in Sage though.

Cheers,
Dave.

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[Fwd: Idea: optional info "about" Gnome Friends]

[Quim Gil]

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Hi,

I've just been browsing the gnome.org site (I think for the first time).
I'm very impressed (with ver 2.14 as well).  I had an idea.

I think recognition of Friends is great - we all like to be appreciated
and this is a great way.  How about offering Friends the option of listing
something about themselves e.g.
o home location (encouraged)
o a few words about interests
o a url or email addr (preferable: url to page that has email)

All this would be limited to what could be displayed on one line in
columns (that were retained when captured) for sorting.  Remember all is
optional.

A couple thought on displaying of Friends **
It might be nice to be able to list all friends in one page (till that
becomes impractical :) with a tag for what years they contributed at what
level.  Having this sortable by locaion would be neat.  If all years are
not in one page some way to search all would be nice.

** Note that you seem to be using "Friends" to ways:
All who contibute any amount
Those who contibute up to $25

One last thought, the folks who work on Gnome as volunteers deserve
recognition as well.  Maybe monitary contributors and work contibutors
could be recognised in an integrated list.  Of course some are both.

I lied, on more last (blue sky) thought.  Gnome is not the only OSS
project that people can contibute ($ or wk) to and it is unreasonable to
expect any one person to contribute much ($ or wk) to multiple / many
deserving projects.  Therefore maybe someday there could be an integrated
OSS member / $ or work contributor recognition system.

I lied again, one last even bluer sky idea.  OSS is only one part of
a bunch of alternative better visions for the world to which people can
volunterr $ and work.  Maybe someday we cna have an even broader
recognition system.

BTW in my chosen volunteer field ( Communications for Justice -
http://justcomm.org (using Mailman for good causes)), I dream of someday
having some kind of "validated community participant" system that many
different discussion and announcement systems etc could share the
validation we now do usually on a per list basis (thru subscribe /
confirmation email / response to complete subscription).  This would allow
one to choose what to participate in with a simple checkbox from a page
(heirarchy of pages) once they had logged with their validated community
participant (VCP) username and password.  This came to mind since the
consolidated contributor system and the VCP sysem might be usefully
integrated.  Obviously there are many challenges including privacy and
trust issues. But one needs a vision. Dream on.

Sorry this message got way out of hand...  Feel free to forward it to
whomever if you feel appropriate.
or refer them to the blog version I decided to make -
http://fholson.cohousing.org/blog/index.htm#g7h

Keep up the good work.

Fred

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Re: Personas

[Álvaro Ortiz]

"Personas" are a very common tool in HCI/interaction design (the root 
discipline from where web design and desktop design derives).

For those interested in knowing more about "personas" and why it is a 
standard and recorgnised tool for gathering user requirements I would 
recommend the BBC 2002 Redesign document [1].

It includes a section on "Personas" that pretty much tells you all you 
need to know about them (among other key points in web design).

There is also an article [2] which talks about Personas in the BBC 
context and gives more insight into them.


[1] http://homepage.mac.com/eyedropper/docs/glasswall.pdf
[2] http://www.infotoday.com/Online/jul03/head.shtml


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