Re: www.gnome.org - content, scope, structure
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 15:00 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > Hi everyone :) > > I've signed up for two of the goals for 2.16, because > they're closely related: > * Define the content and scope of www.gnome.org > * Define a clear structure for www.gnome.org > > So... before I willy-nilly wade into the draft [1] and > play about with it, what are everybody's thoughts on > this? > > What should wgo provide to a visitor? > It's our shopfront -- we should be able to attract a > curious passer-by, and welcome in regular visitors. Here are my thoughts: I think no one should need to scroll in WGO page (with current page I have 1200px height and I still have to scroll (a wee bit)). It's meant to be a gateway and you're not supposed to spend too much time on the index page. I think it should be separated into 3 sections, maybe using tabs and allowing users to change from "user" to "developer" to "business" (like http://www.suse.org does) or using images (maybe kind of like http://www.redhat.com has the 3 images). On top of these these tabs or images, we could have a flashy press release or promo page or whatever you want to call it, for one of our gnome "products" (why shouldn't we call them products?). I think two things lacking in the current gnome page is flashy images and no attention is paid to developers and businesses. Since businesses usually have a huge following (employees), a business converting would mean so many people being exposed to gnome. So, I think we need to take advantage of that. As far as developers, I don't think we're paying much attention to them. I think the dev*.gnome.org page is a joke. We have a lot of work to do. Onto a little different topic, there is no reason people shouldn't know about the gnome brand. It completely shocked me when almost all of the student in my marketing class put up their hand when the prof asked who had heard of intel. People should know about gnome too, at the very least people using linux should know gnome. Anyway, those are my thoughts. -Gezim > Newcomers should be able to discover what gnome is, > what it can do for them, and how they can get it. > Regulars should be able to get major news on gnome > (releases, maybe previews of what developers are > working on), and be pointed on to more specialized > parts of the site: funky artwork for their gnome, more > gnome apps, gnome documentation, support forums, etc. > > If I might share a personal anecdote: several years > ago I heard about gnome and I visited the site. What I > saw looked very interesting, but I left unable to > answer two questions: What actually *is* gnome -- is > it an OS, or what? Assuming I want gnome, what do I > need and what do I do? > To be fair, I looked up the term 'desktop environment' > on Wikipedia, and I *still* didn't understand it. > We're in the slightly tricky situation of trying to > sell something that most people don't understand. > > Anyway, I'm starting to get too much into the > specifics of what should be on an 'About gnome' page. > So over to you :) > > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure > > > > > > ___ > Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
> BTW, is there truly a need to re-invent the wheel and create a new > software map? There isn't, and that's hopefully not what we're doing. I don't know why Claus is interpreting the direction of the discussion that way. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Just because I sit in front of a terminal all day doesn't mean I couldn't hunt you down and righteously kick your ass to feed my newfound cannabalism." - Darwinian System Administration -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
> However, since gnomefiles is running well, we should really ask ourselves > why we should introduce another one. It doesn't seem like, after some thought about what we want to achieve for ourselves and our users, that anything like gnomefiles is what we want to introduce on wgo (partly because it already exists)... So there's no danger of doing that. > And the points mentioned by Jeff can easily be satiesfied by the > project.gnome.org/* homepages, and any other homepages elsewhere, be this > Novell apps or whatever. Where "easily satisfied" on my terms demands some introspective thought and design. Just saying "whack up a home page" or "create projects.gnome.org" does *not* satisfy my questions - in fact that's the whole reason I've been asking them. (You don't need to contribute to this aspect of the site if you are not interested in it or think it is irrelevant.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ Money can't buy me grok. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
Hi! On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:33:53 +0200 Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd say the major "mistake" is that everybody assumes something > different :) Hehe. That's not a mistake, that's a feature! ;-) Seriously: I admit 'mistake' was not the right word. However, isn't that one of the advantages of a discussion? To be able to remove misunderstandigs due to different assumptions? You said, the 'map' is useful because it's authoritative. What does this mean? An experienced user isn't going to mind what GNOME calls 'authoritative'. And an inexperienced user is going to use whatever the distribution installs by default. They have no clue what a 'GNOME' is. For them, their distribution is authoritative. You also mention that the software map is translated. This is of course nice but as a user I'd probably be more interested in a localized version of download.com -- I know there are several such maps (for Windows apps) in Germany that are not just translated but deal with local requirements as well. And I'd consider a translated version of an incomplete software map rather useless. Maybe that's just me. Btw, you may like to check on this involvement stuff, again. It basically means that people are not interested even if we make nice looking pages with nice words and proper graphics. They won't pay attention becasue they will not even click the link to the page. Anyway. I do not suggest that anybody stops to spend his time on making a software map. It's his time, not mine. In fact, me and a few other guys spend quite some time on making a software map for GNOME as a replacement for the old one. Back then, that made sense because it was designed to promote the complete GNOME eco-system. [1] However, since gnomefiles is running well, we should really ask ourselves why we should introduce another one. And the points mentioned by Jeff can easily be satiesfied by the project.gnome.org/* homepages, and any other homepages elsewhere, be this Novell apps or whatever. Cheers, Claus [1] http://gnome-apps.berlios.de/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
>Why compete in the first place? BTW, sorry if I misunderstood (it's not clear what the Software Map really is). Is SoftwareMap a generic gtk/gnome software repository, or specific official Gnome "product"-app pages? Eugenia -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
I have also removed the big main ad on gnomefiles for now (I did that a few days ago). It may come back only if the expenses of the server go to the roof. BTW, is there truly a need to re-invent the wheel and create a new software map? I have complied with Gnome's main requests, so why gnomefiles itself can't be that software map? I mean, it's there, it works, it has over 1450 apps listed so far. Why restart from the beginning instead of working together? Why have our readers visit two pages instead of one? Why compete in the first place? Eugenia - Original Message - From: "Eugenia Loli-Queru" To: "marketing list" Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map > >Gnomefiles has an unfriendly url scheme. Try guessing the app id... > > Fixed: > http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/SSH+Tunnel+Manager > >>Also, gnomefiles.org is _not_ authoritative > > I am not sure what this means. > >>and not translated. > > No, and it will never be, because the developers only write their NEWS > files in english. 95% of the site's content is created by the developers > themselves. If I would make the site's own menus let's say in french, and > all other content was submitted only in english, it would look really bad > and confusing. English it is. I am personally Greek and I have no interest > at all to see the site in Greek. I see no point. > >>Additionally, AFAIK app info can only be updated by the single person who >>registered it. > > A team can very easily share a password to update their entry. The BEAST > team does exactly that AFAIK. Gnomefiles is a single user site, and it > will remain as such, as it's easier to maintain. > > Eugenia -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
>Gnomefiles has an unfriendly url scheme. Try guessing the app id... Fixed: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/SSH+Tunnel+Manager >Also, gnomefiles.org is _not_ authoritative I am not sure what this means. >and not translated. No, and it will never be, because the developers only write their NEWS files in english. 95% of the site's content is created by the developers themselves. If I would make the site's own menus let's say in french, and all other content was submitted only in english, it would look really bad and confusing. English it is. I am personally Greek and I have no interest at all to see the site in Greek. I see no point. >Additionally, AFAIK app info can only be updated by the single person who >registered it. A team can very easily share a password to update their entry. The BEAST team does exactly that AFAIK. Gnomefiles is a single user site, and it will remain as such, as it's easier to maintain. Eugenia -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
> The main goals site [1] says: > * Be the primary resource of information and materials about the GNOME > project > > According to this, I would assume the goal of such apps pages is to be > the one-stop authoritative info source on gnome applications Yeah, modulo the expansive view of 'products' rather than 'applications'. I want to see these pages as the #1 hit in Google for their product name. That implies a few things: * These pages need to be useful for users - they should link to everything about the product that is relevant, be it documentation, bug trackers, downloads, news, whatever. They're basically mini websites. * These pages need to be easily maintained by maintainers and web hackers. A fairly big chunk of the information can still be machine processed even if we're not looking at the plaid, database style gnomefiles/download.com model. * We need to know what is the primary site and what's not, or change the game. For instance, basically none of the Novell sponsored apps will be on here because they have their own sites - is that a good thing? * It must be awesome enough for maintainers to want to host their product pages here. * Distros and other places that point to product websites should all be using these, if they're the primary pages for the product. I'm starting to think 'structured wiki' (some people call this a semantic or application wiki) more than anything else, in terms of how to approach the problem. Make it easy to create a basic project site, automate the boring things like cvs/bugzilla/documentation links, but also make it flexible for the needs of the product... Because /desktop/ will be different to /gedit/. (Just throwing thoughts into the ring, really.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Everyone says they like Free Software - not everyone is ready to make the tough choices to make it happen." - Maciej Stachowiak -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
> Here's what I believe is the major mistake in the discussion: Everybody > seems to assume that an ordinary user is interested in reading all this > stuff on our main page. I'd say the major "mistake" is that everybody assumes something different :) IMHO what causes the confusion is that the goals of the SW map have not been written down explicitly. todolist.add(swmapgoals). The main goals site [1] says: * Be the primary resource of information and materials about the GNOME project According to this, I would assume the goal of such apps pages is to be the one-stop authoritative info source on gnome applications, that is translated into multiple languages. As such, I see no other existing resource that matches. > An ordinary user has better things to do to surf to GNOME's homepage. > If they do, they will probably spend, well, maybe a minute or two on > the page and that's probably an overestimation. That's why we are trying to make it more useful ;) Jeff: I was getting into technical details 'cause that's my table. It was more like brainstorming ideas than making decisions already. > Even the minority of guys and gals who are interested in this somehow, > don't mind some pages sorted under wgo -- there's no advantage using > some strange wgo/apps/app/ pages when gnomefiles.org lists them all, > without the politics, but including the opportunity to exchange comments > with other users. My point was to not make the naming under /apps/ totally arbitrary, so that it can be pointed to (semi)automatically from _where-ever_... For example, if an app crashes, and we display a bug reporting dialog we could try to guess the wgo/app/appname url (perhaps do a HTTP HEAD in the background to see if the page actually exists--or not, for privacy's sake) to give more info about the crashed app. Just a silly example, but hopefully illustrates that the possibilities are endless... Gnomefiles has an unfriendly url scheme. Try guessing the app id... Also, gnomefiles.org is _not_ authoritative, and not translated. Additionally, AFAIK app info can only be updated by the single person who registered it. > There is no need for another software map, anymore. I think the goals are misunderstood. > All we need are some homepages for GNOME's projects so each one can > offer a complete collection of relevant material or links for the > minority who *really* needs some more information. This is why > projects.gnome.org/* makes sense -- we get it out of the way of the wgo > revamp, and can help each projects piece by piece when there's time and > sufficient resources. Meanwhile, they can continue doing whatever they > do with their homepages anyway. And we can link to these pages from wgo > if we *really* need (but with the exception of some showcase projects > we don't need that anyway.) I agree we need a projects.gnome.org for that purpose. I don't agree that's all we need. That said, prgo is definitely out of scope for this release. > Referencing what Apple does is useless. Just because Apple offers > these pages, who says their pages are used by any relevant amount of > visitors? I think apple would not make such pages it they were useless :) I don't know many mac apps, but i know there is something like iLife. I think it's pretty cool I can just type www.apple.com/ilife. And I think they get it quite right just how much info is necessary to pimp their product. Clearly we cannot just copypaste it, but it's definitely something to look at. > > What we really should look at for reference is download.com -- when one > count the number of applications in the sub-categories, one gets over > 14.000 desktop applications! 14.000! > > And (nearly) all of them are easy to install. I think download.com is not relevant at all for wgo. d.c was meant for the poor souls without a proper package manager :) Also, according to the latest, our most numerous users are in (large) deployments, who cannot just go out and get a random app. Yet, I think they might find an info page about their email client useful. See what cool features are in it, etc. > Even gnomefiles.org is miles away from download.com and this is our > major marketing problem. Yes and no. :) > > To summerize: People interested in a software map will probably use > gnomefiles and/or kde-apps because these provide better overview. Those > who are not interested (yet) in getting information about more apps are > unlikely to visit wgo for getting detailed information that GNOME > includes Evolution or other -- from their point of view: strange > -- stuff. They are satiesfied when we tell them that GNOME offers a > default E-Mail client. Agreed, gnomefiles.org does a great job at being a software map. I see wgo as a middle ground between the official fullblown home page of an app (_if_ such a site exists at all!) and a spartan software map with minimal info. Keywords here: authoritative, localized. Sooo, that's my point of view, looking forward to hear others. M
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
Hi! On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:10:03 +0200 Gergely Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > What's the policy on hiding appnames? For Average Joe it's not > trivial to find out that the file manager is nautilus or the movie > player is totem... > [snip] Here's what I believe is the major mistake in the discussion: Everybody seems to assume that an ordinary user is interested in reading all this stuff on our main page. An ordinary user has better things to do to surf to GNOME's homepage. If they do, they will probably spend, well, maybe a minute or two on the page and that's probably an overestimation. Speaking in the lingo of marketing science: You assume a high-involvement consumer [1] which is probably wrong. This is basically the same mistage that the UNIX guys do when they assume that people read manuals! Even the minority of guys and gals who are interested in this somehow, don't mind some pages sorted under wgo -- there's no advantage using some strange wgo/apps/app/ pages when gnomefiles.org lists them all, without the politics, but including the opportunity to exchange comments with other users. There is no need for another software map, anymore. All we need are some homepages for GNOME's projects so each one can offer a complete collection of relevant material or links for the minority who *really* needs some more information. This is why projects.gnome.org/* makes sense -- we get it out of the way of the wgo revamp, and can help each projects piece by piece when there's time and sufficient resources. Meanwhile, they can continue doing whatever they do with their homepages anyway. And we can link to these pages from wgo if we *really* need (but with the exception of some showcase projects we don't need that anyway.) Referencing what Apple does is useless. Just because Apple offers these pages, who says their pages are used by any relevant amount of visitors? What we really should look at for reference is download.com -- when one count the number of applications in the sub-categories, one gets over 14.000 desktop applications! 14.000! And (nearly) all of them are easy to install. Even gnomefiles.org is miles away from download.com and this is our major marketing problem. To summerize: People interested in a software map will probably use gnomefiles and/or kde-apps because these provide better overview. Those who are not interested (yet) in getting information about more apps are unlikely to visit wgo for getting detailed information that GNOME includes Evolution or other -- from their point of view: strange -- stuff. They are satiesfied when we tell them that GNOME offers a default E-Mail client. The tour would be absolutely sufficient for them but the tour is still in CVS, only. This is what we should be concerned about. Just my 2cents. Cheers, Claus [1] http://www.marketingpower.com/mg-dictionary-view1762.php -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
--- Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we need to get beyond the idea of "software > map" or "projects" and > start thinking about how we can best serve the needs > of our users - and our > software maintainers! Some things that we should > think about can not even be > boiled down to cvs or bugzilla module name (and note > that both of those can > be terribly inconsistent with what users know the > software as), bigger stuff > like the desktop experience... The current project pages are a sort of orthogonal slice through gnome -- you have a front page aimed at everybody, some screenshots, a download/how to get page (which is sort of aimed at users, except most users got all of our software installed by their distro, no?), and then pages aimed at new and existing developers. Along similar lines to what Jeff says, I think we have to rip this apart. On www.gnome.org we want to provide an overview of the software we offer. On developer.gnome.org (or whatever it becomes after it rises from the ashes) we want pages aimed at developers. ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
> Looks like a good start! Here are my thoughts: Hey - this all gets into technical details very quickly, without much in the way of problem definition before the fact. I've mentioned this before about the proposed shift to projects.gnome.org, and wished I'd had time to write something concrete about it already. (Yay for finally being home and out of previous employment commitments! Maybe I can write something more thorough soon.) I think the big question that has to be answered here is: What kind of web presence do we need to provide for GNOME based applications, and other GNOME software suites? (The distinction here is essentially app vs. desktop vs. platform.) There's a few good places to look for inspiration. First up, look at all the Novell-sponsored application sites (f-spot, beagle, banshee). They're pretty simple and straight-forward, wiki-based, include information about how to get involved in development, how to file bugs, how to get the software, news about what's going on, etc. Secondly, as someone mentioned on this list only a week or so ago, look at all the Apple product sites (also that you can get info about almost any product using www.apple.com/). I think we need to get beyond the idea of "software map" or "projects" and start thinking about how we can best serve the needs of our users - and our software maintainers! Some things that we should think about can not even be boiled down to cvs or bugzilla module name (and note that both of those can be terribly inconsistent with what users know the software as), bigger stuff like the desktop experience... Off the top of my head, I think it is really important to have things like: www.gnome.org/desktop -> the GNOME desktop experience (the basic parts of the GNOME desktop experience such as nautilus, themes, how things work) www.gnome.org/platform -> the GNOME developer experience (tools and docs) www.gnome.org/embedded -> GNOME as an embedded platform (special case) www.gnome.org/evolution -> redirect to evolution site? Now, what do we do in the case of projects that don't have their own site? What are the user goals, the maintainer goals, and the project goals that would go into designing these pages? Can we design a common user experience or set some kind of standards? Is that desireable anyway? Is our approach going to be different for different kinds of applications? (For example, I don't think we'd approach Rhythmbox the same way we'd approach GDM, EoG or gtk-doc - to use examples from the current project page.) We've been running with a pretty outdated idea of what these things need to be for a long time... Let's dump the old school concepts of "software map" and "projects page" and attack the problem with a fresh point of view. I hope these questions are helpful in that regard. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ GDK (acronym): GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool-Kit Drawing-Kit. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: WGO : GNOME Software Map
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 13:06 +0200, Simon Rozet wrote: > I am in charge off the GNOME Software Map. I wrote a draft [1] on the > wiki but I need your opinion about what I wrote to start. > [1]: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap Hi, Looks like a good start! Here are my thoughts: Organization I suggest to place application pages under the URL http://www.gnome.org/apps/$appname/ -- note, that it's a folder for each app. I see no reason to put categories in the URL. BTW I don't like the current /projects/ name. The $appname should be canonical (e.g. from svn name or package name), so it is easy to guess. Also, under /apps/ we can (and IMHO should) have as many categorizations as we want. For example /apps/list can be an alphabetical (or sorted anyhow) list of apps, /apps/menu could be arranged as in the panel now, etc. /apps/ can be the entry page with some intro, access to the categorizations, and perhaps a search interface. Also, links to other sw maps can appear there. This page could even feature some app or another when there is some cool feature added, or something. For big compound apps (like gnome-games) we could set up redirects, e.g. from /apps/mahjongg to /apps/gnome-games/mahjongg? Any thoughts on that? Perhaps redirects like /apps/filemanager/ to nautilus? What's the policy on hiding appnames? For Average Joe it's not trivial to find out that the file manager is nautilus or the movie player is totem... While I agree with MurrayC the current list is not yet complete, it's a good starting point, and we can make it more complete as we go along. Content of the app pages Basically, what you wrote looks right: app name, some description, link to real homepage, sshots, bug reporting. In addition to that, we could add latest stable version, a list of features, info about maintainers, link to downloads (per distro?) / cvs, link to mailing list if any. Most of this could be generated from doap files, although I think some human intervention will be necessary e.g. for placing screenshots or writing a bit more info than what is in the doap file. Also, how about a related apps info on the app page? E.g. eog could link to f-spot and abiword to gnumeric (or OO writer?), etc. Greg -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
WGO : GNOME Software Map
Hello, I am in charge off the GNOME Software Map. I wrote a draft [1] on the wiki but I need your opinion about what I wrote to start. So... please have a look at it and let me know your ideas/opinions. Thanks in advance. [1]: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/SoftwareMap -- Simon Rozet -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 17:44 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in > > Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? > > Amsterdam just sounds cool, but isn't it in Brussels? :^) > > My initial feeling is "no" - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't > > particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented. > > In the past, I would have agreed, but having just returned from OSCON in the > USA, and seen the massive shift in OS X vs. Ubuntu there, I think it would > have made a lot of sense to have a GNOME presence. EuroOSCON is different > again in that it has a much more European slant - there are a lot more Linux > users in the crowd than at OSCON in the USA. I think it would be worthwhile > showing off what we're doing at EuroOSCON. I have time and could take care of the Organisation. I checked on live.gnome.org for the Eventbox and it is available during the event. Is there a LUG in Brussels to get more people to man the stand? What are the further proceedings? Shall I contact O'Reilly on behalf of GNOME? Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]
> EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in > Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? > > My initial feeling is "no" - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't > particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented. In the past, I would have agreed, but having just returned from OSCON in the USA, and seen the massive shift in OS X vs. Ubuntu there, I think it would have made a lot of sense to have a GNOME presence. EuroOSCON is different again in that it has a much more European slant - there are a lot more Linux users in the crowd than at OSCON in the USA. I think it would be worthwhile showing off what we're doing at EuroOSCON. > But if someone is willing to take on responsibility for organising a > stand, then rock on. I have a speaking slot at the event (about Ubuntu community building), and it's likely that Canonical will support my travel and accomodation. I'd be happy to help anyone doing GNOME pimping at EuroOSCON. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "Instead you're doing circle jerks with the Care Bears of Censorship." - Siduri on Slashdot -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
[Fwd: [Foundations] EuroOSCON .org day]
Hi, EurOSCon is reserving place for free software projects to present in Amsterdam this year - is there any interest in a GNOME stand there? My initial feeling is "no" - from what I've seen, the OSCons aren't particularly desktop oriented, or necessarily free *nix oriented. But if someone is willing to take on responsibility for organising a stand, then rock on. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Begin Message --- EuroOSCON is reserving a day for open source non-profits to exhibit. If you're interested, please contact Andrew Calvo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Feel free to pass this along to other open source foundations. We have a limited number of spaces, and will allocate them as groups apply until we run out. Allison Original Message Subject: Re: EuroOSCON .org day Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:03 -0700 From: Andrew Calvo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We are offering open source projects and relevant Dot Org's a complimentary demo station at EuroOSCON on Sept 20 from 10:00-17:00. We will provide a table, electricity, wireless and two easels for signage, and one sessions pass. ___ foundations mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/foundations --- End Message --- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
