wgo revamp update
We are in the mid of a first real iteration. Documents approved: - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WgoScope - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPolicies - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/Goals - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline Scope and policies can be considered stable documents until the next iteration, right after 2.16.1 (4/oct). Goals and Development Timeline can't incorporate new challenges, just drop/delay what we can't achieve. Documents under final revision: - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/UseCases - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeSubsites - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LayoutPlanning (components) They might need a deeper revision than the 2.16 can provide but, well, we have a next iteration in october, before any real implementation starts. At least we will have 1.0 versions that will be useful for any dependent task. Documents in progress: - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure - http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LayoutPlanning (pages structure) Missing: We might be missing deadlines with the GNOME Products and the News Gateway planning. However, they are independent branches that don't affect the rest of the wgo planning. If we need to postpone them, we can do it without much harm. Next: The navigation and the homepage structure are the only other tasks that need to be completed before the 2.16 milestone. During the 2.16.1 month we will concentrate on Look Feel (and we have now a designer!), i18n requirements (I hope Christian Rose will be available by then) and CMS selection (lead by the recovered Gergerly). And GNOME Products + News Gateway if they catch up. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo revamp update
Forgot to mention, an updated schedule is available at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/DevelopmentTimeline The new version shows the progress in tasks and the name of the new designer. :) -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
Hi all,
(adding gnome-journal-list on CC since there are some people with
unnatural abilities when it comes down to write/proofread english on
this list ;-)) (but I don't think we need to send replies there, so
please try to not spam them when replying!)
Le lundi 21 août 2006, à 15:39, Davyd Madeley a écrit :
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:27:20AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Ping again since the release is in nearly two weeks, and we want
translations...
I've really dropped the ball on this, because I'm over committed.
Someone else really needs to take the lead and let me just fill in
where I can.
Here's the new plan:
+ if you can help, send a mail here, and add your name with a small
list of what you can do at the end of [1]
+ deadlines:
- August 24: the features list at [1] is frozen, meaning that we can
start writing the notes
- August 26: skeleton of the release notes available
- August 30: the release notes text is frozen so translators can do
their job
- September 6: go live
+ (short) description of the various tasks:
- coordination: well, that's the job of the person who will slap the
others when they're late ;-)
- writing the release notes front page: this is the first page of the
release notes. It usually contains a screenshot of GNOME and some
explanations about GNOME. See [2] for an example.
- writing the start page: it should be quite easy, but we can improve
it. See [3] for an example.
- preparing the wgo front page: I'm not sure what's needed here since
I'm not up-to-date with the latest wgo development
- creating the skeleton of the release notes: people will triage the
new features to help write a skeleton of the notes.
- writing text: that's the hard work. two or three people would work on
transforming the skeleton in real text.
- proofreading: you know what this means :-)
- taking screenshots (or screencasts!): we'll need screen{shot,cast}s
for the new features. In the past, we've been modifying the
screenshots so they have drop shadows. It doesn't take that long.
- putting everything on wgo: if we're still with the same wgo system,
this implies adding all files to CVS and make this work.
I can help here if necessary.
- creating a live cd (or even better, live cds for various
languages): this is really something people like. I don't know how
hard this is, though.
- asking people to upload 2.16 screenshots to art.gnome.org: users
like to see screenshots.
+ if we want a press release, we also some people to work on this. Any
volunteer?
Most of the work could be done by a small team, but having more people
would really help make things better!
Quim told me he could do some work, and coordinate all this, but he's
fine with someone with more free time to step up :-)
Thanks,
Vincent
[1] http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointFifteen/ReleaseNotes
[2] http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/ [4]
[3] http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/
[4] the 2.12 and 2.14 release notes are broken. We have to fix this.
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Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
--- Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - writing the start page: it should be quite easy, but we can improve it. See [3] for an example. I've not included a start page in the plan for the new WGO structure ( http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure ) I can't see what it is meant to do. ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. The New Version is radically easier to use The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
--- Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - writing the release notes front page - writing the start page + if we want a press release Still no feedback about my proposal to have these three pages in a single one. Less work for probably a better result. I hadn't seen that, but I'm proposing pretty much the same. The start page seems to be a mix of the about page and the downloads page. These should be doing a good enough job to avoid being repeated. ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 11:41 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi all, - creating a live cd (or even better, live cds for various languages): this is really something people like. I don't know how hard this is, though. This is something I was intending to work on but not necessarily aiming to have it ready for the 2.16.0 release. My intent was to base it on edgey but I know that some people are uncomfortable to the modifications they make...maybe something GARNOME based. Feedback please ... Cheers, Rob -- Rob Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
SpreadGNOME.org
Hi, I just heard about it, and thought some here might be interested as well: http://www.spreadgnome.org/ The news story says the site was done by http://www.phoronixnetworks.com/ Hopefully, there was no important memo I missed: It was news for me. I scanned the planet and footnotes, but it seems there was no (English) announcement yet. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
El dc 23 de 08 del 2006 a les 11:31 +0100, en/na Joachim Noreiko va escriure: I hadn't seen that, but I'm proposing pretty much the same. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-August/msg00147.html + attach with the content proposed for the common 2.16 page http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-August/pdfVrHwbrpO6f.pdf -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the 2.16 release notes (and press release)
Vincent Untz escribió: Hi all, (adding gnome-journal-list on CC since there are some people with unnatural abilities when it comes down to write/proofread english on this list ;-)) (but I don't think we need to send replies there, so please try to not spam them when replying!) Le lundi 21 août 2006, à 15:39, Davyd Madeley a écrit : On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:27:20AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Ping again since the release is in nearly two weeks, and we want translations... I've really dropped the ball on this, because I'm over committed. Someone else really needs to take the lead and let me just fill in where I can. Here's the new plan: + if you can help, send a mail here, and add your name with a small list of what you can do at the end of [1] + deadlines: - August 24: the features list at [1] is frozen, meaning that we can start writing the notes - August 26: skeleton of the release notes available - August 30: the release notes text is frozen so translators can do their job - September 6: go live + (short) description of the various tasks: - coordination: well, that's the job of the person who will slap the others when they're late ;-) - writing the release notes front page: this is the first page of the release notes. It usually contains a screenshot of GNOME and some explanations about GNOME. See [2] for an example. i'll be glad to help on the translation to spanish for release pages, and press release -- Fernando San Martín Woerner Jefe de Informática Galilea S.A. http://www.galilea.cl/ -- Este mensaje ha sido analizado por nuestros servidores en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, y se considera que está limpio. begin:vcard fn;quoted-printable:Fernando San Mart=C3=ADn Woerner n;quoted-printable:San Mart=C3=ADn Woerner;Fernando email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:56-71-514400 tel;fax:56-71-514450 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Navigation bars (was Re: wgo layout planning)
We better define now if we have one or two navigation bars, since the decision affects not only LayoutPlanning but also NewWgoStructure and of course the navigation itself, and all the subsites. I propose to have a general GNOME nav linking subsites, not a mixture of subsites and wgo pages as we currently have. Something like this: GNOME | News | Projects | Art | Support | Development | Foundation Then we would have the primary nav bar of every subsite. In our case, there would be a wgo nav bar. El dt 22 de 08 del 2006 a les 22:23 +0200, en/na Quim Gil va escriure: One thing is to have a toptop nav bar across subsites linking subsites (i.e. wgo, news.go, support.go, devel.go...) and then a wgo primary nav bar linking wgo sections (discover, download, etc). Another thing is to have a mixed primary nav bar that combines both functions, as we currently have. I think it's more consistent to have two bars. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Ahoy, On Wednesday 23 August 2006 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that users might request. It would have been really nice if you'd opted for Drupal, which SpreadFirefox, SpreadOpenOffice.org and SpreadKDE are using. GNOME also *might* go for Drupal for their main web infrastructure. There would be a huge potential for collaboration if we all used Drupal. Obviously you're free to use whatever you want for this site, and nobody should ever adopt a particular technology just because it offers collaboration potential. But (and I'm sure GNOME people will chip in on this) it's really nice to talk with others in the same and related projects first :) Anyway, good luck with it all, I'll be interested to see where the project goes. Kind regards Tom Chance KDE Promotion team -- The task of critique is not to denounce the ideals, but to show their transformation into ideologies, and to challenge the ideology in the name of the betrayed ideal (Fromm – Beyond The Chains Of Illusion) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
2.16 logo and banner
An element that escaped from Vincent's plan for the 2.16 release notes was the banner to be featured at least in the wgo homepages. Luckily Andreas not just thought about it but also brought PingunZ (forgot to ask the name), who has a first alpha: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6264/gnomesplashpx5.png We had a brief discussion in #marketing. Basically I said that it looked like almost nothing had really changed since 2.14, what could be true but I'm not sure if this is what we want to communicate. He asked for constructive feedback, but I didn't know what to say since we haven't discussed 2.16 novelties, concepts to promote and so on. However, after some thoughts... I suggest to have a banner with: - A slogan saying something like GNOME 2.16 - The Smooth Desktop. - Populated with a unsorted carrusel of wonderful icons, meaningful to people that hasn't seen them before. - We could add icons of the new modules added to 2.16 (Orca, Tomboy, etc). Even if the outsiders won't recognize, they will contribute to the aesthetic coolness of the banner. - Playing with icons of different sizes, including some extra-large details of icons escaping from the banner framework. - A visual and colorful universe that looks integrated thanks to the observation of the http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines in the banner itself. Rationale: If the target of this banner are ___new___ GNOME hobbyists, ISDs and public deployments (the current users will upgrade to 2.16 at some point anyway, and they depend more on their distro than on gnome.org), then I find the 2.14 banner and the 2.16 alpha like void, almost meaningless for a non-GNOME user. It doesn't show anything, and the banner has a surface big enough to show things. So, I think we could play with the concept of Smoothly Integrated Coolness. GNOME 2.16 is a bunch of cool pieces that integrate much better now, resulting in a smoother experience where coolness is multiplied. How to show this? Certainly not with a foot, 2 words and a hug single color background. This would be a good description for unity, but we are more than one. Perhaps a remarkable aspect of the 2.15 release cycle has been the icon-tango activity. It's not something we can verbalize easily in the release notes, but this is something we can show nicely in a big banner, and it will make GNOME look cool, attractive and at the same time professional to non GNOME users, while being equally cool and interesting to the GNOME users. In fact, we could produce an additional version with standard banner sizes, and I'm sure some enthusiasts will put in their sites as well. Have you ever seen new tango-friendly icons in big (huge) sizes? I did once, and I was impressed. Andreas was working on an icon in the GUADEC's Vestíbul UPC, I just was passing by and I saw the screen of his laptop with that huge, wonderful detail of an icon he was retouching. Tango icons at 800% are just so nice. :) This is why I suggest the banner described above. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Hi! I like the idea of promoting speakers -- provided you find people willing to get promoted. ;-) However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more people as editors. However, with two sites, we will just split our resources again. Funny enought, there are two things that I've always wanted for a spreadGNOME site: * An events calender similar to the one used by http://www.php.net/ * The ability to generate different banners on the fly and record the success of the different designs and slogans. Until today, I never had the idea to ask whether footnotes is able to do that -- shame on me. Why shouldn't footnotes be able to promote speakers as well? So, my basic questions is: Is it useful to have two sites with nearly similar capabilities and goals ? Cheers, Claus P.S.: I'm not sure whether you're on this list already, thus the cc. On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:22:05 -0500 (CDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time GNOME user). SpreadGNOME.org is basically meant to be a community-driven ad-free independent project for promoting GNOME to both existing Linux users and potential converts. At this point the site has a mini calendar, news feeds, commenting system, etc... It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that users might request. It's been a project in our minds since May/June of this year, and working in the available spare time, it's finally ready to launch on the same date as the GNOME 2.16 RC release. As is apparent from the site, at this point it basically lacks content (graphics, marketing tags, and other text) but now that this community site is live users will hopefully begin to contribute. Anyone is also free to voice their opinion on what direction they would like to see the site headed, etc... One of the hopes David Nielsen had for SpreadGNOME was: My main idea with spreadGNOME would be a centralized place where people who liked GNOME or wanted to know more about GNOME could get together, primarily the idea was to connect speakers with communities that wanted to learn about GNU/Linux and GNOME as well as provide helpful material to upcoming speakers to help them present GNOME to it's fullest. I think there's a fundamental lack of this kind of information out there and if we have a horde of people around the world willing to do some advocacy and knock on a few doors to get speaking slots at first - then we could really serve the cause., which would be a terrific item to address once more material is available. Others in the GNOME community have voiced their opinion as well. Regards, Michael Larabel -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
SpreadGNOME.org would be glad to work with FootNotes or anyone else in the community to merge resources to accomplish more for GNOME. SpreadGNOME.org really isn't intended to be simply a news source -- for the content that is on there currently, it's primarily just notices of the major stable/development releases, and not news of when a package apart of the GNOME project is updated or anything of that nature. The primary focus is with promoting GNOME through marketing, etc... as basically an organizational resource. So I believe the intentions of both sites are slightly different, but I would be open to working with anybody to help spread GNOME. And yes, I have been on the GNOME marketing list for a while. ~ Michael Hi! I like the idea of promoting speakers -- provided you find people willing to get promoted. ;-) However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more people as editors. However, with two sites, we will just split our resources again. Funny enought, there are two things that I've always wanted for a spreadGNOME site: * An events calender similar to the one used by http://www.php.net/ * The ability to generate different banners on the fly and record the success of the different designs and slogans. Until today, I never had the idea to ask whether footnotes is able to do that -- shame on me. Why shouldn't footnotes be able to promote speakers as well? So, my basic questions is: Is it useful to have two sites with nearly similar capabilities and goals ? Cheers, Claus P.S.: I'm not sure whether you're on this list already, thus the cc. On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:22:05 -0500 (CDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time GNOME user). SpreadGNOME.org is basically meant to be a community-driven ad-free independent project for promoting GNOME to both existing Linux users and potential converts. At this point the site has a mini calendar, news feeds, commenting system, etc... It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that users might request. It's been a project in our minds since May/June of this year, and working in the available spare time, it's finally ready to launch on the same date as the GNOME 2.16 RC release. As is apparent from the site, at this point it basically lacks content (graphics, marketing tags, and other text) but now that this community site is live users will hopefully begin to contribute. Anyone is also free to voice their opinion on what direction they would like to see the site headed, etc... One of the hopes David Nielsen had for SpreadGNOME was: My main idea with spreadGNOME would be a centralized place where people who liked GNOME or wanted to know more about GNOME could get together, primarily the idea was to connect speakers with communities that wanted to learn about GNU/Linux and GNOME as well as provide helpful material to upcoming speakers to help them present GNOME to it's fullest. I think there's a fundamental lack of this kind of information out there and if we have a horde of people around the world willing to do some advocacy and knock on a few doors to get speaking slots at first - then we could really serve the cause., which would be a terrific item to address once more material is available. Others in the GNOME community have voiced their opinion as well. Regards, Michael Larabel -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
