Re: User oriented release notes
--- Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Integrate marketing and business visions with the technical vision that is guiding the 2.18 release. Since day zero. snip Someone needs to think what these bodies need and how the next release is going to help them, be useful to them. I think you're absolutely right. But there is this perception that developers on Free projects work only on what they want to work on and only on what's fun, and that therefore, for example, you can't demand that bug X be fixed... I know this is the sort of rhetoric you see on slashdot, and therefore a little bit exaggerated. But I do get a general feeling that developers resent any outside intervention, whether that's by marketing, documentation, or usability people. This is bad for GNOME. Bugs don't get fixed, features are developed in isolation without reference to the rest of the dektop interface, and the big decisions get deferred indefinitely. - Planning and production of the release notes following the release cycle. We start deciding who are our audiences, what we want to give them, how we present the information to them. We don't need to wait a feature freeze to go ahead with this. The same way that I want to be able to start writing documention for new features before freeze... ;) ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Journalists contacted
Hi Sri, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Unfortunately I don't. I do have the business card of one of the British linux magazines (Linux Format I think). I have tried Wired before using their web form when I was doing GUADEC press releases. But I did not get any response from them. I can try again next cycle or perhaps try to set up a relationship. I also know someone over there - I'll try to drop a line to Nick Veitch (their editor) today while dodging raindrops. Can you try Wired this cycle, if you have a second, please? Web forms suck, but can be useful - especially if you ask someone to get back to you. Just give the event, and ask for someone to mail you back. On the international part, I hope our members in India have contacts in the The Hindu or The Times of India. I know my family members are voracious newspaper readers and I've seen enough to make a generalization that most Indians do. It'll generate some excellent press for us if it's in the context of human interest. Yes! Please, more international press contacts. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: User oriented release notes
El dg 10 de 09 del 2006 a les 07:56 +0100, en/na Joachim Noreiko va escriure: But there is this perception that developers on Free projects work only on what they want to work on and only on what's fun Like Claus says, Yeah, nice story. ;-) :) The GNOME release cycle has rules, developers are free to join the release but if they do, they follow the commonly agreed rules. This is not entirely true either for many developers hired by GNOME stakeholders i.e. advisory board companies. Note that these companies have technical, marketing and business visions integrated, their good developers know and integrate these visions in their work. , and that therefore, for example, you can't demand that bug X be fixed... I'm not saying this either. Demand a bug to be fixed is a technical decision and falls into the technical process, no marketing and business people can come and decide that (unless they solve the bug with their own hands). Very different than agree from the technical, marketing and business perspectives that Feature X is a priority for the next GNOME release and therefore all the related bugs have a priority, inviting the contributors to concentrate efforts there. developers resent any outside intervention, whether that's by marketing, documentation, or usability people. In GNOME we have a goal: to create a computing platform for use by the general public that is completely free software. Anybody working for that goal can't be perceived as outside intervention. You mean the developers that also resent about user feedback at all? :) I have the impression that thanks to many good GNOME developers, this resentment is clearly tagged as uncool and unprofessional. Not good enough for a official GNOME release. and the big decisions get deferred indefinitely. It is much easier to agree on big decisions when there is a common vision and roadmap. The problem is that having a common vision and a roadmap is in itself a big decision. :) Small decisions + iterations are a good approach to big decisions. We can have small decisions to integrate marketing and business visions in the technical vision of GNOME 2.18. Then we improve in the next release. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Epiphany Homepage
On 10.09.2006 00:32, Quim Gil wrote: Mmm probably the Epiphany developers will have an opinion about this. Why don't you submit a request for enhancement? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=epiphany Good point. I've filed a bug/feature request: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355251 I use Google with Epiphany all the time, but I never need the Google homepage to do that, since the Google search is integrated in the URI entry field. Having the google.com as default page is like a redundancy. Right. ... In any case, the Marketing Team is not going to decide anything without the Epiphany developers, hence the recommendation to submit a bug/RFE. Absolutely. Let's see what the developers say. Max -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: User oriented release notes
Hi, Quim! You didn't mention the obvious differences of GNOME and Apple: * GNOME does not sell an operating system. * GNOME does not sell computers. * GNOME has no stores to sell stuff. Apple formulates for ordinary users because it has products for ordinary users. We don't. The next thing you didn't mention is: * GNOME has no feature-based release schedule. I think Apple's 'release notes' can look that simple because they have a feature-based schedule. We need to ship half-implemented stuff every second release. Unless you manage to change the release schedule, it will remain that way. Concerning your vision stuff: This looks like bullshit to me. Maybe I've seen to many clueless marketing people speak like that, and my impression is wrong. However, it looks like bullshit. Sorry. :-( But I share your point that it would be nice to have more developers report about their improvements earlier. Maybe we should sent a mail to ddl for every Beta release, reminding them to fill out the wiki page? Together with a contact address for questions, that would probably help tremendously. Cheers, Claus [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/articles/why_care/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: User oriented release notes
--- Claus Schwarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Concerning your vision stuff: This looks like bullshit to me. Maybe I've seen to many clueless marketing people speak like that, and my impression is wrong. However, it looks like bullshit. Sorry. :-( I think that 'vision' is one of those buzzwords that brings out the fear of marketing bullshit in many of us. ;) But Quim's general point is sound: that instead of each stable release being 'well this is the stuff we managed to get done the last 6 months', we should think about trying to plan what each release should aim for and be focussed on at the start of the cycle. Despite my reservations that it may be hard to bring about this sort of change, I agree with it :) ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: User oriented release notes
On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 12:40 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: Our release notes should not be a workaround for our ugly 'About' section. This is a bad and useless habit of the GNOME release notes. I can't see why it's a bad habit, I'd love if you could explain. Thanks, -- Enver signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
