Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
Ok, let's plan by now a page in the tour about Innovation/FuturePlans. Producing the alpha version we will see if there is something good to explain there or if we should drop it. Are there other pages missing? If so let's discuss them now so we can sign off a basic structure. BTW, you talked about technology but you didn't say clearly if you thought the tour pages should be a single, highly visual shot or normal web pages with more content and scroll. Once we define the concept we will find the technology to apply it best. On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 22:50 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > Welcome to innovation as it actually happens. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 15:09 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > A lot of the individual ideas in Topaz are good and > should trickled into 2.x. > But there's no sense of a solid plan for a new > desktop. Just a big tip of ideas, some of which are > good, some of which aren't. Welcome to innovation as it actually happens. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 15:09 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > A lot of the individual ideas in Topaz are good and > should trickled into 2.x. > But there's no sense of a solid plan for a new > desktop. Just a big tip of ideas, some of which are > good, some of which aren't. > I don't feel able to promote that without, erm, lying. Well, it depends on how you see that being interpreted. There's "here's what we're thinking about for the future, so you can expect GNOME to look like this in a year or two" - that would certainly be wrong, because you're giving people incorrect expections. But, "here's some current ideas about how we can innovate on the desktop: these are the types of improvements we're actively investigating to improve GNOME" is a totally different story. It's not a promise of "this is how it will look", but it's also not a development roadmap. It's a visionary statement about the ideals of the project. If people better understand the ethos of the project, they're also more likely to understand the design decisions already taken, and the feature set available. I think that could be very informative. Cheers, Alex. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
--- Alex Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 14:36 +, Joachim Noreiko > wrote: > > No. > > 10x10 is a pipedream and Topaz is nothing more > than a > > big dump of crazy ideas on the wiki. > > That's a bit harsh. > > There's a fine line between "vision" and > "vapourware", though. I'm in a harsh mood. If we're going to promote something, we have to feel it's worth promoting. A lot of the individual ideas in Topaz are good and should trickled into 2.x. But there's no sense of a solid plan for a new desktop. Just a big tip of ideas, some of which are good, some of which aren't. I don't feel able to promote that without, erm, lying. > > Somewhere there's a mostly CSS-based presentation > > thingy. Does anyone else remember what I mean? > > S5, but it also needs Javascript. > > For most people it'd probably be fine, and you > probably could hack it to > fall back to non-Javascript for a specific > presentation. Never mind then. It was just a thought. ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
--- Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 14:36 +, Joachim Noreiko > wrote: > > --- Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What about inserting here a page about > Innovation & > > > Roadmap... GNOME > > > shaping its future. > > > > That would be good. If that was something GNOME > did. > > Well it's not just what GNOME does (*), but also > what GNOME can handle. > For instance, do you want to have all those 3D, > transparent, rainy, > whatever effects in your desktop? Enjoy them with > GNOME. > > If the argument is still unconvincing, can we find > other areas of > attractive innovation? > > Or is GNOME not having innovation at all? There's innovation, but no roadmap. Flashy new features get put into gnome, but often without considering the integration into the overall desktop, and without the follow-up work. There's an essay I read on the web a while ago about how most software projects never get past 0.9 (possibly by Havoc in fact, but I don't remember and I can't find it). We're doing this too often. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 14:36 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > No. > 10x10 is a pipedream and Topaz is nothing more than a > big dump of crazy ideas on the wiki. That's a bit harsh. There's a fine line between "vision" and "vapourware", though. > Somewhere there's a mostly CSS-based presentation > thingy. Does anyone else remember what I mean? S5, but it also needs Javascript. For most people it'd probably be fine, and you probably could hack it to fall back to non-Javascript for a specific presentation. Cheers, Alex. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 14:36 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: > --- Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about inserting here a page about Innovation & > > Roadmap... GNOME > > shaping its future. > > That would be good. If that was something GNOME did. Well it's not just what GNOME does (*), but also what GNOME can handle. For instance, do you want to have all those 3D, transparent, rainy, whatever effects in your desktop? Enjoy them with GNOME. If the argument is still unconvincing, can we find other areas of attractive innovation? Or is GNOME not having innovation at all? (*) we can also consider at which extent GNOME does or doesn't. Are the 3D desktop works done at RedHat, Novell, Beryl, freedesktop etc completely separate of GNOME? In any case the tour is about showcasing and I thing it's useful to showcase the innovative stuff GNOME can handle and offer to users. PS: Beryl *is* gnome, see http://www.beryl-the-gnome.co.uk/ :P -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
--- Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about inserting here a page about Innovation & > Roadmap... GNOME > shaping its future. That would be good. If that was something GNOME did. > What else? Perhaps mentioning the 10X10 and Topaz > would make sense here > as well. No. 10x10 is a pipedream and Topaz is nothing more than a big dump of crazy ideas on the wiki. > Good! Now we should define how a page of the tour > looks like. Are we > talking about highly graphic slides with no scroll > like a presentation > or a Flash thing, or should we go for more > explanatory pages with scroll Somewhere there's a mostly CSS-based presentation thingy. Does anyone else remember what I mean? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo Tour: which pages?
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 09:55 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: > On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 00:19 +0100, Quim Gil wrote: > > 1. Simply Powerful Desktop - easy to use, manage and make it yours > > 2. Essential Tools - the official set + the big gtk collection > > 3. GNOME software also on Windows & Mac > > 4. Multilingual & international - the software and the support > > 5. Usable, Accessible, Standards, Quality > > 6. Shipped by... distros, olpc, 770 & embedded > > 7. Deployments out there > > 8. Development platform What about inserting here a page about Innovation & Roadmap... GNOME shaping its future. Would it make sense to introduce here planned/unstable developments even if they are not official and perhaps not even strictly GNOME (but GNOME-compatible?). I'm thinking specially in the 3D desktop stuff (impressive eye-candy showcasing the power of the free desktop). There is also the battle against the clock (optimizing miliseconds) and energy consumption (more battery life). What else? Perhaps mentioning the 10X10 and Topaz would make sense here as well. > > 9. Community, Foundation, companies, events > > 10. Free! and open to you > Also, it's completely unfinished and has been waiting for a long time > for someone to pick it up. It is a good reference to start with and could inspire an ulterior walk through the GNOME desktop in a descriptive way: panels, applications, preferences, administration... A potential >2.18 goal. > Your list sounds like a great structure - > this should indeed be more about promotion than simple user > documentation. Good! Now we should define how a page of the tour looks like. Are we talking about highly graphic slides with no scroll like a presentation or a Flash thing, or should we go for more explanatory pages with scroll (if needed) where text paragraphs are combined with screenshots and other types of illustrations? > > The GNOME stars need to be in this tour - who are they? > > > > It's also an opportunity to bring out the best slogans we have created - > > which are they? I'll come back with these questions again once we have an ugly alpha. :) > > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WgoTakeTheTour -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
