Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

"Access your freedom! Use GNOME!"


On 9/18/09 8:12 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Get Freedom with GNOME?
> 
> Stormy
> 
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Pockey Lam  wrote:
>> Dear Stormy,
>> 
>> I vote for Freedom with GNOME too,
>> 
>> but a minor suggestion, can we add a "call for action" in the slogan?
>> like
>> 
>> Step into Freedom with GNOME?
>> 
>> step into maybe a bit long, but any "1"  word means the same? :)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pockey
>> 
>> On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 10:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>> I vote for Freedom with GNOME.
>>> 
>>> My second choice would be something with a subtitle. Discover GNOME:
>>> Your Free Desktop. I'm not sure I'd use the word accessible in the
>>> title. At least in English it's not an easy word to say.
>>> 
>>> And obviously I'd like to defer to people that know the local language
>>> and culture ...
>>> 
>>> Stormy
>>> 
>>> P.S. Brian, I think we could add the word software to your title, and
>>> don't forget usability! "Discover Accessing Freedom With Easy-to-Use
>>> GNOME - Your Free Software Desktop"
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Brian Cameron 
>>> wrote:
 
 Emily:
 
 How about "Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop"
 
 Just joking.
 
 Brian
 
 
> 1. Discover GNOME 3.0
> 2. Discover GNOME
> 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
> 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
> 5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
> 6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
> 7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
> 8. Access your desktop with GNOME
> 9. GNOME your desktop
> 10.Freedom with GNOME
>     more ...
> 
> Thanks,
> Emily
> 
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Lefty (石鏡 )]

On 9/18/09 3:40 PM, "Andre Klapper"  wrote:

> Am Freitag, den 18.09.2009, 17:07 -0500 schrieb Brian Cameron:
>> The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
>> "GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
>> to free software and licenses as "open source".
> 
>> Thoughts?
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy
> 
> My very personal opinion: There's a reality out there, and there's the
> fundamentalists of the FSF. I prefer reality.

I'm not in favor of complicating terminology, especially when it makes life
more involved and in need of explanation. I don't want to be talking to a
reporter and find myself being asked: "I've heard of _Linux_... What's
_GNU/Linux_?"

I don't feel obligated to support this FSF's reasoning (with which I happen
to disagree) in this matter. Let's not (again) make the sort of mistake of
"marketing to ourselves" that I talked about at GCDS: this brouhaha over
names, which is really about who's getting credit, means less than nothing
to the world at large, the folks to whom we _should_ be marketing.

If the FSF can somehow persuade people at large to start calling it
"GNU/Linux" after having failed to do so for going on two decades, fine, but
I don't see that we need to stake that position out for our own. Similarly,
I'd be very unhappy if we were to make the term "open source" unwelcome.

I'm more than happy to keep good relations with the FSF, all other things
being equal, but if becoming a subscriber to terminology wars--something
which, again, means nothing to our "target audience"--then I wonder whether
"all other things are equal"...


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Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Stormy Peters]

Get Freedom with GNOME?

Stormy

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Pockey Lam  wrote:
> Dear Stormy,
>
> I vote for Freedom with GNOME too,
>
> but a minor suggestion, can we add a "call for action" in the slogan?
> like
>
> Step into Freedom with GNOME?
>
> step into maybe a bit long, but any "1"  word means the same? :)
>
> Thanks,
> Pockey
>
> On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 10:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote:
>> I vote for Freedom with GNOME.
>>
>> My second choice would be something with a subtitle. Discover GNOME:
>> Your Free Desktop. I'm not sure I'd use the word accessible in the
>> title. At least in English it's not an easy word to say.
>>
>> And obviously I'd like to defer to people that know the local language
>> and culture ...
>>
>> Stormy
>>
>> P.S. Brian, I think we could add the word software to your title, and
>> don't forget usability! "Discover Accessing Freedom With Easy-to-Use
>> GNOME - Your Free Software Desktop"
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Brian Cameron  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Emily:
>> >
>> > How about "Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop"
>> >
>> > Just joking.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> >
>> >> 1. Discover GNOME 3.0
>> >> 2. Discover GNOME
>> >> 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
>> >> 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
>> >> 5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
>> >> 6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
>> >> 7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
>> >> 8. Access your desktop with GNOME
>> >> 9. GNOME your desktop
>> >> 10.Freedom with GNOME
>> >>     more ...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Emily
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Brian Cameron]

Paul:

My point is that we are being asked (or recommended) that we following 
their naming guidelines.  My point is how does the FSF respect GNOME - I 
am wiling to bet $100 a normal user couldn't find the 
http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome/ link - you have to go their 
searchable database from a very small "Resources" link in the middle 
bottom of their page and manually put in GNOME.  Our desktop environment 
is arguably the 3rd most popular in the world after Windows and Mac OS X 
(thanks Ubuntu!) yet that's not mentioned anywhere on websites run by 
the FSF.  Unfortunately, irony in my original email doesn't communicate 
well.


A fair point.  If this is a concern, though, have we made any efforts to
ask (or recommend) that the FSF do something to address this?  I would
be happy to bring this up with the FSF if we are interested in seeing
what can be done to make GNOME more visible on their website.

I understand our history, and am even presenting on it next week.  Let 
me re-phrase the question:  What exactly is a "GNU Project"?  What 
implications does that tie GNOME to the FSF, 


I am not sure I am the best person to answer that question, really.
Having said that, I would say that the FSF defines GNU licensing, which
is the licensing we primarily use in our software.  So, as you probably
know, there is some connection.

who, in my opinion, despite 
everything they have done over the last 25 years, are earning themselves 
a negative reputation with poorly conceived campaigns like Windows 7 
Sins?  As someone mentioned to me earlier today, we can have free 
licensing and free software without having to be a part of the FSF.


Of course, we have the freedom to disagree with the FSF and to choose to 
not follow certain recommendations, or to not support FSF projects

that we feel are damaging.  I was never trying to suggest otherwise.

In bringing up this topic, I am not trying to suggest that we do not
already do a lot to promote those values we share with the FSF.  For
example, we are responsible for distributing a tremendously successful
GNU licensed desktop which, as you highlight, is very successful - the
3rd most popular in the world.  This, in and of itself, is probably the 
most significant thing that we already do to promote those values.

We also do things like promote Software Freedom Day, do things like the
Women's Outreach Program, and many other things.  Perhaps what we do
already is enough, and we need do no more.

While I am jealous of their ability to market campaigns and the funding 
they have available, especially being a member of the GNOME marketing 
team, my recommendation would be to distance ourselves from the FSF 
rather than get closer.


I do not think this is a black and white issue.  While there may be
certain aspects of the FSF that we may choose to distance ourselves
from, there are also many shared values that do connect us.

I wish I could remember the blog post, article, or talk that was given 
that pointed out that GNOME may have been an acronym 10 years ago when 
founded, but it's not applicable today.  John Palmieri in his talk at 
GUADEC and recent GNOME Journal article argues the same thing that the 
"N" for "Network" doesn't apply either  I am more than aware of what the 
acronym is, thank you very much.


I apologize, I did not mean for my jibe to be taken badly, much the same
way you did not mean for your irony to go unnoticed.  I think you are
doing a great job with GNOME marketing, and the improvements since you
have been involved have been simply tremendous.

As I stated above, and I'll re-phrase, 
is there a perceived connotation of being part of the FSF by having the 
word "GNU" in GNOME?  


I would not say that GNOME is a part of the FSF - they are a separate
organization.  Though we do obviously have a relationship.

Without knowing what doors might be opened by tightening our 
relationship with the FSF, I believe that the risks do not outweigh the 
benefits of being associated with the FSF and I do not have a strong 
urge to use their naming conventions in GNOME materials.


Personally, I would prefer to focus on those values that we share and
work towards improving relationship in those areas, rather than focus
on those areas where we disagree.

I was just trying to ask a question about what terminology the marketing
team recommends.  I have not talked with the FSF about what
opportunities might exist if we were to work towards improving our
relationship with them.  Without having such a discussion with them, it
seems hard to know.  Though if we think we should distance ourselves
from them, then we may not be in a constructive place to have any such
discussion.

But, just to clarify, are you saying that you recommend that the GNOME
community not use the term "GNU/Linux" in all contexts or just in
marketing materials?  Are you suggesting that using the term "GNU/Linux"
is damaging like the examples you give of the "Windows 7 Sins" and
should b

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Paul Cutler]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Brian Cameron wrote:

>
> Paul:
>
>  * The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience.
>>  While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's
>> really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
>  * Most of our marketing is at end users - and for that reason, I prefer
>> "Linux" as that is the common word used by journalists both in the open
>> source press and the mainstream press.
>>
>
> I can understand that position.  As I suggested before, there may be
> certain audiences or situations where using different terminology makes
> more sense.
>
> For example, if we are doing a press release about something that we
> are doing with the Free Software Foundation, then perhaps it would
> probably be more appropriate to use the terminology they recommend, for
> example.
>
>  * I don't know if I agree that having a good relationship with the FSF is
>> that important.  The anecdotal feedback I have on their recent campaigns,
>> including Windows 7 Sins and Bad Vista is that it does more harm than good.
>>  While I have great respect for the work done in the past on multiple
>> fronts, including the GNU utilities, the GPL licenses and more, GNOME needs
>> to be relevant now and respectful of our current and potential future users.
>>
>
> Still, there is no real value in creating friction where it is not
> necessary.  So, even if there is value in using the term "Linux" in
> some communications, it seems good to clarify if and when there are
> any situations where following the FSF recommendations are recommended.
>
> While we may choose to not use the term "GNU/Linux", perhaps we could
> make an active effort to highlight GNU or the free software community in
> other ways?
>
>  * Brian, I was curious about an earlier statement you made:  "since we are
>> a GNU project " - are we?  What does that mean?   Looking at the gnu.org<
>> http://gnu.org> website and fsf.org  GNOME is not
>> mentioned once.  Searching on gnu.org , the first search
>> result that mentions GNOME is a 10 year old press release around GNOME 1.0.
>>  What is our formal relationship with the FSF and GNU?
>>
>
> The "G" in "GNOME" stands for "GNU".  So, the people who created GNOME
> felt it was important to be under the GNU Umbrella of projects and that
> our project would be a shining example of a free software project.  :)
>
>   http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome/
>   http://www.gnome.org/about/
>


My point is that we are being asked (or recommended) that we following their
naming guidelines.  My point is how does the FSF respect GNOME - I am wiling
to bet $100 a normal user couldn't find the
http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome/ link - you have to go their
searchable database from a very small "Resources" link in the middle bottom
of their page and manually put in GNOME.  Our desktop environment is
arguably the 3rd most popular in the world after Windows and Mac OS X
(thanks Ubuntu!) yet that's not mentioned anywhere on websites run by the
FSF.  Unfortunately, irony in my original email doesn't communicate well.



>
> Quoting from the last link:
>
> > GNOME is...
> > Free
> >
> > GNOME is Free Software and part of the GNU project, dedicated to
> > giving users and developers the ultimate level of control over their
> > desktops, their software, and their data. Find out more about the GNU
> > project and Free Software at gnu.org.
>
> In fact, I believe one of the reasons why GNOME replaced KDE as the most
> popular software desktop on free/open operating systems is because of
> its free licensing.  So, the current popularity that we enjoy is due, in
> part, to our relationship with the free software community and the FSF.
> So, perhaps we should honor that it some ways.


Yes, I remember the issues with Trolltech licenses 10 years ago.


>
>
>  Those are my long answers.  My short answer - I agree with Andre, and I
>> prefer reality.  I look forward to hearing the Advisory Board's
>> recommendation as well.
>>
>
> Yes, I think this is an issue that a lot of people have already made
> strong opinions about, which probably makes it hard to think things
> through very well.  So, I think we need to be a bit careful as we
> consider this topic to not jump to any quick conclusions.
>
> But, the fact that the lead of GNOME Marketing is not aware that GNOME
> is a GNU project is probably a symptom of a larger problem - that we
> do not do a very good job of promoting the free software aspects of our
> overall ethic.  And regardless of what terminology we use for "Linux" or
> "GNU/Linux", we probably should work to improve that.
>

I understand our history, and am even presenting on it next week.  Let me
re-phrase the question:  What exactly is a "GNU Project"?  What implications
does that tie GNOME to the FSF, who, in my opinion, despite everything they
have done over the last 25 years, are earning themsel

Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Brian Cameron]

Baris:


There was a big discussion about GNU/Linux terminology usage in
documentation years ago. Here is the starting thread about that
discussion:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html

I didn't re-read whole discussion but I remember there wasn't any
terminology enforcement done by GNOME Doc Team about this.

I've also checked some marketing materials. GNOME 2.26 Release notes
does not have any mention of term "Linux", and in Quarterly Report only
places where Linux is used are either "Trademarks" or valid usage of
Linux as an operating system. And at homepage of gnome.org we already
use GNU/Linux. 


In my honest opinion, as GNOME, our relationship with Linux is similar
to our relationship with BSD or Solaris kernels. If we won't call
GNU/Solaris, calling GNU/Linux everywhere wouldn't be a consistent
approach.


As you say, perhaps if there is not a real need to refer to "Linux" in
our writing, then we should more actively avoid using a controversial
term.  I often notice that when it is used, it is often used to mean
"any distribution which uses GNOME", which is, as you highlight, an
incorrect usage anyway.

Brian
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Brian Cameron]

Paul:

* The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience.  
While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's 
really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for.


Agreed.

* Most of our marketing is at end users - and for that reason, I prefer 
"Linux" as that is the common word used by journalists both in the open 
source press and the mainstream press.


I can understand that position.  As I suggested before, there may be
certain audiences or situations where using different terminology makes
more sense.

For example, if we are doing a press release about something that we
are doing with the Free Software Foundation, then perhaps it would
probably be more appropriate to use the terminology they recommend, for
example.

* I don't know if I agree that having a good relationship with the FSF 
is that important.  The anecdotal feedback I have on their recent 
campaigns, including Windows 7 Sins and Bad Vista is that it does more 
harm than good.  While I have great respect for the work done in the 
past on multiple fronts, including the GNU utilities, the GPL licenses 
and more, GNOME needs to be relevant now and respectful of our current 
and potential future users.


Still, there is no real value in creating friction where it is not
necessary.  So, even if there is value in using the term "Linux" in
some communications, it seems good to clarify if and when there are
any situations where following the FSF recommendations are recommended.

While we may choose to not use the term "GNU/Linux", perhaps we could
make an active effort to highlight GNU or the free software community in
other ways?

* Brian, I was curious about an earlier statement you made:  "since we 
are a GNU project " - are we?  What does that mean?   Looking at the 
gnu.org  website and fsf.org  GNOME is 
not mentioned once.  Searching on gnu.org , the first 
search result that mentions GNOME is a 10 year old press release around 
GNOME 1.0.  What is our formal relationship with the FSF and GNU?


The "G" in "GNOME" stands for "GNU".  So, the people who created GNOME
felt it was important to be under the GNU Umbrella of projects and that
our project would be a shining example of a free software project.  :)

   http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnome/
   http://www.gnome.org/about/

Quoting from the last link:

> GNOME is...
> Free
>
> GNOME is Free Software and part of the GNU project, dedicated to
> giving users and developers the ultimate level of control over their
> desktops, their software, and their data. Find out more about the GNU
> project and Free Software at gnu.org.

In fact, I believe one of the reasons why GNOME replaced KDE as the most
popular software desktop on free/open operating systems is because of
its free licensing.  So, the current popularity that we enjoy is due, in
part, to our relationship with the free software community and the FSF.
So, perhaps we should honor that it some ways.

Those are my long answers.  My short answer - I agree with Andre, and I 
prefer reality.  I look forward to hearing the Advisory Board's 
recommendation as well.


Yes, I think this is an issue that a lot of people have already made
strong opinions about, which probably makes it hard to think things
through very well.  So, I think we need to be a bit careful as we
consider this topic to not jump to any quick conclusions.

But, the fact that the lead of GNOME Marketing is not aware that GNOME
is a GNU project is probably a symptom of a larger problem - that we
do not do a very good job of promoting the free software aspects of our
overall ethic.  And regardless of what terminology we use for "Linux" or
"GNU/Linux", we probably should work to improve that.

Brian

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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Baris Cicek]

Hi Brian; 

There was a big discussion about GNU/Linux terminology usage in
documentation years ago. Here is the starting thread about that
discussion:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html

I didn't re-read whole discussion but I remember there wasn't any
terminology enforcement done by GNOME Doc Team about this.

I've also checked some marketing materials. GNOME 2.26 Release notes
does not have any mention of term "Linux", and in Quarterly Report only
places where Linux is used are either "Trademarks" or valid usage of
Linux as an operating system. And at homepage of gnome.org we already
use GNU/Linux. 

In my honest opinion, as GNOME, our relationship with Linux is similar
to our relationship with BSD or Solaris kernels. If we won't call
GNU/Solaris, calling GNU/Linux everywhere wouldn't be a consistent
approach.

Regards,
Baris.

On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:07 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
> Marketing Team:
> 
> The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
> "GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
> to free software and licenses as "open source".  Their argument, which
> I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and
> bring positive attention towards the free software community.
> 
> A few people have recently complained to the board that the GNOME
> community sometimes does not always follow these recommendations.  I
> imagine that some of these issues are caused by people just not being
> thoughtful about the terminology that they use, but I also do not
> believe that the GNOME community has an official stance on what language
> we should be using.  At any rate, we should probably be consistent with
> the language we use in more official GNOME Foundation communications.
> So, I think it is good to discuss and find out what the overall GNOME
> community thinks about this before making any sort of decision or
> encouraging people to use one term or another.
> 
> On one hand, since we are a GNU project and since one of the
> long-standing objectives of the GNOME community has been to promote
> free software, there is a good argument for following these
> recommendations and making it a more official policy that we try to
> use the terminology recommended by the FSF.
> 
> On the other hand, I know that some people in our community feel that
> it makes more sense to use the terms "Linux" and "open source" since
> they have more traction in the business world, and are more familiar.
> We often have trouble explaining what "GNOME" is to people, and it
> perhaps makes it harder when we use terms that are unfamiliar or that
> do not have traction.  So, there may be situations or types of
> communication where going against the FSF recommendations makes sense.
> However, if we feel that we should go against the recommendations of the
> FSF, we probably should have some solid reasoning for doing so.
> 
> Also, I think the GNOME Foundation needs to be sensitive to those
> partners with which we have close working relationships.  For example,
> we need to be sensitive to what opinions those on the advisory board
> might have to say about the terminology we use.  So, I have suggested to
> Stormy that we raise this topic at an upcoming advisory board meeting
> and find out what they think about this.  Whether or not they care would
> likely be an important input to consider in making any decision.
> 
> Perhaps it makes sense to use different terms when talking to different
> audiences.   Perhaps we should make more of an effort to use the terms
> recommended by the FSF when communicating with some audiences, and use
> other terms in other situations.  If so, perhaps we need to think about
> when it makes sense to use which terms and make this more clear so
> people have some guidance about what terms to use and when.
> 
> So, I am interested to hear what the GNOME marketing community thinks
> about this.  Since many of the documents where we use these terms are
> in public-facing documents such as marketing materials, PR, press
> releases, etc. I think whatever terms we use should be something that
> the marketing team thinks about and has input on any decisions made.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Brian

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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Paul Cutler]

A couple different thoughts:

* The most important thing we can do as marketers is know our audience.
While I respect Brian's comment we should be sensitive to politics, it's
really dependent on document we're writing and whom it is for.

* Most of our marketing is at end users - and for that reason, I prefer
"Linux" as that is the common word used by journalists both in the open
source press and the mainstream press.

* I don't know if I agree that having a good relationship with the FSF is
that important.  The anecdotal feedback I have on their recent campaigns,
including Windows 7 Sins and Bad Vista is that it does more harm than good.
While I have great respect for the work done in the past on multiple fronts,
including the GNU utilities, the GPL licenses and more, GNOME needs to be
relevant now and respectful of our current and potential future users.

* Brian, I was curious about an earlier statement you made:  "since we are a
GNU project " - are we?  What does that mean?   Looking at the
gnu.orgwebsite and
fsf.org GNOME is not mentioned once.  Searching on gnu.org, the first search
result that mentions GNOME is a 10 year old press release around GNOME 1.0.
What is our formal relationship with the FSF and GNU?

Those are my long answers.  My short answer - I agree with Andre, and I
prefer reality.  I look forward to hearing the Advisory Board's
recommendation as well.

Paul


On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Brian Cameron wrote:

>
> Shane:
>
>  Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say
>> GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect
>> the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics.
>>
>
> It may be politics, but within the context of the GNOME marketing-list,
> there should be some sensitivity to politics.  The GNOME Foundation does
> have relationships with various governments and does try to encourage
> them to use free and open source solutions, for example.  So, our
> messaging should be consistent, and I think we should not discount
> something in this forum for being "just politics".
>
> Having a good relationship with the FSF is important.  At the moment, we
> are doing a joint Women's Outreach program with them.  The GNOME
> Foundation also has certain benefits, like the fact that we are able
> to use the Software Freedom Law Center due to our free software status.
> By working with the FSF, and following their recommendations, we may
> find that more doors open, and we may find more opportunities to do
> interesting and positive things with them and other free software
> organizations.  Aside from the fact that promoting free software with
> the terminology we use may be just a "good thing" for any free software
> community to do.  If we choose not to follow their recommendations we
> may be like that uncle who always says inappropriate things and never
> gets invited to certain parties.
>
> However, as I said before, we do need to consider how the terminology
> we use affects our other partners, such as our advisory board members.
> Improving our relationship with the FSF at the expense of our
> relationship with others, or with the public at large, might not be a
> good idea.  However, I do not think we can make a decision without first
> talking about it amongst ourselves and with our advisory board members.
> So, I think it is a good idea to do both before making any sort of
> decision.
>
>
> Brian
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Shane Fagan]

So then we just use "GNU/Linux" and "Free and Open Source". Its not too
hard to do.
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:41 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
> Shane:
> 
> > Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say
> > GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect
> > the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics. 
> 
> It may be politics, but within the context of the GNOME marketing-list,
> there should be some sensitivity to politics.  The GNOME Foundation does
> have relationships with various governments and does try to encourage
> them to use free and open source solutions, for example.  So, our
> messaging should be consistent, and I think we should not discount
> something in this forum for being "just politics".
> 
> Having a good relationship with the FSF is important.  At the moment, we
> are doing a joint Women's Outreach program with them.  The GNOME
> Foundation also has certain benefits, like the fact that we are able
> to use the Software Freedom Law Center due to our free software status.
> By working with the FSF, and following their recommendations, we may
> find that more doors open, and we may find more opportunities to do
> interesting and positive things with them and other free software
> organizations.  Aside from the fact that promoting free software with
> the terminology we use may be just a "good thing" for any free software
> community to do.  If we choose not to follow their recommendations we
> may be like that uncle who always says inappropriate things and never
> gets invited to certain parties.
> 
> However, as I said before, we do need to consider how the terminology
> we use affects our other partners, such as our advisory board members.
> Improving our relationship with the FSF at the expense of our
> relationship with others, or with the public at large, might not be a
> good idea.  However, I do not think we can make a decision without first
> talking about it amongst ourselves and with our advisory board members.
> So, I think it is a good idea to do both before making any sort of
> decision.
> 
> Brian
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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Brian Cameron]

Shane:


Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say
GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect
the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics. 


It may be politics, but within the context of the GNOME marketing-list,
there should be some sensitivity to politics.  The GNOME Foundation does
have relationships with various governments and does try to encourage
them to use free and open source solutions, for example.  So, our
messaging should be consistent, and I think we should not discount
something in this forum for being "just politics".

Having a good relationship with the FSF is important.  At the moment, we
are doing a joint Women's Outreach program with them.  The GNOME
Foundation also has certain benefits, like the fact that we are able
to use the Software Freedom Law Center due to our free software status.
By working with the FSF, and following their recommendations, we may
find that more doors open, and we may find more opportunities to do
interesting and positive things with them and other free software
organizations.  Aside from the fact that promoting free software with
the terminology we use may be just a "good thing" for any free software
community to do.  If we choose not to follow their recommendations we
may be like that uncle who always says inappropriate things and never
gets invited to certain parties.

However, as I said before, we do need to consider how the terminology
we use affects our other partners, such as our advisory board members.
Improving our relationship with the FSF at the expense of our
relationship with others, or with the public at large, might not be a
good idea.  However, I do not think we can make a decision without first
talking about it amongst ourselves and with our advisory board members.
So, I think it is a good idea to do both before making any sort of
decision.

Brian

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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Andre Klapper]

Am Freitag, den 18.09.2009, 17:07 -0500 schrieb Brian Cameron:
> The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
> "GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
> to free software and licenses as "open source".

> Thoughts?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy

My very personal opinion: There's a reality out there, and there's the
fundamentalists of the FSF. I prefer reality.

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Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Shane Fagan]

Well I dont think many people outside of FSF care. Its harder to say
GNU/Linux and more people simply call it just linux. We should respect
the FSF but its not a big deal in my opinion. Its just politics. 

Regards
Shane Fagan

On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:07 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
> Marketing Team:
> 
> The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
> "GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
> to free software and licenses as "open source".  Their argument, which
> I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and
> bring positive attention towards the free software community.
> 
> A few people have recently complained to the board that the GNOME
> community sometimes does not always follow these recommendations.  I
> imagine that some of these issues are caused by people just not being
> thoughtful about the terminology that they use, but I also do not
> believe that the GNOME community has an official stance on what language
> we should be using.  At any rate, we should probably be consistent with
> the language we use in more official GNOME Foundation communications.
> So, I think it is good to discuss and find out what the overall GNOME
> community thinks about this before making any sort of decision or
> encouraging people to use one term or another.
> 
> On one hand, since we are a GNU project and since one of the
> long-standing objectives of the GNOME community has been to promote
> free software, there is a good argument for following these
> recommendations and making it a more official policy that we try to
> use the terminology recommended by the FSF.
> 
> On the other hand, I know that some people in our community feel that
> it makes more sense to use the terms "Linux" and "open source" since
> they have more traction in the business world, and are more familiar.
> We often have trouble explaining what "GNOME" is to people, and it
> perhaps makes it harder when we use terms that are unfamiliar or that
> do not have traction.  So, there may be situations or types of
> communication where going against the FSF recommendations makes sense.
> However, if we feel that we should go against the recommendations of the
> FSF, we probably should have some solid reasoning for doing so.
> 
> Also, I think the GNOME Foundation needs to be sensitive to those
> partners with which we have close working relationships.  For example,
> we need to be sensitive to what opinions those on the advisory board
> might have to say about the terminology we use.  So, I have suggested to
> Stormy that we raise this topic at an upcoming advisory board meeting
> and find out what they think about this.  Whether or not they care would
> likely be an important input to consider in making any decision.
> 
> Perhaps it makes sense to use different terms when talking to different
> audiences.   Perhaps we should make more of an effort to use the terms
> recommended by the FSF when communicating with some audiences, and use
> other terms in other situations.  If so, perhaps we need to think about
> when it makes sense to use which terms and make this more clear so
> people have some guidance about what terms to use and when.
> 
> So, I am interested to hear what the GNOME marketing community thinks
> about this.  Since many of the documents where we use these terms are
> in public-facing documents such as marketing materials, PR, press
> releases, etc. I think whatever terms we use should be something that
> the marketing team thinks about and has input on any decisions made.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
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FSF, terminology, and marketing

[Brian Cameron]

Marketing Team:

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term
"GNU/Linux" instead of the term "Linux", and also discourages referring
to free software and licenses as "open source".  Their argument, which
I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and
bring positive attention towards the free software community.

A few people have recently complained to the board that the GNOME
community sometimes does not always follow these recommendations.  I
imagine that some of these issues are caused by people just not being
thoughtful about the terminology that they use, but I also do not
believe that the GNOME community has an official stance on what language
we should be using.  At any rate, we should probably be consistent with
the language we use in more official GNOME Foundation communications.
So, I think it is good to discuss and find out what the overall GNOME
community thinks about this before making any sort of decision or
encouraging people to use one term or another.

On one hand, since we are a GNU project and since one of the
long-standing objectives of the GNOME community has been to promote
free software, there is a good argument for following these
recommendations and making it a more official policy that we try to
use the terminology recommended by the FSF.

On the other hand, I know that some people in our community feel that
it makes more sense to use the terms "Linux" and "open source" since
they have more traction in the business world, and are more familiar.
We often have trouble explaining what "GNOME" is to people, and it
perhaps makes it harder when we use terms that are unfamiliar or that
do not have traction.  So, there may be situations or types of
communication where going against the FSF recommendations makes sense.
However, if we feel that we should go against the recommendations of the
FSF, we probably should have some solid reasoning for doing so.

Also, I think the GNOME Foundation needs to be sensitive to those
partners with which we have close working relationships.  For example,
we need to be sensitive to what opinions those on the advisory board
might have to say about the terminology we use.  So, I have suggested to
Stormy that we raise this topic at an upcoming advisory board meeting
and find out what they think about this.  Whether or not they care would
likely be an important input to consider in making any decision.

Perhaps it makes sense to use different terms when talking to different
audiences.   Perhaps we should make more of an effort to use the terms
recommended by the FSF when communicating with some audiences, and use
other terms in other situations.  If so, perhaps we need to think about
when it makes sense to use which terms and make this more clear so
people have some guidance about what terms to use and when.

So, I am interested to hear what the GNOME marketing community thinks
about this.  Since many of the documents where we use these terms are
in public-facing documents such as marketing materials, PR, press
releases, etc. I think whatever terms we use should be something that
the marketing team thinks about and has input on any decisions made.

Thoughts?

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Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

[Stormy Peters]

Let's just drop the openSUSE part. That'll give us a nice round 3.
Fedora, Ubuntu and OpenSolaris.

Stormy

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Alex Hudson  wrote:
> On 18/09/09 17:22, Lucas Rocha wrote:
>>
>> Can we say it is the default desktop environment in openSUSE? Not sure.
>>
>>
>
> AIUI, Enterprise editions of SUSE default to it (at the moment). OpenSUSE
> itself actually defaults to KDE, albeit only by pre-selecting an option for
> the user to choose between.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

[Alex Hudson]

On 18/09/09 17:22, Lucas Rocha wrote:

Can we say it is the default desktop environment in openSUSE? Not sure.

   


AIUI, Enterprise editions of SUSE default to it (at the moment). 
OpenSUSE itself actually defaults to KDE, albeit only by pre-selecting 
an option for the user to choose between.


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Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Stormy Peters]

I vote for Freedom with GNOME.

My second choice would be something with a subtitle. Discover GNOME:
Your Free Desktop. I'm not sure I'd use the word accessible in the
title. At least in English it's not an easy word to say.

And obviously I'd like to defer to people that know the local language
and culture ...

Stormy

P.S. Brian, I think we could add the word software to your title, and
don't forget usability! "Discover Accessing Freedom With Easy-to-Use
GNOME - Your Free Software Desktop"

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Brian Cameron  wrote:
>
> Emily:
>
> How about "Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop"
>
> Just joking.
>
> Brian
>
>
>> 1. Discover GNOME 3.0
>> 2. Discover GNOME
>> 3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
>> 4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
>> 5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
>> 6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
>> 7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
>> 8. Access your desktop with GNOME
>> 9. GNOME your desktop
>> 10.Freedom with GNOME
>>     more ...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Emily
>>
>>
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Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

[Lucas Rocha]

Hey,

2009/9/18 Stormy Peters :
> I incorporated Paul's feedback and I'm cc'ing the marketing team so we
> can get some more feedback as this needs to go out tomorrow. (FYI, I
> won't be online this afternoon so please don't wait for me if you have
> good feedback or ideas.)
>
> We are looking for input and feedback on a GNOME press release to
> support Software Freedom Day.
>
> Once we get feedback and do some more edits, can someone on this list
> post this to the website tomorrow?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stormy
>
> Supported
>
> Beyond the worldwide GNOME Community, GNOME is supported by the
> leading companies in GNU/Linux and Unix and many free software
> projects, including Access, Canonical, Debian, Free Software
> Foundation, HP, Google, IBM, Igalia, Intel, Motorola, Mozilla
> Foundation, Nokia, Novell, OLPC, Red Hat, Software Freedom Law Center,
> Sugar Labs and Sun. GNOME is proud to be the default Desktop
> Environment that powers popular distributions including Ubuntu,
> Fedora, OpenSUSE and OpenSolaris.

Can we say it is the default desktop environment in openSUSE? Not sure.

Looks nice!

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Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Brian Cameron]

Emily:

How about "Discover Accessing Freedom With GNOME - Your Desktop"

Just joking.

Brian



1. Discover GNOME 3.0
2. Discover GNOME
3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
8. Access your desktop with GNOME
9. GNOME your desktop
10.Freedom with GNOME
 more ...

Thanks,
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Re: Software Freedom Day Press Release

[Stormy Peters]

I incorporated Paul's feedback and I'm cc'ing the marketing team so we
can get some more feedback as this needs to go out tomorrow. (FYI, I
won't be online this afternoon so please don't wait for me if you have
good feedback or ideas.)

We are looking for input and feedback on a GNOME press release to
support Software Freedom Day.

Once we get feedback and do some more edits, can someone on this list
post this to the website tomorrow?

Thanks,

Stormy

GNOME promotes Software Freedom Day
September 19, 2009

The GNOME Community is a excited to promote and participate in
Software Freedom Day. Around the world, GNOME community members will
be celebrating software freedom and the work that GNOME has done to
make a free desktop accessible for all.

Software Freedom is about a technology future that we can trust, that
is sustainable, and that supports the basic human freedoms. Untrusted
electoral systems can lead to civil unrest and a lack of trust in
governing bodies. Proprietary data formats can mean lockout to
accessing our own information! Software Freedom can be maintained by
transparent systems (such as Free and Open Source Software) that are
based on open, secure and sustainable standards including data formats
and communication protocols.

In addition, software freedom is about making sure that software can
be used by all humanity regardless of the language they speak, the
amount of money they have or their physical abilities. And this is
where GNOME excels. To provide free software to everyone, GNOME is:

Free.

GNOME is Free Software and part of the GNU project, dedicated to
giving users and developers the ultimate level of control over their
desktops, their software, and their data. Find out more about the GNU
project and Free Software at gnu.org.

Usable.

GNOME understands that usability is about creating software that is
easy for everyone to use. GNOME's community of professional and
volunteer usability experts have created
Free Software's first and only Human Interface Guidelines, and all
core GNOME software is adopting these principles. Find out more about
GNOME and usability at the GNOME Usability Project.

Accessible

Free Software is about enabling software freedom for everyone,
including users and developers with disabilities. GNOME's
Accessibility framework is the result of several years of effort, and
makes GNOME the most accessible desktop for any Unix platform. Find
out more at the GNOME Accessibility Project.
http://projects.gnome.org/accessibility/

International

GNOME is used, developed and documented in dozens of languages, and we
strive to ensure that every piece of GNOME software can be translated
into all languages. During the last GNOME Development cycle, the GNOME
Desktop was translated into over 40 languages!

Developer-friendly

Developers are not tied to a single language with GNOME. You can use
C, C++, Python, Perl, Java, and C#, to produce high-quality
applications that integrate smoothly into the rest of your Unix or
GNU/Linux (commonly referred to as Linux) desktop.

Organized

GNOME strives to be an organized community, with a foundation of
several hundred members, usability, accessibility, and QA teams, and
an elected board. GNOME releases are defined by the GNOME Release Team
every six months.

Supported

Beyond the worldwide GNOME Community, GNOME is supported by the
leading companies in GNU/Linux and Unix and many free software
projects, including Access, Canonical, Debian, Free Software
Foundation, HP, Google, IBM, Igalia, Intel, Motorola, Mozilla
Foundation, Nokia, Novell, OLPC, Red Hat, Software Freedom Law Center,
Sugar Labs and Sun. GNOME is proud to be the default Desktop
Environment that powers popular distributions including Ubuntu,
Fedora, OpenSUSE and OpenSolaris.

A community

Perhaps more than anything else, GNOME is a worldwide community of
volunteers who hack, translate, design, QA, and generally have fun
together.

Please join the GNOME community in celebrating the achievements the
free software world has made.

GNOME people will be celebrating Software Freedom Day at: [Need more links!]
http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=104
http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/09/free-education-as-in-free-speech.html

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
> Comments in-line (I couldn't figure out the best way to edit this, I need
> more coffee this morning).
>
> Stormy - this looks great, thanks for doing this, especially at the last
> minute.  The reason this has been on my radar was a blog post I read a year
> ago that took us to task for not doing something like this.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
>> >
>> > * Press Release for Software Freedom Day (We didn't do this last year,
>> > and it's probably a good opportunity to highlight GNOME's role in free
>> > software as a desktop, including translations, accessibility, etc)
>> >
>>
>> Here's a first draft. All comm

Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

[Jaap A. Haitsma]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 16:56, Stormy Peters  wrote:
> I don't like having the Amazon logo on our home page. We don't have
> anyone else's logo there.
>
> I am ok with the text and link.

I understand maybe somebody with more graphic skills than me can make
a nice logo for the GNOME Amazon store.

A logo is much better for conversion rates. People or much more likely
to notice it and click on it

I'll push the link for now and hopefully a graphic artist can make a nice logo

Jaap

> Stormy
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> Let's get one more from the marketing team before making the change.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jaap A. Haitsma  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Shall I add to the main gnome page like this
>>>
>>> http://gnome.haitsma.org/
>>>
>>> Jaap
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 23:40, Shane Fagan 
>>> wrote:
>>> > I didnt know about the gnome amazon store until I heard about it on this
>>> > list. Its just not visable on the main page of Gnome.org so id say the
>>> > reason why its not being used is really lack of visability.
>>> >
>>> > Shane
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:09 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
>>> >> Jaap:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Sofar we made this month the following in the GNOME amazon store
>>> >> > http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/
>>> >> >
>>> >> > $5 in the US
>>> >> > 1.4 euro in Germany
>>> >> > 618 yen in Japan
>>> >> > and nothing in Canada and the UK
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We need some more marketing such that people in the community that
>>> >> > buy
>>> >> > at amazon will use the store or install the search plugin.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Maybe some more people should blog about it
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Any other ideas what we can do?
>>> >>
>>> >> Why doesn't http://library.gnome.org/ and other relevant sites on
>>> >> the GNOME web point to the Amazon store?
>>> >>
>>> >> Brian
>>> >>
>>> >
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Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

[Stormy Peters]

I don't like having the Amazon logo on our home page. We don't have
anyone else's logo there.

I am ok with the text and link.

Stormy

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Paul Cutler  wrote:
> +1 from me.
>
> Let's get one more from the marketing team before making the change.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jaap A. Haitsma  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Shall I add to the main gnome page like this
>>
>> http://gnome.haitsma.org/
>>
>> Jaap
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 23:40, Shane Fagan 
>> wrote:
>> > I didnt know about the gnome amazon store until I heard about it on this
>> > list. Its just not visable on the main page of Gnome.org so id say the
>> > reason why its not being used is really lack of visability.
>> >
>> > Shane
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:09 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
>> >> Jaap:
>> >>
>> >> > Sofar we made this month the following in the GNOME amazon store
>> >> > http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/
>> >> >
>> >> > $5 in the US
>> >> > 1.4 euro in Germany
>> >> > 618 yen in Japan
>> >> > and nothing in Canada and the UK
>> >> >
>> >> > We need some more marketing such that people in the community that
>> >> > buy
>> >> > at amazon will use the store or install the search plugin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe some more people should blog about it
>> >> >
>> >> > Any other ideas what we can do?
>> >>
>> >> Why doesn't http://library.gnome.org/ and other relevant sites on
>> >> the GNOME web point to the Amazon store?
>> >>
>> >> Brian
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

[Paul Cutler]

+1 from me.

Let's get one more from the marketing team before making the change.

Paul

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jaap A. Haitsma  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Shall I add to the main gnome page like this
>
> http://gnome.haitsma.org/
>
> Jaap
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 23:40, Shane Fagan 
> wrote:
> > I didnt know about the gnome amazon store until I heard about it on this
> > list. Its just not visable on the main page of Gnome.org so id say the
> > reason why its not being used is really lack of visability.
> >
> > Shane
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:09 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
> >> Jaap:
> >>
> >> > Sofar we made this month the following in the GNOME amazon store
> >> > http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/
> >> >
> >> > $5 in the US
> >> > 1.4 euro in Germany
> >> > 618 yen in Japan
> >> > and nothing in Canada and the UK
> >> >
> >> > We need some more marketing such that people in the community that buy
> >> > at amazon will use the store or install the search plugin.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe some more people should blog about it
> >> >
> >> > Any other ideas what we can do?
> >>
> >> Why doesn't http://library.gnome.org/ and other relevant sites on
> >> the GNOME web point to the Amazon store?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >
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Re: Promoting the GNOME amazon store

[Jaap A. Haitsma]

Hi,

Shall I add to the main gnome page like this

http://gnome.haitsma.org/

Jaap

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 23:40, Shane Fagan  wrote:
> I didnt know about the gnome amazon store until I heard about it on this
> list. Its just not visable on the main page of Gnome.org so id say the
> reason why its not being used is really lack of visability.
>
> Shane
>
> On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 16:09 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
>> Jaap:
>>
>> > Sofar we made this month the following in the GNOME amazon store
>> > http://www.gnome.org/friends/amazon/
>> >
>> > $5 in the US
>> > 1.4 euro in Germany
>> > 618 yen in Japan
>> > and nothing in Canada and the UK
>> >
>> > We need some more marketing such that people in the community that buy
>> > at amazon will use the store or install the search plugin.
>> >
>> > Maybe some more people should blog about it
>> >
>> > Any other ideas what we can do?
>>
>> Why doesn't http://library.gnome.org/ and other relevant sites on
>> the GNOME web point to the Amazon store?
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Re: Suggestion about providing more value to Foundation members

[Iestyn Pryce]

Ar Mer, 2009-09-16 am 11:03 -0600, ysgrifennodd Stormy Peters:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Brian Cameron 
> wrote:
> 
> Stormy:
> 
> 
> > How do we encourage people to write recommendations? Could
> we do some
> > sort of "Pass it on" campaign? A few of us could write
> > recommendations and then ask the people we recommended to
> "pass it
> > on" by recommending two more people.
> 
> 
> That is not a bad idea.  However, I think one thing that makes
> this hard
> is that many people probably do not know who is doing good
> hard work.
> Many people might be thrilled by the new bugzilla, for
> example, but
> have no idea who did the work.  It is hard to recommend people
> if you
> do not know who is doing things.
> 
> What if we had a "thank you GNOME" mailing list or page. People could
> send in their thanks for specific features or work and we could match
> it up with the right person. 

Perl have a 'perlthanks' utility which is essentially a configuration of
their bug reporting tool to emial thank-you notes. It would be nice to
have such a program in GNOME (possibly linked to the About Gnome UI),
though all that may be needed is a link to a webpage in About Gnome
where they can submit a thank-you note.

Regards,
Iestyn


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Re: Theme for Summit 2009, need everyone's feedback

[Emily Chen]

Hi all,

Below is the all the candidate themes for GNOME.Asia summit 2009 in Vietnam
so far, I cc: to marketing-list@gnome.org to get more ideas.

1. Discover GNOME 3.0
2. Discover GNOME
3. Discover GNOME - Your Accessible Desktop
4. Discover GNOME - The Accessible Desktop
5. Discover GNOME - Access Your Desktop
6. Access Your Desktop - Discover GNOME
7. Discover your desktop with GNOME
8. Access your desktop with GNOME
9. GNOME your desktop
10.Freedom with GNOME
 more ...

Thanks,
Emily
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Re: GNOME Journal Issue 16 - September 2009 Released!

[Jim Hodapp]

Whoohoo!!! Thanks Paul. Special thanks goes to Paul Cutler, for writing 
all 3 articles for this issue! This is issue 16, Paul Cutler edition! :)


Jim

On 09/09/2009 09:57 AM, Paul Cutler wrote:

The GNOME Journal team has released Issue 16 of the GNOME Journal.

Issue 16 features three new articles, including a recap of the recent
Writing Open Source Conference, an interview with John Palmieri based on
his recent GUADEC talk, "Putting the Network back into G(N)OME", and
Behind the Scenes with Lucas Rocha (who originally started the Behind
the Scenes feature).

Issue 17 is currently being planned with a focus on Multimedia - if you
would like to contribute an article, please let me know.

Special thanks to Jim Hodapp and Shaun McCance for editing, and Lucas
and J5 for their time at GUADEC and participating.  All articles are
released under a CC-BY-SA 2.0 license.

Go read GNOME Journal now! http://www.gnomejournal.org

Paul Cutler



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