Re: Short slide decks for use in GNOME community presentations
Hi Brian and Jason, Many thanks for your comments on the slide decks. I've noted them down and will respond in detail next week after all feedback is in. for The GNOME Foundation. Note that the GNOME Foundation did recently announce an interest in receiving bids for doing additional GNOME Marketing related work, perhaps with more of a focus on GNOME 3. Yes, we saw this and we'll be getting in touch with the Foundation about it. Many thanks for pointing it out. I'd again encourage everyone on the list to review the slides and send in their feedback and comments by the end of this week so I have a complete list of changes to work with. Thanks in advance. Vikram Vaswani Initmarketing -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ This design is a bit different from the one I did at the Marketing Hackfest in Spain, but it has basically the same stuff + some new content that Allan recently put together. No videos for now, since we don't have any ready, but a bunch of screenshots, some info, a faq and ways to try it. We can add more stuff, or refocus the page if needed later. Should be pretty ready to launch. - Andreas Thanks for all your work on this, Andreas. The site is looking really nice. One topic that I think we need to discuss is the getit.html page [1] since, from a marketing perspective, we need to be very careful how we present this. I can think of a few issues here: * GNOME Shell != GNOME 3. Visually, it's the font, wallpaper, etc, and there are all the application improvements too. Do we want to include instructions for just trying GNOME Shell on this page, or for trying the whole thing? If we go for the former, we should include a statement that explains the relationship of GNOME Shell to GNOME 3. * How up-to-date is the software made available through the channels listed on this page? Do we need to do some quality control to ensure that the recommended methods are reasonably up-to-date? * The experience these previews provide is going to be sub-standard compared with the final 3.0 release, and we need to indicate that to users (in big big letters). Instead of 'Try it now', something like 'Test the alpha' or 'Technology previews' could work. And we need a big 'Alpha Version' or 'Preview Versions' sticker on the page [1], plus some text [2] which explains the quality issue. Best, Allan [1] http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/getit.html [2] What about: 'GNOME 3 is under active development and will not be completed until March 2010. If you are interested in what it will look like, want to help with testing, or just cannot wait to give it a go, you can use one of the following methods to try a preview version. Please be aware that these previews will not provide as good an experience as the completed version of GNOME 3, however.'? -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
Suggestion from a friend of mine (who doesn't speak English): maybe we should register madeofeasy.org too? --lucasr 2011/1/10 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ This design is a bit different from the one I did at the Marketing Hackfest in Spain, but it has basically the same stuff + some new content that Allan recently put together. No videos for now, since we don't have any ready, but a bunch of screenshots, some info, a faq and ways to try it. We can add more stuff, or refocus the page if needed later. Should be pretty ready to launch. - Andreas Thanks for all your work on this, Andreas. The site is looking really nice. One topic that I think we need to discuss is the getit.html page [1] since, from a marketing perspective, we need to be very careful how we present this. I can think of a few issues here: * GNOME Shell != GNOME 3. Visually, it's the font, wallpaper, etc, and there are all the application improvements too. Do we want to include instructions for just trying GNOME Shell on this page, or for trying the whole thing? If we go for the former, we should include a statement that explains the relationship of GNOME Shell to GNOME 3. * How up-to-date is the software made available through the channels listed on this page? Do we need to do some quality control to ensure that the recommended methods are reasonably up-to-date? * The experience these previews provide is going to be sub-standard compared with the final 3.0 release, and we need to indicate that to users (in big big letters). Instead of 'Try it now', something like 'Test the alpha' or 'Technology previews' could work. And we need a big 'Alpha Version' or 'Preview Versions' sticker on the page [1], plus some text [2] which explains the quality issue. Best, Allan [1] http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/getit.html [2] What about: 'GNOME 3 is under active development and will not be completed until March 2010. If you are interested in what it will look like, want to help with testing, or just cannot wait to give it a go, you can use one of the following methods to try a preview version. Please be aware that these previews will not provide as good an experience as the completed version of GNOME 3, however.'? -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest. At that time, it was really close to launching ... http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/ This design is a bit different from the one I did at the Marketing Hackfest in Spain, but it has basically the same stuff + some new content that Allan recently put together. No videos for now, since we don't have any ready, but a bunch of screenshots, some info, a faq and ways to try it. We can add more stuff, or refocus the page if needed later. Should be pretty ready to launch. - Andreas Thanks for all your work on this, Andreas. The site is looking really nice. Ditto! I do have a couple of suggesiton. The background seems to be of the same palette as the letters and it makes it slightly harder to see. I'm wondering if a better contrasting background color (slightly darker perhaps?) might make the letters pop out a little better. This is just a personal observation and of course YMMV. It would be easier to read then. But then I've found that my eyesight has gotten somewhat worse this past couple of months! Damn these post 40 years. :) * The experience these previews provide is going to be sub-standard compared with the final 3.0 release, and we need to indicate that to users (in big big letters). Instead of 'Try it now', something like 'Test the alpha' or 'Technology previews' could work. And we need a big 'Alpha Version' or 'Preview Versions' sticker on the page [1], plus some text [2] which explains the quality issue. Just a slight digression on this, as your preview release reminded me of something I wanted to mention regarding our own final release: So, my observations regarding KDE4 on slashdot and other forums are that users are nuts. KDE 4.0 was released as a preview release and people were bitching constantly about regressions despite whatever was said about it. Basically, they've decided that if you put 4.0 in front of it it means that it is stable and is ready to use and has all the bells and whistles like the last release. 3.0 == stable Now for us we aren't going to have everything at 3.0, and I'm hoping GNOME users are a lot better at accepting this than KDE users were. I have no idea where you get that kind of idea in software. Nobody believes that a dot oh of anything is going to be completely stable. We need to be on our guard there as I don't believe we will be feature complete by release. Now as for previews itself, I think we will need to do that so that it is constantly mentioned. I would like to put something in slashdot and other forums that it is available and it is a preview release. With the final release in mind, we will need to seed the expectation that GNOME 3.0 will iteratively be feature complete a year after release or something and will continue in a different direction. Best, Allan [1] http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/getit.html [2] What about: 'GNOME 3 is under active development and will not be completed until March 2010. If you are interested in what it will look like, want to help with testing, or just cannot wait to give it a go, you can use one of the following methods to try a preview version. Please be aware that these previews will not provide as good an experience as the completed version of GNOME 3, however.'? If you add that, we need to at least teach people how to interact with developers on feedback. I can imagine a fresh bunch of people joining the mailing list and we'll have to go through the whole thing again. Pointing towards bugzilla, the faq, and design decisions also should be required. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:45 AM, Lucas Rocha luc...@gnome.org wrote: Suggestion from a friend of mine (who doesn't speak English): maybe we should register madeofeasy.org too? \ If it is available, then we should do it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
Hi, Allan Day wrote: * GNOME Shell != GNOME 3. Visually, it's the font, wallpaper, etc, and there are all the application improvements too. Do we want to include instructions for just trying GNOME Shell on this page, or for trying the whole thing? If we go for the former, we should include a statement that explains the relationship of GNOME Shell to GNOME 3. I'd like to try the whole thing. Ideally, I would love to be able to use GNOME 2.91.x right now (and I think we should be encouraging as many people on d-d-l who aren't already dogfooding to do so before the GNOME 3 release). I haven't figured out any way to do this with 2.91.3 on Ubuntu, apart from jhbuild (and I'd like to go through the package manager if I can). * The experience these previews provide is going to be sub-standard compared with the final 3.0 release, and we need to indicate that to users (in big big letters). Instead of 'Try it now', something like 'Test the alpha' or 'Technology previews' could work. And we need a big 'Alpha Version' or 'Preview Versions' sticker on the page [1], plus some text [2] which explains the quality issue. We discussed this on IRC a few days ago - I agree with Allan. We want to get people using it, because that will dispell some of the FUD around GNOME 3, whether hardware is compatible or not, etc. We should also document (discretely ;) rollback instructions for returning to GNOME 2 if things don't work out. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New face to Friends of GNOME
Andreas: - Currently the Corporate Sponsorship only includes being an Advisory Board member. I'm not sure I like the term Corporate since Advisory Board members can be other non-for-profits, Foundations, or other non-Corporate organizations. It would be nice to include information about Advisory Board fees. But if they are a non-profit, we don't currently charge them. We should mention more about how non-profits work in terms of fees, agreed. But I was just trying to highlight that sponsors and Advisory Board members are not necessarily Corporate entities, so I think it would be best to avoid the term Corporate. For example, I could imagine a School for the Blind being on the advisory board if they made use of GNOME technologies and were in a good position to provide The GNOME Foundation with advisory input. Such an organization may not be a corporate one. It would also be nice to provide options for organizations that wish to donate but not be on the Advisory Board (or not donate as much as the fee). Perhaps we could provide a page where we put logos/links to organizations who donate in this way. Or perhaps we could include logos for organizations who donate a certain amount at events we organize. Perhaps we could offer a menu of choices where organizations could be recognized in different ways based on the amount donated. That needs a bunch of work on it's own, but I agree with the idea in general. We also need to figure out how to word it and where to put it. Sure. - Will it be possible to earmark donations for certain projects (such as Women's Outreach or a11y)? If so, the page should highlight how to do this. This makes the forms and other stuff more detailed as well, and it could be a slippery slope regarding what teams we list there. I would rather see this as aimed donation campaigns instead. Anybody else have any thoughts about what we should do here? Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
snip So, my observations regarding KDE4 on slashdot and other forums are that users are nuts. KDE 4.0 was released as a preview release and people were bitching constantly about regressions despite whatever was said about it. Basically, they've decided that if you put 4.0 in front of it it means that it is stable and is ready to use and has all the bells and whistles like the last release. 3.0 == stable Now for us we aren't going to have everything at 3.0, and I'm hoping GNOME users are a lot better at accepting this than KDE users were. I have no idea where you get that kind of idea in software. Nobody believes that a dot oh of anything is going to be completely stable. We need to be on our guard there as I don't believe we will be feature complete by release. Now as for previews itself, I think we will need to do that so that it is constantly mentioned. I would like to put something in slashdot and other forums that it is available and it is a preview release. With the final release in mind, we will need to seed the expectation that GNOME 3.0 will iteratively be feature complete a year after release or something and will continue in a different direction. /snip I think it's fair for users to expect that a dot oh release should be stable and ready for the vast majority of use cases. There might be the odd niggle, but the essential functionality should be there. I would in no way want people to get the impression that 3.0 will not be 'feature complete'. (Please, let's not use that phrase; it could backfire horribly!) What we can do is spread the word that we have lots of cool and exciting plans for the 3.x release series. 3.0 will be great, and it will continue to get better and better in the months and years to come. Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GCI: Update Gnome Usergroup Info, Introduction
So I'm still doing this task. I'm sorry I haven't sent any updates in the last two days, I was quite busy. So far I've emailed about half of the list, and have only gotten info from China and Brazil. I've gotten updated contact info from them and estimated member populations. Also, GNOME Brazil had a meetup recently (which I have added to the wiki), and GNOME China is trying to open up a store, if I read correctly. And I just noticed that technically the GCI thing finished, so I can't get credit for this task. Oh well, I'll still follow it through; I'd feel like a jerk if I were to just drop it, especially seeing the other two students who did just go and drop it, heh. More updates soon! -- Jason -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GCI: Update Gnome Usergroup Info, Introduction
On 01/11/2011 12:22 PM, Jason Lo wrote: So I'm still doing this task. I'm sorry I haven't sent any updates in the last two days, I was quite busy. So far I've emailed about half of the list, and have only gotten info from China and Brazil. I've gotten updated contact info from them and estimated member populations. Also, GNOME Brazil had a meetup recently (which I have added to the wiki), and GNOME China is trying to open up a store, if I read correctly. And I just noticed that technically the GCI thing finished, so I can't get credit for this task. Oh well, I'll still follow it through; I'd feel like a jerk if I were to just drop it, especially seeing the other two students who did just go and drop it, heh. More updates soon! -- Jason From what I know, both the Beijing and Taiwan GUG meet monthly (Taiwan GUG meeting has been in Taipei so far). Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
