reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

So, I've been hitting the reddit /r/gnome and believe it or not I've been
getting positive reactions to my advocacy.

Someone suggested doing a IAMA GNOME developer or maybe designer.  I
thought that was a pretty decent idea. I generally love the reddit
community and it's not filled with the same kind of silliness like slashdot.

Maybe Allan and Jasper could do a tag team and talk about GNOME and it's
vision.  What do you think?  I can probably also help out as well.  It
would be a great public relations event.  It'll be a challenge, but it's
worth doing.

sri
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Re: Friends of GNOME campaign

[Karen Sandler]

On Tue, November 13, 2012 6:42 pm, Juanjo Marín wrote:
>
>>
>> De: Oliver Propst 
>>Para: Tobias Mueller 
>>CC: GNOME Marketing List 
>>Enviado: Domingo 11 de noviembre de 2012 13:15
>>Asunto: Re: Friends of GNOME campaign
>>
>>Hi again.
>>
>>I now got two concrete proposals of how to present a Web
>>campaign.
>>
>>One option is as previous suggested to do a campaign
>>specifically with the aim of shipping a WebKit2 based
>>version of Web. The benefit with this proposal is that
>>much of the Web teams effort is currently at shipping
>>a WebKit2 based version of Web. This would make a
>>clear connection between the campaign and the current
>>roadmap of Web [1]. It would also mean that the money
>>raised would actually to a large degree cover the expanses
>>of implementing the features that is being listed.
>>
>>The campaign would target the following features
>>-Favicons
>>-Remember HTTP and form passwords (complex)
>>-User style sheet support
>>-Unsubmitted modified forms warning
>>-Inline source view
>>-DNS prefetching
>>
>>
>>The other option would be to do a Web campaign that list more
>>general features that are missing from Web including:
>>
>>-WebKit2 support in Web
>>-Queue/Read later section of the Overview
>>-Favorites/Bookmarks section of the Overview
>>-Nicely animated tab switching [2]
>>
>>This would mean to present the campaign in a similar way
>>as the a11y campaign did [3], that is not to promise to
>>implement every feature that is being listed but present a
>>list with (general) missing features in Web, (since it would
>>require a very large amount of money to implement all the
>>features mentioned above). The benefit with this proposal
>>is that it would be clear that the campaign is about improving
>>Web by listing user visible features and could by doing
>>so make people more willing to donate.
>>
>>The basic principle is regardless to make people excited
>>about a native web experience in GNOME.
>>
>>The the financial goal of the campaign would be something
>>around k30$.
>>
>>I have made a document that summarizes the proposal [4]
>>
>>Are this something we want to do, thoughts/feedback are
>>very much welcome.
>>
>>If there is no interest of doing a Web campaign either around
>>WebKit2 or a more general one I think its time for other members
>>in the marketing team to step-up present/be more concrete about
>>their proposals, as it will soon have been a full year since the
>>a11y campaign was launched.
>>

Thanks for suggesting this, and you're quite right to get us moving on a
campaign!

> Hi Oliver,
>
>
> My main concern about your proposal is that I think that a list of
> features is not very consistent for a FoG campaign without a clear
> message. Taking into account that Web is not a very popular application by
> now, most people don't care. Don't get me wrong, I support Web, but a list
> of concrete technical features of an application not very popular by now
> doesn't attract too many people for a donation IMHO.
>
>
> I think that what we need to make a FoG campaign for WebKit2GTK+ is a
> super feature that makes the difference for GNOME, even better if you can
> use in several parts of the desktop. Maybe Tobias Mueller idea of Privacy
> and Security can be this super feature.

I think Juanjo has a point. The a11y campaign was not only successful
financially but also in raising awareness for an important issue. While
this isn't a requirement for a campaign, we should think a way to best
couch whatever we choose to do. Perhaps we could do that for the Web too.

Part of the reason that Privacy/Security came up was because of some of
the ideological discussion we had at GUADEC. So this is a more natural
fit. However, if there's no one to drive that campaign it may be better to
do something else this time.

Whichever campaign we do, we should make a decision quickly so we can
launch before the holiday season.

Should we have a meeting to discuss this? Perhaps next week? I could even
set up a conference line so we can hear each other :)

karen

> Just my two cents,
>
>    -- Juanjo Marin
>
>
>
>>1. https://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/Roadmap/3.8
>>2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2VALT-DMGU&feature=plcp
>>3.
>> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-December/msg00030.html
>>4.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19V52k7L75MII6lcuxQtp-9uQxvxckdUIWUis4jXVp8k/edit#
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Re: Friends of GNOME campaign

[Juanjo Marín]

>
> De: Oliver Propst 
>Para: Tobias Mueller  
>CC: GNOME Marketing List  
>Enviado: Domingo 11 de noviembre de 2012 13:15
>Asunto: Re: Friends of GNOME campaign
> 
>Hi again.
>
>I now got two concrete proposals of how to present a Web
>campaign.
>
>One option is as previous suggested to do a campaign
>specifically with the aim of shipping a WebKit2 based
>version of Web. The benefit with this proposal is that
>much of the Web teams effort is currently at shipping
>a WebKit2 based version of Web. This would make a
>clear connection between the campaign and the current
>roadmap of Web [1]. It would also mean that the money
>raised would actually to a large degree cover the expanses
>of implementing the features that is being listed.
>
>The campaign would target the following features
>-Favicons
>-Remember HTTP and form passwords (complex)
>-User style sheet support
>-Unsubmitted modified forms warning
>-Inline source view
>-DNS prefetching
>
>
>The other option would be to do a Web campaign that list more
>general features that are missing from Web including:
>
>-WebKit2 support in Web
>-Queue/Read later section of the Overview
>-Favorites/Bookmarks section of the Overview
>-Nicely animated tab switching [2]
>
>This would mean to present the campaign in a similar way
>as the a11y campaign did [3], that is not to promise to
>implement every feature that is being listed but present a
>list with (general) missing features in Web, (since it would
>require a very large amount of money to implement all the
>features mentioned above). The benefit with this proposal
>is that it would be clear that the campaign is about improving
>Web by listing user visible features and could by doing
>so make people more willing to donate.
>
>The basic principle is regardless to make people excited
>about a native web experience in GNOME.
>
>The the financial goal of the campaign would be something
>around k30$.
>
>I have made a document that summarizes the proposal [4]
>
>Are this something we want to do, thoughts/feedback are
>very much welcome.
>
>If there is no interest of doing a Web campaign either around
>WebKit2 or a more general one I think its time for other members
>in the marketing team to step-up present/be more concrete about
>their proposals, as it will soon have been a full year since the
>a11y campaign was launched.
>

Hi Oliver,


My main concern about your proposal is that I think that a list of features is 
not very consistent for a FoG campaign without a clear message. Taking into 
account that Web is not a very popular application by now, most people don't 
care. Don't get me wrong, I support Web, but a list of concrete technical 
features of an application not very popular by now doesn't attract too many 
people for a donation IMHO. 


I think that what we need to make a FoG campaign for WebKit2GTK+ is a super 
feature that makes the difference for GNOME, even better if you can use in 
several parts of the desktop. Maybe Tobias Mueller idea of Privacy and Security 
can be this super feature.

Just my two cents,

   -- Juanjo Marin



>1. https://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/Roadmap/3.8
>2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2VALT-DMGU&feature=plcp
>3. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-December/msg00030.html
>4. 
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/19V52k7L75MII6lcuxQtp-9uQxvxckdUIWUis4jXVp8k/edit#
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Re: community managers

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:

>
> Hi Sri,
>
>
> On 11/13/2012 12:17 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>
>> But I am looking for some good people who can fill the role of community
>> manager.  Clearly, we have a problem relating to our user base and some
>> of the decisions have become more controversial than it needs to be.
>>
>
> Just for the sake of clarity, it sounds like you're suggesting an unpaid
> volunteer position to co-ordinate the promotion, website maintenance and
> "welcome committee" for the GNOME project. Is that correct?
>
>
Not really.  I'm suggesting an unpaid volunteer position to talk to users
on various forums like lwn.net, slashdot, reddit, google+ and so forth.

There are common themes and complaints  that seem to come up over and over
again and I would like volunteers to at least filter these complaints
legitimate or otherwise.

As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because
everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived
actions.  For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME
project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and
sustainability.

The constant negativity can cost us users and we need to take that
seriously.  In the past, we could ignore it because it was the default
desktop of Ubuntu which has fairly large marketshare.  But now it's a
little harder and we need to strengthen our brand or risk weakening it.  We
do not have data either way, so we should be paranoid all the same.



> I like the idea of having some people who give more time to marketing and
> the other tasks. Not sure it would be called a community manager in the
> context of GNOME, and certainly I don't think that a GNOME community
> manager would be quite so invested with authority as Dawn Foster was for
> MeeGo and Tizen, for example.
>
>
It's a little different than Meego and Tizen.  There is definitely some
authority.  But that doesn't mean we can't have something similar.  After
all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince
maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application.

We can apply a similar structure but between release team, design and
community manager team.

It won't be easy, culturally like every other open source project we like
to do what we want as we see fit.  Nothing wrong with that, but as the
project gets larger we do need to make sure that we are listening to
community concerns and avoid needless conflicts.

Release team and designers of course will be free to accept or not accept
what we hear.  But at least there will be able to get a sanitized feedback
rather than what we have today which is designing within a bubble without
any idea how things are being perceived in the general community.



>
>  Let me know if you are interested.  I will make a similar note on
>> foundation list.
>>
>
> Perhaps this kind of marketing role is something which could be fulfilled
> by the GNOME Foundation? We've paid for interns before, but a longer term
> full-time position under the ED would allow for us to structure our
> efforts, take care of all those "no-one is giving it time and love" stuff
> we all agree needs to get done... it is "only" a question of money, I think.
>
>
We can do interns, but I have had a number of people already interested in
doing what I'm envisioning.  It's no different than what they are already
doing today but they have the power at their descretion to use the royal
"we" as opposed to "I".  (which I sometimes I use for particular people who
I am interested in hearig feedback from)


> I don't know if we'll have success finding one individual to take on all
> that responsibility as a part-time unpaid volunteer. Perhaps a group
> working together could do it... Or a paid individual.
>
>
I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers.  10 volunteers who start out as
community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other
things within the project.

I currently have four as of right now.  Need to recruit six more!

sri

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Re: community managers

[Dave Neary]

Hi Sri,

On 11/13/2012 12:17 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

But I am looking for some good people who can fill the role of community
manager.  Clearly, we have a problem relating to our user base and some
of the decisions have become more controversial than it needs to be.


Just for the sake of clarity, it sounds like you're suggesting an unpaid 
volunteer position to co-ordinate the promotion, website maintenance and 
"welcome committee" for the GNOME project. Is that correct?


I like the idea of having some people who give more time to marketing 
and the other tasks. Not sure it would be called a community manager in 
the context of GNOME, and certainly I don't think that a GNOME community 
manager would be quite so invested with authority as Dawn Foster was for 
MeeGo and Tizen, for example.



Let me know if you are interested.  I will make a similar note on
foundation list.


Perhaps this kind of marketing role is something which could be 
fulfilled by the GNOME Foundation? We've paid for interns before, but a 
longer term full-time position under the ED would allow for us to 
structure our efforts, take care of all those "no-one is giving it time 
and love" stuff we all agree needs to get done... it is "only" a 
question of money, I think.


I don't know if we'll have success finding one individual to take on all 
that responsibility as a part-time unpaid volunteer. Perhaps a group 
working together could do it... Or a paid individual.


Cheers,
Dave.

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