Re: FSF, terminology, and marketing
Hi Brian; There was a big discussion about GNU/Linux terminology usage in documentation years ago. Here is the starting thread about that discussion: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2006-July/msg00200.html I didn't re-read whole discussion but I remember there wasn't any terminology enforcement done by GNOME Doc Team about this. I've also checked some marketing materials. GNOME 2.26 Release notes does not have any mention of term Linux, and in Quarterly Report only places where Linux is used are either Trademarks or valid usage of Linux as an operating system. And at homepage of gnome.org we already use GNU/Linux. In my honest opinion, as GNOME, our relationship with Linux is similar to our relationship with BSD or Solaris kernels. If we won't call GNU/Solaris, calling GNU/Linux everywhere wouldn't be a consistent approach. Regards, Baris. On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 17:07 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Marketing Team: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) encourages the usage of the term GNU/Linux instead of the term Linux, and also discourages referring to free software and licenses as open source. Their argument, which I think is valid, is that doing so helps to highlight free software and bring positive attention towards the free software community. A few people have recently complained to the board that the GNOME community sometimes does not always follow these recommendations. I imagine that some of these issues are caused by people just not being thoughtful about the terminology that they use, but I also do not believe that the GNOME community has an official stance on what language we should be using. At any rate, we should probably be consistent with the language we use in more official GNOME Foundation communications. So, I think it is good to discuss and find out what the overall GNOME community thinks about this before making any sort of decision or encouraging people to use one term or another. On one hand, since we are a GNU project and since one of the long-standing objectives of the GNOME community has been to promote free software, there is a good argument for following these recommendations and making it a more official policy that we try to use the terminology recommended by the FSF. On the other hand, I know that some people in our community feel that it makes more sense to use the terms Linux and open source since they have more traction in the business world, and are more familiar. We often have trouble explaining what GNOME is to people, and it perhaps makes it harder when we use terms that are unfamiliar or that do not have traction. So, there may be situations or types of communication where going against the FSF recommendations makes sense. However, if we feel that we should go against the recommendations of the FSF, we probably should have some solid reasoning for doing so. Also, I think the GNOME Foundation needs to be sensitive to those partners with which we have close working relationships. For example, we need to be sensitive to what opinions those on the advisory board might have to say about the terminology we use. So, I have suggested to Stormy that we raise this topic at an upcoming advisory board meeting and find out what they think about this. Whether or not they care would likely be an important input to consider in making any decision. Perhaps it makes sense to use different terms when talking to different audiences. Perhaps we should make more of an effort to use the terms recommended by the FSF when communicating with some audiences, and use other terms in other situations. If so, perhaps we need to think about when it makes sense to use which terms and make this more clear so people have some guidance about what terms to use and when. So, I am interested to hear what the GNOME marketing community thinks about this. Since many of the documents where we use these terms are in public-facing documents such as marketing materials, PR, press releases, etc. I think whatever terms we use should be something that the marketing team thinks about and has input on any decisions made. Thoughts? Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Software Freedom Day
Hi; Why don't we have a marketing agenda somewhere on the wiki? I know we have some cluttered places on live.gnome.org where mentions upcoming organizations etc. but they are mostly community centric and not updated regularly. An official list of events that marketing people should focus on would be nice thing to have. With something on live missing such events can be prevented, besides people can suggest events for this agenda/calendar. Regards, Baris Cicek On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 19:09 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Thilo Pfennig wrote: Andreas Nilsson schrieb: I can put a banner or something up on the website pretty much right away if you want to. I dont have a say. I'm not sure who does have a say actually. I just put things there, and noone have beaten me up yet. :) Too bad you didn't mention it on the mailing list a bit earlier though. I actually did: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/29/98 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2008-August/msg00025.html Crap, I totally missed that. I'm terribly, terribly sorry. I guess it's a bit late to put something up now. Should we try again next year? (and be better prepared hopefully.) Again, sorry that I missed this. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Sponsorship
On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 20:28 -0500, Sara Khalatbari wrote: It did? I did not know that. Though it said: Maemo provides an open source development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets and other Linux-based devices. I didn't know Nokia is sponsoring the event since their logo did not appear on the 07 Sponsor's list. Maemo is actually Nokia. It's a marketing issue, I don't think that Nokia would like to sponsor GUADEC with two separate brands. Sara On Dec 27, 2007 7:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sara Khalatbari wrote: As you might already realized that's previous year's sponsorship brochure. I'll update it for GUADEC 2008, and mail to previous year's sponsors. Hi Baris It is a good idea to mail it also to companies like Nokia who did sponsor Guadec 06 but did not sponsor Guadec 07 get them back in the gnome sponsorship cycle. Hi Sara! Didn't Nokia sponsor GNOME via Maemo for Guadec 2007? - Andreas Sara Even though, sponsorship conditions are subject to change, it's very likely that they will stay same with currency correction. (in Euros instead of English Sterling) Regards, Baris Cicek -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Sponsorship
Hi Emily; As you might already realized that's previous year's sponsorship brochure. I'll update it for GUADEC 2008, and mail to previous year's sponsors. Even though, sponsorship conditions are subject to change, it's very likely that they will stay same with currency correction. (in Euros instead of English Sterling) Regards, Baris Cicek On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 15:45 +0800, Emily Chen wrote: Thanks a lot, that's exactly what I want. -Emily Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emily Chen wrote: Anyone know the definition set of different levels of sponsors for GUADEC? Where can I find some related documents ? For example, How much they need to pay if they want to be a golden/silver sponsors. What kind of things a golden/silver sponsor can do? http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2007/SponsorsBrochure?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=GUADEC-Sponsor-Brochure-Blue-5.pdf perhaps ? Don't know if this is the final though - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHQmmSXQZpNTcrCzMRAsWBAJ9/71CTxJZrADVzFMnnwxP9CUVa3ACfSeAx awhMWbWYetFo8M5Cq/wgWeY= =tqmB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME Screenshot Idea
Inspired from Dave's latest blog post about it's important to be free, not only being feature perfect of FX, an idea poped up into my mind, but my artistic skills (if any) don't let me to do it. Therefore I thought some gfx artist might be interested in it, so I wanted to share it in here. Think about a regular GNOME desktop composed of text (sources) with a slogan like It's open enough.. There used to be famous penguin imaged created by linux kernel sources with ascii I remember. Maybe we can create such an image as well. There must be some tools to do this with ascii but it is not needed to be an ascii. Would it be possible to fit most of the panel sources in panel area, and other GNOME sources into desktop by using very small font sizes? I know this is not very bright idea but it would be at least a good meme to put open source, which is actually not equivalent to free software but still something, into a visual perspective. Sharing it in here so that some artist having insomnia to find something to in their spare time. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2.16 slogan and banner
On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 15:57 +0200, PingunZ wrote: As apps, just make sure you include Evolution since it has really been updated. Some other apps like firefox, gaim, gedit, console,.. Firefox and gaim are not part for GNOME desktop and also project even though vast majority of distributions install them as default IM client and Web browser. For web browsing epiphany must be the best application to be advertised. Slogan and banner should express the general improvements on GNOME desktop at whole. Different applications should be mentioned in Release Notes, as we did in previous releases. 2006/8/26, Panos Laganakos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It looks too regular for being a cutting edge release. An even/higher number of icons will probably provide a more dynamic feeling. As for the icons we'll use. As other guys mentioned earlier, should we use Gnome icons or Tango icons? At least for the ones each share, like folders etc. Also should we decide on a list of apps we'll want to include? I chose those ones, but should we only focus on new stuff added or point out the default stuff? -- Panos Laganakos -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Latest Logo
There is a concern about the font used in the GNOME Logo. It's Trebuchet MS and it's a non-free font. That might even cause some licensing problems. I remember that people passed their concerns to Dave or Board. I don't know the outcome of this discussion, but what I know is non-free font is still being used. On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 08:47 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo structure
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 01:51 -0600, Gezim Hoxha wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-08 at 11:19 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote: snip My draft is just that, a draft, and only part of one at that. I'm trying to think in terms of paths through the site. My scenarios are these: * new to GNOME: about, why choose, tour, screenshots I'm not sure six pack Joe knows what screenshots are. In the OSS world (mostly) we are spoilt with screenshots and personally I usually won't try a product before I see a screenshot of it. So, maybe we could call it Photos or Pictures since screenshots are, well, shots of the screen. What about also Views or Showcase? -Gezim * new users: tour, link to library, link to support forum * general users: resources for gnome: links to: art themes, more software, support, etc * potential developers: not sure about this one * current developers: or this one ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: CEBIT Expo 2006 GNOME Booth
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 15:29 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: Hi Murray; There's a possibility that we might have a GNOME Booth at CEBIT Eurasia, and we might need GNOME Event Box for that event. Expo is 5 days long, and it's possible that we will there for 5 days. Expo starts at 5th of September, and people will start setting their stands starting at 2nd of September. Can you please tell me the availability of GNOME Event Box for that event? If you can ship one to Turkey, can you please tell me the average cost and customs information about shipment from Germany to Turkey (if possible)? Baris, yes the event box seems to be available for that time. But I doubt that we would be able to ship it to Turkey easily. We would probably have delays and costs at the border. It generally does not cost astronomic amounts. And you generally get items from customs easily (if you list the ingredients completely). (I had shipments from different countries of Europe before). Is it possible to ask for UPS, or DHL about such a delivery? Forgetting about hardware, do you have some booth material handy to ship to us? Like GNOME Poster, lanyards, t-shirt etc? Shipping them might not cause any customs problem. Feel free to CC marketing-list. Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME Turkey Booth at CEBIT Eurasia 2006
Hi; As GNOME Turkey, we want to set up a booth at CEBIT Eurasia, which is the biggest IT fair in Turkey. It will be held at September 5th to 10th. It has up to 160.000 visitors for 5 days. And has media coverage everywhere. However since this fair is mostly commercial you have to pay for setting up booth. I'm not quite sure about other Expos but for this one it's like $190/m2 and minimum 4 m2 area is necessary. This amount is higher than we can cover. Also we might need GNOE We tried to find some sponsors. We contacted with Nokia Turkey. Since they have booth in Cebit (one of the biggest booths there) they might arrange us a place, and we might show 770 on that stand as well. This conversation hasn't finished yet, but they told us, Turkey office do not sponsor events, and we might contact to Europe office or something. What I'm really wondering, (since time is getting closer) can we find some contacts for Nokia to sponsor for getting a booth place in Cebit Eurasia Turkey? Or any other company that can cover expences costs $750~. I'm not quite sure what we can give in return, but putting their logo, and expressing their support to Open Source might get them interested. Can someone guide me in this process? Do you think it's worth setting booth in this Expo? What I know is every IT related people visit that fair in Turkey and I believe it would be a great chance for us to advertise and find supporters for GNOME. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo revamp timeline (proposal)
Another issue that we have to double check for any ready CMS system is the security. I'm not stating that Drupal is insecure or have such a bad history. But we have to bear in mind that any common CMS or Wiki application might have some security problems in future which might be problem for us as script kiddies would easily exploit the system. For that reason, we have to check the sources, and if necessary make some GNOME specific changes in all input/login processes. This way we might prevent some security problems to affect wgo/go before Drupal (or any CMS application chosen) team releases patch for them. I can put my work force after choosing CMS system to see if it's secure enough, and will try to make necessary fixes as much as my skills allow. On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 00:58 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 12:25 -0300, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: However, I've already seen and faced all kinds of problems with drupal, from security to upgradability issues Could you be more specific about these problems? The ones I remember were not caused directly by Drupal but by a) lack of sysadmin resources or skills within the members of the GUADEC team with the permissions needed. b) GNOME permission policies having to satisfy the security of several tools, services, priorities and servers. c) outdated versions of several packages affecting the functioning of Drupal. d) lack of coordination between the GUADEC team and the Sysadmin team. We also tried an upgrade of a production site when Drupal 4.7 was still beta and without testing first on a development server. It didn't work: our fault. I bet now that 4.7 is more than stable the upgrade would be a child's game. I might be missing problems, please detail those that were caused by the Drupal code, not by we humans. , which IMHO do not make it the best option to set the infrastructure of a website we want to keep around for long on. Not having names for better alternatives doesn't help, as Jeff has pointed. :) You opinion as GNOME sysadmin is very important. Please make a list of requirements the tool(s) to be used should match and we will make sure the CMS(s) selected accomplish them. And I did not make it clearer because I've already exposed this concern to qgil in the process of setting up drupal for guadec.org. As said, I don't think the problems were caused by Drupal but about the GNOME/GUADEC human context and the server infrastructure. However, many have pointed that one of the keys of the GUADEC 2006 success was the website. With all the problems we have got, the result seems to be much more satisfactory than the results obtained with the current wgo platform. About Drupal vs MediaWiki vs etc, there is not much point discussing tools before agreeing requirements. By July 17th Greg Nagy needs to come up with a list of requirements for the wgo platform (CMS). Help him with the requirements if you want to help selecting the most appropriate tool(s). If you can't stop discussing the CMS to be chosen anyways, don't forget that after long debates Drupal is still the fittest candidate. If you think Tool X is better please explain why, the more detailed your comments are the most useful they will be. About i18n, there was a long discussion in gnome-web-list that got into quite detailed aspects back in December05-February06 (i.e. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2006-January/msg00030.html ). John Hwang (aka tavon) is in charge of pushing the i18n policies draft by August 9th. If you want to get i18n right in wgo please help him summarizing what has been discussed and getting a good list of requirements. We don't have much time to discuss. If you want to help effectively it is recommended to a) concentrate your contributions in one topic until it is solved and b) try not to repeat discussions already held in the past if you don't bring new ingredients. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
