Re: GNOME : Get involved

2006-11-16 Thread Djihed Afifi
Original email, it was sent privatly by mistake before response. I'm not
sure why evolution stripped away the ml address when replying.

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 11:44 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote:
> I still wonder why
> we need an external site to promote GNOME. To me it is
> a symptom of a
> GNOME and gnome.org failure. The wgo revamp tries to
> solve failures like
> this, and I don't see what GNOME marketing
> spreadgnome.org could do that
> gnome.org can't do. 

I think it's basically the name + the content + fans. The name gives a
strong indication about what the site does. Fans, especially those who
are not involved in the day to day development of gnome will be more
drawn into a site where they feel it's actually about what they do:
promote what they love, but not what they don't understand: development
etc. Not sure if what I wanted to say got through :)

keep in mind that "fan sites" are nothing new in the business world nor
in the OSS world. eg http://www.walmartfoundation.org and 
the success of spreadfirefox, which should give us some lessons.

Djihed


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Re: GNOME : Get involved

2006-11-16 Thread Joachim Noreiko

--- Djihed Afifi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 11:44 +, Joachim Noreiko
> wrote:
> > I still wonder why
> > we need an external site to promote GNOME. To me
> it is
> > a symptom of a
> > GNOME and gnome.org failure. The wgo revamp tries
> to
> > solve failures like
> > this, and I don't see what GNOME marketing
> > spreadgnome.org could do that
> > gnome.org can't do. 
> 
> I think it's basically the name + the content +
> fans. The name gives a
> strong indication about what the site does. Fans,
> especially those who
> are not involved in the day to day development of
> gnome will be more
> drawn into a site where they feel it's actually
> about what they do:
> promote what they love, but not what they don't
> understand: development
> etc. Not sure if what I wanted to say got through :)

(re-ccing the list)

Right. 
Then let's make WGO's 'Get Involved' section speak to
fans, not just developers.
There's no reason why WGO can't address the needs you
describe, and in fact I think it *should*. WGO should
be everybody who has any sort of connection to gnome.

PS. Could someone check whether our list of use cases
has "I'm a fanboy and I want to promote GNOME
tirelessly" on it?

PPS. The wiki is being really slow lately. 



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Re: GNOME : Get involved

2006-11-16 Thread Joachim Noreiko

--- Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Catching up late in the game is sometimes
> unsettling. So here I was
> trying to grasp the spread of the tasks and FIXMEs
> and ToDo when I
> chanced upon this subtask:
> 
> Spread GNOME -- is this an existing endeavour or
> something we're
> starting? Ask the Marketing team
> 
> in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WgoGetInvolved and
> I was stuck.
> 
> - From a read of the archives and some more reading
> (there is more to read
> that I can ever complete) on the l.g.o it seems (to
> me at least) that
> the Spread GNOME is an existing effort. So what is
> the current scope of
> this effort:
> 
> o LUGs
> o Corporates
> o Banners
> o Stickers
> o Logo placements

Good question!

Prompted by your email, I've typed "spread gnome" into
google, and found this:
http://www.spreadgnome.org/

... which claims to be "restructuring".

Look at blog posts and this list's archive, the site
was launch in August of this year.
I don't remember if the site ever had any content, but
it certainly doesn't now.

I rather agree with what Quim said at the time:
--
I still wonder why
we need an external site to promote GNOME. To me it is
a symptom of a
GNOME and gnome.org failure. The wgo revamp tries to
solve failures like
this, and I don't see what GNOME marketing
spreadgnome.org could do that
gnome.org can't do.
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-August/msg00225.html


So basically:

Let's plan a "spread gnome" page in our section, that
stands on its own. 
See what that does. 
Then think about whether we want to expand it to a
whole site.

That basically means it's up to us what we suggest
people can do to help market gnome: as you say, LUGs,
corporates, public organizations etc.

One thing we'll have to remember is to ask the guy who
owns http://www.spreadgnome.org/ to change his links
once WGO is up.

PS. Does anyone feel like updating the image we have
on http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam, or doing a new
one?
I don't want to offend whoever's hard work that is,
but it looks like the guy's being screamed at...





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GNOME : Get involved

2006-11-15 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Hi,

Catching up late in the game is sometimes unsettling. So here I was
trying to grasp the spread of the tasks and FIXMEs and ToDo when I
chanced upon this subtask:

Spread GNOME -- is this an existing endeavour or something we're
starting? Ask the Marketing team

in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WgoGetInvolved and I was stuck.

- From a read of the archives and some more reading (there is more to read
that I can ever complete) on the l.g.o it seems (to me at least) that
the Spread GNOME is an existing effort. So what is the current scope of
this effort:

o LUGs
o Corporates
o Banners
o Stickers
o Logo placements

What would be considered to be a great momentum forward to go out and
spread GNOME ?

:SM

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