Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 21:18 -0600, Gezim Hoxha wrote: Why are the two links that should[?] point to the same thing? The Get Involved block came before the draft of a wgo primary nav bar with a Contribute link. This block is the weakest in the homepage right column and it might drop if the column gets too stuffed. I'm not sure though if, in general, it's wrong to have promos pointing to pages linked from the nav bar. A promo is a promo, you can play there with graphics, slogans, other functionality... Let's keep both by now and see how it looks like. On another note, if we look at the Webpersonas wikipage[1], we'll see that out of 5 personas, 3 have zero, 1 has low to medium, and 1 has medium free software awareness. Is the layout designed in a way to serve these people best?[2] We are doing everything thinking primarily in our primary audience, defined at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/UseCases#head-f5818f5557175b3c85695eae3325131566b11c98 Good that you mention Web Personas. I was waiting a good moment to request the personas fans to start making them work for our website. The five personas listed at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPersonas need an updated, they were proposed a long time ago before any other reference. Now only 2 of the 5 personas could be considered primary targets, belonging to 2 of the 5 user types we are targeting. We can start testing the wgo plans against the current 5 personas, but we need a better representation. Gezim, would you like to help as Personas' Advocate? -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://pinguino.tv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
--- LeeTambiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The breadcrumb component has been dropped, and pages have been updated have been updated. I have added a new version of the secondary page layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.3.svg. Download the .svg from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure. I still prefer the secondary links on the right. Having it on top gives the header too many horizontal lines and makes it heavy. Also, you get the impression that the header has changed from the home page, which isn't good. Yahoo! Photos is now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
On Mon, 2006-18-09 at 09:57 +0200, Quim Gil wrote: On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 21:18 -0600, Gezim Hoxha wrote: On another note, if we look at the Webpersonas wikipage[1], we'll see that out of 5 personas, 3 have zero, 1 has low to medium, and 1 has medium free software awareness. Is the layout designed in a way to serve these people best?[2] We are doing everything thinking primarily in our primary audience, defined at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/UseCases#head-f5818f5557175b3c85695eae3325131566b11c98 Good that you mention Web Personas. I was waiting a good moment to request the personas fans to start making them work for our website. The five personas listed at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPersonas need an updated, they were proposed a long time ago before any other reference. Now only 2 of the 5 personas could be considered primary targets, belonging to 2 of the 5 user types we are targeting. We can start testing the wgo plans against the current 5 personas, but we need a better representation. Gezim, would you like to help as Personas' Advocate? Yes, I'd like to do that. By Wednesday, I'll have the personas updated and we'll go from there. If anyone else wants to help, the personas descriptions should be modelled after the ones in The Glasswall document by BBC [1]. In fact, I think that's a great document and everyone involved in wgo revamp should read it. -Gezim [1] http://homepage.mac.com/eyedropper/docs/glasswall.pdf -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
Joachim Noreiko wrote: --- LeeTambiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The breadcrumb component has been dropped, and pages have been updated have been updated. I have added a new version of the secondary page layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.3.svg. Download the .svg from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure. I still prefer the secondary links on the right. Having it on top gives the header too many horizontal lines and makes it heavy. Also, you get the impression that the header has changed from the home page, which isn't good. I did think this too, but have come to like the idea, lets give the secondary menu bar as a horizontal component a shot. See http://www.apple.com/ and look at the menu bar at the top. Vision the Top row as the Primary Bar, and the bar below as the secondary bar. It will work better I think ;-). Regards L. Tambiah -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
Joachim, too many, heavy or impression are relative aspects that might vary substantially depending on the final look. In http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00134.html there are examples of Apple, YouTube, Yahoo! and CNN working with 3 horizontal bars. The formula itself is not bad, although I agree it can be misused (just like any other navigation combination). What if we wait to have a consolidated lookfeel. Then we can see if the 3 horizontal is convincing, and if not we can produce a 2h+1v mockup and see if it works better. On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 10:05 +0100, Joachim Noreiko wrote: I still prefer the secondary links on the right. Having it on top gives the header too many horizontal lines and makes it heavy. Also, you get the impression that the header has changed from the home page, which isn't good. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://pinguino.tv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 12:56 +0100, LeeTambiah wrote: The Gnome Web Page Structure http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure currently has two versions, layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.1.svg and layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.2.svg. Could we please clarify as to what version we want to go with. 0.2 is better. Quim, there has been some concern over the having the related links block on the right had column, how do you feel about this? (see layoutPlan0.2.svg). Do we need it even? Definitely. wgo is a gateway to other GNOME subsites, we will be offering links frequently. These links need to be nicely featured and perhaps sometimes introduced, to avoid confusion jumping from a wgo page to a live.go page, the bugzilla.go home, documentation in library.go and so on. Something to be still concerned is the body text. We don't want long lines difficult to read. Is the body going to have a fixed max width? In any case I would make the right column wide since we don't need so much body width, and we can also play in the column with with promos etc. Also, your template shows the body component aligned to the left. Is this what you suggest? I mean, will be the body aligned to the left or centered if I open the page in a wide screen? Lets dump the bread crumb component I'm happy to do so, it does not fit on with our theme ;-). Agreed. We will recover if we need it. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://pinguino.tv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
The breadcrumb component has been dropped, and pages have been updated have been updated. I have added a new version of the secondary page layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.3.svg. Download the .svg from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure. The layout plan may address the text concerns of large paragraphs of text, mentioned by Claus and Quim. Hackergotchis? We need to decide on how this is going to look and be implemented having just faces won't work. :-( Regards Lee -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LayoutPlan Clarification
On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 23:00 +0100, LeeTambiah wrote: The breadcrumb component has been dropped, and pages have been updated have been updated. I have added a new version of the secondary page layoutPlanSecondaryPage0.3.svg. Download the .svg from http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure. Forgive me for I have not been involved in this layout discussion. However, I noted that there is a Get Involved block on the right hand side (bottom), and also there is a Contribute link on the Primary Nav Bar. Why are the two links that should[?] point to the same thing? On another note, if we look at the Webpersonas wikipage[1], we'll see that out of 5 personas, 3 have zero, 1 has low to medium, and 1 has medium free software awareness. Is the layout designed in a way to serve these people best?[2] -Gezim [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPersonas [2] I'm not suggesting it's not. I'm just asking has this been thought through. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
