Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread LeeTambiah
Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 Using Lee's site structure wireframe mockup, I put together another 
 iteration of the WGO look  feel mockup:

 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel

 Below I'm going to highlight some issues and bring up some questions to 
 hopefully continue the discussion flowing! :) -

 * I included the Planet GNOME module thingy we've been talking about, 
 which doesn't include any subject lines or blog post text as we 
 discussed. What do you think about how this is shaping up visually? Do 
 you think it adds value to the front page without divulging blog post 
 subject lines or content? Does it serve as a good 'advertisement' or 
 upsell of planet.gnome.org?
   
It looks nice, I think its shaping up well!
 (Is this even what we're looking to do? Revisiting a post from Jeff [1], 
 should we be focusing more on feeds from various community websites than 
 focusing exclusively on personal feeds from PGO?)

 * Currently on WGO, we have a separate News column and a separate events 
 column. Do we want to consolidate news  events into one feed? Or just 
 have news in that column in the center, and advertise events via the 
 events banner on the right?
   
I think we add the feed where appropriate so another feed for the events
on right hand side would be fine.
 * I've been following the Tango palette for all the little filler 
 banners and everything else, and I think it works well so I'm going to 
 set that as a WGO look  feel guideline I think.
   
Tango must be the way to go as GNOME and other freedesktops will be
using
the themes. It can only give the site a better feel which relates to
its desktop.
 * What do you think about the overall look of the little icons? 
 (newspaper, globe with chat bubbles, mini chatbubble icons, globe icons) 
 Do they fit an overall style we wouldn't be opposed to running with?
   
Im not sure, but they look okay and appear to fit in well with other
components.
 * With the structure wireframe fleshed out a bit, is there a need to 
 revisit some of the layout decisions that have been made now you can see 
 what it'd look like with filler content?
   
My only niggle is you have left out the decorative strip under the
General Navigation Bar.
Also I think the primary Bar should be like tabs, like the Apple
Site. The GNOME logo shouldcover the General Bar and Primary Bar
as the mockup suggests. The General NAv bar also needs to be less in
height see Guadec. But in all I think we are getting there. If you do
want any changes to the mockups on the layout page let me know and I
will gladly change them to suit.
 * Panos, you had mentioned [2] not quite liking the design of the top 
 bars - if you have some spare time to sketch out any ideas you have, I'd 
 love to incorporate them! :)

 [1] 
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00089.html

 [2] 
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00098.html
   

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Andreas Nilsson
Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 Using Lee's site structure wireframe mockup, I put together another 
 iteration of the WGO look  feel mockup:

 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel


   
Snip.
 * I've been following the Tango palette for all the little filler 
 banners and everything else, and I think it works well so I'm going to 
 set that as a WGO look  feel guideline I think.

 * What do you think about the overall look of the little icons? 
 (newspaper, globe with chat bubbles, mini chatbubble icons, globe icons) 
 Do they fit an overall style we wouldn't be opposed to running with?
   
Hi Máirín!
I really like where this is heading.
Fixed up the globe a tiny bit following the style guidelines better (and 
using the g-i-t globe).
http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/globe-with-bubbles2.png
http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/globe-with-bubbles2.svg
I'll dig into some of the other illustrations and hopefully we can work 
out something cool.
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Joachim Noreiko

--- Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 
 Using Lee's site structure wireframe mockup, I put
 together another 
 iteration of the WGO look  feel mockup:
 
 http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel
 
 Below I'm going to highlight some issues and bring
 up some questions to 
 hopefully continue the discussion flowing! :) -

snip

 * Panos, you had mentioned [2] not quite liking the
 design of the top 
 bars - if you have some spare time to sketch out any
 ideas you have, I'd 
 love to incorporate them! :)

I thought we were going to use the guadec-style
general navbar?

I like the rounded and separated look, but I also
thought we were going with the dotted-line snapped
look of your earlier mockup.





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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi Joachim,

Joachim Noreiko wrote:
 --- Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

 * Panos, you had mentioned [2] not quite liking the
 design of the top 
 bars - if you have some spare time to sketch out any
 ideas you have, I'd 
 love to incorporate them! :)
 
 I thought we were going to use the guadec-style
 general navbar?

Yep, I noticed that discussion on the LookFeel wiki page after I 
uploaded everything so I'll add that next iteration (I added a comment 
there [1]). :)

 I like the rounded and separated look, but I also
 thought we were going with the dotted-line snapped
 look of your earlier mockup.

I didn't know that we had settled on that yet, but I can make a version 
adding it back using the new layout too to see how it works. :)

~m

[1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel
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WGO Revamp: Look and feel

2006-09-20 Thread LeeTambiah
The Primary bar needs to look like tabs see two sites for examples:-

http://www.apple.com/

http://www.mysql.com/

Regards

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
Andreas Nilsson wrote:
 Fixed up the globe a tiny bit following the style guidelines better (and 
 using the g-i-t globe).
 http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/globe-with-bubbles2.png
 http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/globe-with-bubbles2.svg

Sweet, these look great - much better at my feeble attempt, lol.

 I'll dig into some of the other illustrations and hopefully we can work 
 out something cool.

Awesome! Thanks Andreas!

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and feel

2006-09-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
LeeTambiah wrote:
  the General Nav Bar which contains the links
 NewsProjectsArtSupportDevelopmentCommunity should be guadec style.
 
 The Primary bar with ProductsSuccess Stories Getting Started etc
 should have a tabular feel like the Apple and mysql site.

Ah! Ok, gotcha now. :) Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Quim Gil
Excellent work, Máirín!

My general comment is that we need to distinguish better between promos
and infos. Slogan block, Featured product and Upcoming events are infos.
Perhaps rounded corners for promos and white backgrounds for infos? 

I also think that we can save a lot of links  words in the info blocks.

Both measures would help focusing the user attention. Currently it looks
great, but a bit too flashy in every corner so it's not easy to decide
where to go next.

Also, is this going to work in 800x600?

Going into details...

On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 01:22 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

 * I included the Planet GNOME module thingy we've been talking about, 
 which doesn't include any subject lines or blog post text as we 
 discussed. What do you think about how this is shaping up visually?

What about puting 6 faces instead of 3 in the same space, using 2
columns? Each entry would have only hackergotchi an id and the tiny
bubble (location also would be cool, but this needs an extra hack to the
Planet).

At the bottom See all + 3 bubbles icon is perhaps enough. I wonder if
we should have the RSS feed here. Can't is generate conflict with the
News feed for subscriptions via web browser? Besides, I wonder who is
going to aggregate the feed from there before visiting the Planet
itself.

About the title what about Talks in Planet GNOME or something saying
explicitly Planet GNOME. 


 (Is this even what we're looking to do? Revisiting a post from Jeff [1], 
 should we be focusing more on feeds from various community websites than 
 focusing exclusively on personal feeds from PGO?)

This is what the GNOME News block should do. Instead of showing just one
news piece with summary it would be better to have the 3 last entries
with project logo, title and date. The RSS icon could go at the bottom
and we will see what other links are we putting next to it.


 * Currently on WGO, we have a separate News column and a separate events 
 column. Do we want to consolidate news  events into one feed? Or just 
 have news in that column in the center, and advertise events via the 
 events banner on the right?

Events go apart. They are not only GNOME events like GUADEC and Boston
summit, they are also events with GNOME presence. It would have also a
info appearance like the News and Planet blocks  and it could even be
aligned at the top with these other 2 blocks. It would contain the last
entries: logo, name and date - including perhaps a very shoot
description i.e. Visit the GNOME stand, Attend our speaks or
something like that (unsure about this).


 * What do you think about the overall look of the little icons? 
 (newspaper, globe with chat bubbles, mini chatbubble icons, globe icons) 
 Do they fit an overall style we wouldn't be opposed to running with?

In general I think it is good that we showcase already created icons
belonging to the desktop, when they accomplish a similar function in the
web. Like using the Tango palette, it is a way to give users an indirect
hint of what is the desktop about, and GNOME users would feel more like
at /home.

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to show all these feet in the primary nav bar.
We are used to see GNOME feed all around but how would it look like to
new users? 


More comments:

- Navigation. The General nav should be like guadec.org, only taking out
the [foot] GNOMRE in the left, since we are having a big GNOME logo
coming from the primary nav bar and overlapping the General nav. Since
we are playing with gray in the General bar we will need to find another
color more prominent for the primary bar. I guess we will need to play
with secondary pages in order to get the perfect primary bar, since it
needs to play well together with the secondary. 

- Search. What about placing a standard Search button on the right of
the field instead of the Search gnome.org text?

- Can you add English to the choose language dropdown menu? It will be
clearer.

- GNOME slogan, we were thinking of combining in a block a slogan and a
screenshot of a GNOME desktop, so people having no idea of whbat GNOME
is could get a visual hint with that block linking to the About page. We
don't have as much space as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME for the
thumbnail but still I think it's with to give it a try to show that what
we make has to do with a computer desktop.

- Featured product should be an info block with title, short description
and logo. Think that this block would be taking the content from a
database, needs to have a template.

- Banner area. It is ok by now to play with just one big banner but in
some iteration we will need to see how that area works with 2 or more.
If we find effective ways to do so we can perhaps save the banner of
choice in the right column.

Well, enough comments for this iteration. Congratulations for your work.

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread LeeTambiah
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Quim Gil wrote:
 Excellent work, Máirín!

 My general comment is that we need to distinguish better between promos
 and infos. Slogan block, Featured product and Upcoming events are infos.
 Perhaps rounded corners for promos and white backgrounds for infos?

 I also think that we can save a lot of links  words in the info blocks.

 Both measures would help focusing the user attention. Currently it looks
 great, but a bit too flashy in every corner so it's not easy to decide
 where to go next.

 Also, is this going to work in 800x600?

I looked into this briefly, the splash image is 744 pixels in
width, and basically gives you 100 pixels for the blocks in the right
hand column. This isn't enough space! The splash image should be
reduced to 600 pixels widths so we have 200pixels to play with
including spacing. Viewing the site at a 800x600 resolution would mean
the content that is centre aligned would get positioned to the left.

Again see the Apple site and reduce your browser size and watch how it
compensates, this is how ours should work.

Lee

P.S I see the plan coming together, we are getting there! What a great
process we have too...
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Andreas Nilsson
Quim Gil wrote:
 - Search. What about placing a standard Search button on the right of
 the field instead of the Search gnome.org text?
   
If we're running short on horisontal space (as Lee mentioned) perhaps 
something similar to the searchbox on art.gnome.org could be used.
I think it's just a couple of lines of javascript.
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-20 Thread Joachim Noreiko

--- Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not sure if it's appropriate to show all these
 feet in the primary nav bar.
 We are used to see GNOME feed all around but how
 would it look like to
 new users? 

I was thinking the same, it's a bit too heavy having
the foot on each navbar item.



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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-19 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi everybody,

Using Lee's site structure wireframe mockup, I put together another 
iteration of the WGO look  feel mockup:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel

Below I'm going to highlight some issues and bring up some questions to 
hopefully continue the discussion flowing! :) -

* I included the Planet GNOME module thingy we've been talking about, 
which doesn't include any subject lines or blog post text as we 
discussed. What do you think about how this is shaping up visually? Do 
you think it adds value to the front page without divulging blog post 
subject lines or content? Does it serve as a good 'advertisement' or 
upsell of planet.gnome.org?

(Is this even what we're looking to do? Revisiting a post from Jeff [1], 
should we be focusing more on feeds from various community websites than 
focusing exclusively on personal feeds from PGO?)

* Currently on WGO, we have a separate News column and a separate events 
column. Do we want to consolidate news  events into one feed? Or just 
have news in that column in the center, and advertise events via the 
events banner on the right?

* I've been following the Tango palette for all the little filler 
banners and everything else, and I think it works well so I'm going to 
set that as a WGO look  feel guideline I think.

* What do you think about the overall look of the little icons? 
(newspaper, globe with chat bubbles, mini chatbubble icons, globe icons) 
Do they fit an overall style we wouldn't be opposed to running with?

* With the structure wireframe fleshed out a bit, is there a need to 
revisit some of the layout decisions that have been made now you can see 
what it'd look like with filler content?

* Panos, you had mentioned [2] not quite liking the design of the top 
bars - if you have some spare time to sketch out any ideas you have, I'd 
love to incorporate them! :)

[1] 
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00089.html

[2] 
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2006-September/msg00098.html
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-18 Thread Quim Gil
Going back to 

 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

I have extracted the purely lookfeel guidelines that can be deduced
from this mockup, from this point Máirín can refine and make additions
to be implemented in new mockups.

See the updated http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Andreas Nilsson
Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 So I have a quick mockup that I did a couple weeks ago that I just 
 uploaded to the wiki:

 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

 What I'm trying to explore more than looks/style right now is feel:

 * visual layout - how best to place banner, how and where to place 
 navigation
   
Hi Máirín!
Great work as usual!
Lee Tambiah had a idea about placing the small banners, where they would 
go into the right side of the page.
http://www.leetambiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/downloads/layoutPlanHome0.5.svg
Might be a good idea, as we could place as many/few eye-grabber as we 
feel like for the moment. That would allow us to not link to really old 
stuff when we're low on articles or be hindered by lack of space in case 
we have 4 campaigns running at the same time.
Hm, perhaps it's better to keep comments like this in the wiki...I'll 
put this one there later today.
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Panos Laganakos
 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

Mairin, that looks great. There's something I don't like about the top
bars though. From banners to bottom it looks really smooth.

Gotta run for now, but I'll try to think of something to actually
propose beside noting this :)


On 9/12/06, Andreas Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Máirín Duffy wrote:
  Hi everybody,
 
  So I have a quick mockup that I did a couple weeks ago that I just
  uploaded to the wiki:
 
  http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png
 
  What I'm trying to explore more than looks/style right now is feel:
 
  * visual layout - how best to place banner, how and where to place
  navigation
 
 Hi Máirín!
 Great work as usual!
 Lee Tambiah had a idea about placing the small banners, where they would
 go into the right side of the page.
 http://www.leetambiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/downloads/layoutPlanHome0.5.svg
 Might be a good idea, as we could place as many/few eye-grabber as we
 feel like for the moment. That would allow us to not link to really old
 stuff when we're low on articles or be hindered by lack of space in case
 we have 4 campaigns running at the same time.
 Hm, perhaps it's better to keep comments like this in the wiki...I'll
 put this one there later today.
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Máirín Duffy
Andreas Nilsson wrote:

 Lee Tambiah had a idea about placing the small banners, where they would 
 go into the right side of the page.
 http://www.leetambiah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/downloads/layoutPlanHome0.5.svg
 Might be a good idea, as we could place as many/few eye-grabber as we 
 feel like for the moment. That would allow us to not link to really old 
 stuff when we're low on articles or be hindered by lack of space in case 
 we have 4 campaigns running at the same time.

Ah okay cool! That's a good idea.

 Hm, perhaps it's better to keep comments like this in the wiki...I'll 
 put this one there later today.

Ahh, fwiw I find it easier to follow the list - after I sent my email 
last night I found a whole new maze of wiki notes. :-/

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread karderio
Hi :o)

That's the second person to say all we are missing is a theme (the
other off list)...

I hacked a theme up in July, and have been patiently nudging people
since to either put it up or tell me what is wrong with it...

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2006-July/msg4.html

Love, Karderio.


On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:57 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 quote who=karderio
 
  So, on the subject of pretty sites, is there any chance of anybody making
  live.g.o not ugly (Jeff?) ? I still feel it is rather important...
 
 We need a moin 1.5 compatible theme for it, that at least (for now) matches
 wgo. Further changes down the track will be simpler once we have a base to
 work on.


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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=karderio

 I hacked a theme up in July, and have been patiently nudging people
 since to either put it up or tell me what is wrong with it...
 
 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2006-July/msg4.html

Right - I'll take a look.

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 07:37 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

 Ahh, fwiw I find it easier to follow the list - after I sent my email 
 last night I found a whole new maze of wiki notes. :-/

Me understands, but... wasn't you who had lost track of marketing-list
emails as well?  ;) 

Tip: in your case for the LooknFeel is the other way round:  :)  You
have to follow only two wiki pages where you find the components planned
and their rough location in the screen. This saves you from getting lost
in the several discussions non affecting lookfeel in marketing-list.

If what you mean is that you prefer to receive emails every time
something new happens, I recommend you to subscribe to

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ComponentSelection
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure

And also to http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/LooknFeel so you know
instantly what people is writing there.

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Quim Gil
Hi again,

On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 23:43 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

I also like the general lookfeel. It looks like we can go ahead
defining this style.


 * visual layout - how best to place banner, how and where to place 
 navigation

A mature draft for the homepage structure is available at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/PageStructure - you have there all the
elements we want to have, plus their position in the page. It is you
choice to get more specific in sizes of each component and its relation
with the neighbors.


 * functionality - what functionality is planned for the site and how 
 will it appear to users?

We have a mature list of components at
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/ComponentSelection although in this
iteration we are not aiming to define the elements of any component
(i.e. has the New component a form to subscribe to email updates?). Feel
free to improvise with these elements stating clearly in your mockups
that this is not final design.


 * How happy are we with top-level navigation on the wiki [1]? Should I 
 go ahead and use the following headings in mockups:

Navigation is being discussed in
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/Navigation but we don't have a final
draft yet (waiting for the revision of the NewWgoStructure). Don't get
stuck with texts, you can even go through Lorem Ipsum so people don't
get confused with those non-final texts either.

About navigation, think that we agree on a neutral General nav bar on
the top top à la http://guadec.org that would be shared by all the GNOME
subsites. Then a wgo primary nav bar underneath that can be more flashy.
The GNOME logo (bigger than the current at wgo) would be based in the
wgo bar but would go up overlapping the space of the General bar.

We haven't agreed on the position of the wgo secondary nav bar. Lee
thinks it should be on the right column, as it is currently in wgo. I
think that it is easier to manage when placed directly underneath the
primary nav bar. More opinions are welcome.

We are considering also a breadcrumb nav component to be used in some
cases (but we haven't still defined when).

 * Based off of the wiki CMS Requirements page [2], I'm going to include 
 the following features in future mocks. Let me know if any of these are 
 problematic:

You don't need to put in place anything not defined in the components
and page structure. If you find something is missing let's discuss it at
a component level before including it in the lookfeel.

 ** login system

Not used in wgo, since by now just a bunch of editors will ned to log
in, it will be useless for the 99% of users.

 ** RSS feeds (news  site updates. any others?)

News and Planet blocks can have the feed icon, I guess. 

We haven't talked about a feed of wgo updates in general. If we would
decide to have it it would make sense to show it in the page footer.

 ** search

Approved component.

 ** page keywords

Discussed, without agreement. Let's leave them by now.

 ** language selection (per page)

Approved component.

 ** edit page

If we have such link it could be placed in the footer as well, where
just a minority of interested users would see it.

 ** breadcrumb trail (maybe?)

Approved component, optional in secondary pages.


 * Additional features not on the CS requirements page:
 
 Has much thought/discussion been done on pulling in information from 
 subsites onto the front page? Here are some ideas I've had:
 
 ** planet GNOME mini feeds - maybe the subject lines of the most-recent 
 posts on planet GNOME including little mini hackergotchis.

Approved component, although currently under discussion. Let's keep it
by now.

 ** GNOME art mini feed - most recently submitted 5 or top 5 submitted 
 pieces of art
 ** bugzilla - 5 most recently fixed / opened / updated bugs
 ** mailing lists - (don't know if this is possible but) 5 most recently 
 posted-to GNOME mailing lists
 ** CVS - most recent commits. hehe.
 ** IRC - top 5 most active channels with a link to instructions on how 
 to join in

We are aiming in this release to a less is more approach, in wgo in
general and specifically in the homepage. This dynamic content might be
appropriate for other pages, but in the home would be excessive, I
think.

When people ask why do we need a login at wgo one of the answers could
be to customize your homepage, get rid of the big splash banner and put
instead the feeds Máirín suggested.  ;)  This discussion has no place
in the current release, though.

 ** Footnotes - subjects from the 5 most-recently updated (eg comments) posts

There is a News component approved. We need to decide if what we list
there are the last 5 footnotes news or something else (a News gateway is
under planning, and it could bring a wider source of news - in any case
this doesn't affect your lookfeel work.

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-12 Thread Murray Cumming

 Hi again,

 On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 23:43 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

 I also like the general lookfeel. It looks like we can go ahead
 defining this style.

I'd like the GNOME logo to be bigger, at least as big as it is on the web
site now.

It's a mock up, of course, but I am also concerned that it might enforce a
fixed (maximum) width. I hope we can avoid that.

[snip]

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WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi everybody,

So I have a quick mockup that I did a couple weeks ago that I just 
uploaded to the wiki:

http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

What I'm trying to explore more than looks/style right now is feel:

* visual layout - how best to place banner, how and where to place 
navigation
* functionality - what functionality is planned for the site and how 
will it appear to users?

I must admit here that I have not been following the list as closely as 
I would have liked to, so forgive me if I've missed already-discussed 
details - Here are some questions I have going forward:

* How happy are we with top-level navigation on the wiki [1]? Should I 
go ahead and use the following headings in mockups:
** about
** download
** support
** community
** contribute
** development
** contact

* Based off of the wiki CMS Requirements page [2], I'm going to include 
the following features in future mocks. Let me know if any of these are 
problematic:
** login system
** RSS feeds (news  site updates. any others?)
** search
** page keywords
** language selection (per page)
** edit page
** breadcrumb trail (maybe?)

* Additional features not on the CS requirements page:

Has much thought/discussion been done on pulling in information from 
subsites onto the front page? Here are some ideas I've had:

** planet GNOME mini feeds - maybe the subject lines of the most-recent 
posts on planet GNOME including little mini hackergotchis.
** GNOME art mini feed - most recently submitted 5 or top 5 submitted 
pieces of art
** bugzilla - 5 most recently fixed / opened / updated bugs
** mailing lists - (don't know if this is possible but) 5 most recently 
posted-to GNOME mailing lists
** CVS - most recent commits. hehe.
** IRC - top 5 most active channels with a link to instructions on how 
to join in
** Footnotes - subjects from the 5 most-recently updated (eg comments) posts

Thanks,
~m

[1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/NewWgoStructure
[2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements
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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=karderio

 So, on the subject of pretty sites, is there any chance of anybody making
 live.g.o not ugly (Jeff?) ? I still feel it is rather important...

We need a moin 1.5 compatible theme for it, that at least (for now) matches
wgo. Further changes down the track will be simpler once we have a base to
work on.

- Jeff

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Máirín Duffy

 http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png

Full of awesome. I really dig this.

 ** planet GNOME mini feeds - maybe the subject lines of the most-recent 
 posts on planet GNOME including little mini hackergotchis.

(This would be a feed of news sources, rather than personal blogs, but all
the same in technical terms.)

- Jeff

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Re: WGO Revamp: Look and Feel

2006-09-11 Thread karderio
Hi :o)

On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 14:13 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 quote who=Máirín Duffy
 
  http://live.gnome.org/data/GnomeWeb(2f)LooknFeel/attachments/mizmo-wgo-mock-1.png
 
 Full of awesome. I really dig this.

It certainly is !

It's probably silly of me to mention this, but I suppose the second
navigation bar will just fit nicely somewhere.

  ** planet GNOME mini feeds - maybe the subject lines of the most-recent 
  posts on planet GNOME including little mini hackergotchis.
 
 (This would be a feed of news sources, rather than personal blogs, but all
 the same in technical terms.)

Agreed, but discussion ongoing...

So, on the subject of pretty sites, is there any chance of anybody
making live.g.o not ugly (Jeff?) ? I still feel it is rather
important...

Love, Karderio.

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