Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Michael Karadjis via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: From the anti-imperialist horse's mouth It actually seems to have come from some Zionist spy's mouth (which of course doesn't mean it isn't true): http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.625380 But that's still ignoring the broader context. Within what's left of the Arab Spring, the US will almost without exception be found on whatever it perceives as the winning sides of local struggles. The speed with which it realigned a large part of its regional strategy after the Egyptian coup was almost comical. You guys don't actually think this following it immediately was coincidental, do you? http://reut.rs/10JB94J Or this fairly predictable bit of tail-wagging? http://nyti.ms/1w8Q7Nn Hell, no. Those guys - who seem about as clueless as anyone else - were like, Fuck. Now this looks like a pretty shitty bet. Or, perhaps, their semblance of bumbling incompetence is all a clever ruse, and they're actually evil geniuses secretly orchestrating it all from inside their Masonic temples, UFOs, or synagogues (as you like). You decide which is more plausible. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From: Joseph Catron Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 8:34 PM To: Michael Karadjis ; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t From the anti-imperialist horse's mouth It actually seems to have come from some Zionist spy's mouth (which of course doesn't mean it isn't true): http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.625380 I don’t follow. Are you saying that was a fake al-Manar page? Looks real to me. If you mean Hezbollah picked up a story originating in Israel, well, no, THAT story has been around a week or so now, and Israel was not the only source. But that story simply said the US had assured Iran that the Assad regime would not be a target of its intervention. Actually, that is old news. But the al-Manar article claimed the US was not in favour of any destabilisation of the Assad regime, a considerably stronger statement. Which means either that it is a different story that hezbollah ahs got hold of, or Hezbollah is so thrilled by the idea of a US-Assad alliance that it deliberately exaggerates the story. Take your pick You guys don't actually think this following it immediately was coincidental, do you? http://reut.rs/10JB94J Or this fairly predictable bit of tail-wagging? http://nyti.ms/1w8Q7Nn Again I don’t follow. These 2 articles are from 2013, how are they “following it immediately”? But in any case, they well could be, because they say the same thing as what the UUS as saying a year before that and the same thing as they are saying now, a year later. For example, your first article begins: “Congressional committees are holding up a plan to send U.S. weapons to rebels fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad because of fears that such deliveries will not be decisive and the arms might end up in the hands of Islamist militants, five U.S. national security sources said.” Right. Mid-2013. But who could tell that wasn’t 2012 or 2014? It is exactly the same message from the US that we have heard the last 4 years. Just that some imagine they’ve heard different. Beats me when. Ditto for the other one about UK. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Michael Karadjis mkarad...@gmail.com wrote: If you mean Hezbollah picked up a story originating in Israel, well, no, THAT story has been around a week or so now, and Israel was not the only source. Was it? By most accounts, it was broken by the Wall Street Journal three and a half days ago: http://on.wsj.com/1yp8eB7 The WSJ's sources are, of course, anonymous. I have my suspicions, but won't waste time on speculation. But that story simply said the US had assured Iran that the Assad regime would not be a target of its intervention. Actually, that is old news. But the al-Manar article claimed the US was not in favour of any destabilisation of the Assad regime, a considerably stronger statement. Which means either that it is a different story that hezbollah ahs got hold of, or Hezbollah is so thrilled by the idea of a US-Assad alliance that it deliberately exaggerates the story. Take your pick Umm ... have you ever read al-Manar before? They exaggerate everything in English. Again I don’t follow. These 2 articles are from 2013, how are they “following it immediately”? Do you follow what it is? It's in the immediately preceding paragraph: The speed with which [the US] realigned a large part of its regional strategy after the Egyptian coup was almost comical. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Isis in Iraq: The brutal reality of life in Mosul under Islamic State - 'We are dying' - Middle East - World - The Independent
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Life in Mosul for a Sunni Arab – Christians and Yazidis have been forced to flee – is a mixture of normality, inconvenience and fear. Surprisingly, pensions are still being paid by the central government in Baghdad and the man I met at the weekend was still receiving his. But there is the burden of complying with new rules and regulations as Isis imposes its fundamentalist Islamic ideology. Some of these are inconvenient, such as the ban on smoking in public, or trivial, such as the removal of all pictures of Tom and Jerry from the walls of schools. The imposition of the niqab, fully covering a woman’s face, is deeply resented. One woman in Mosul, whose name must also be concealed, writes: “Just this evening, with my old mom, I went out to shop and buy medicines in my car with a thin cloth showing my eyes only. What can I do? Last week, a woman was standing beside a kiosk, and uncovered her face to drink a bottle of water. One of them [Isis] approached her and hit her on the head with a thick stick. He didn’t notice that her husband was close to her. Her husband beat him up and he ran away, shooting randomly in the sky as the people, in sympathy, chased him so they could share in beating him. This is just one story of the brutality we are living.” full: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-in-iraq-the-brutal-reality-of-life-in-mosul-under-islamic-state--we-are-dying-9850129.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: U. Illinois board receives report recommending reappointment of ex-convict @insidehighered
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In the aftermath of the Steven Salaita case at its Urbana-Champaign campus, the University of Illinois Board of Trustees is set to consider another controversial faculty decision this week: that of James Kilgore. The adjunct professor of global studies and urban planning received word last year that although he was scheduled to teach classes this semester, his service was no longer needed at the university, ever. Explanations were few and far between, but Kilgore and his supporters believe that a local newspaper article detailing his criminal past as part of the Symbionese Liberation Army caused the university – which knew about his record and hired him anyway – to reverse its position. full: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/11/10/u-illinois-board-receives-report-recommending-reappointment-ex-convict _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 11/10/14 5:49 AM, Joseph Catron via Marxism wrote: The WSJ's sources are, of course, anonymous. I have my suspicions, but won't waste time on speculation. What could your suspicions possibly be? Isn't the evidence overwhelming that American imperialism has no interest in regime change in Syria despite Obama telling Bob Schieffer yesterday that he would like to see Assad go. You can bet that Global Research and WSWS.org will jump on those words and crow See, regime change is still on the table. I imagine that they will still be saying this even after every last Sunni rebel is exterminated and Assad gets an invitation to the White House to explore post-war reconstruction aid. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Brazil's MST: 'Our challenge is to fight for structural reforms'
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The contradiction that faces the ³moderate left² in Latin America is a conflict between law and justice because the laws were written to protect landed property. The new governments are obliged to enforce the law ( or replace it with a with new constitutions).It took a thousand years since the Magna Carta to construct bourgeois law so that it works fairly well to keep power in the hands of the owning classes.Now traditional indigenous decision making, Zapatista consensus building, the Cuban constitution, the new constitutions in the ALBA countries are all part of the process of creating the new rule of law for the new system of justice. So do not criticize the ways in which the new governments deviate from bourgeois law but rather their difficulties in creating a new legal system based on justice. On 11/9/14, 6:45 PM, Stuart Munckton via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Social movements face the big challenge of continuing the fight for structural reforms in Brazil. We have to continue the struggle for land, continue pushing for a referendum for a constituent assembly and demand that the government democratise the media. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57751 -- ³Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity¹s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.² ‹ Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism ³The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?² ‹ Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/humaneco%40hsph.harvard.edu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Petition to Cancel Israeli Invasion Advisor's Visit to NYU Law
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * To all those who originally received this petition, please ensure that you use your Community Organization's name if you are signing on behalf of an organization! Thank you, - Amith On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com wrote: Sign here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cKC8EQu3Grn9ps1MsFS-xTSqAHP9u2DcecyuGTgP2os/viewform?usp=send_form *Text of Petition: * To the NYU Law Federalist Society and NYU Law Professor Ryan Goodman, We call on the Federalist Society to rescind your invitation to Israeli Military Lieutenant-Colonel-Doctor Eran Shamir-Borer to speak at the Law School this coming Thursday; and we call on Professor Ryan Goodman to cancel your participation in the same event. Hosting an Israeli military officer to field questions about the legality of Israeli war crimes goes beyond discussing the matter in an academic fashion to whitewashing and normalizing those who violate international law’s core tenets most brazenly. Shamir-Borer’s supporters describe him as the legal advisor for Operation Protective Edge, the Israeli military codename for this summer’s Israeli invasion of Gaza, which killed over two-thousand Palestinians -- most of them civilians, including roughly five hundred children. Shamir-Borer’s role is to shield Israel from accountability for war crimes. There is a virtual international consensus that Israel committed grave violations of the laws of war during its Gaza invasion. Most human rights watchdogs, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, as well as UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, concluded that Israel perpetrated a number of war crimes during this campaign, including deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, medical facilities, and shelters, the use of weaponry incapable of distinction in densely populated areas, generally failing to distinguish between civilians and combatants, and conducting disproportionate attacks, among other grave breaches of the Hague Regulations, Geneva Conventions and customary international law. Shamir-Borer, who is on tour to justify Israel’s massacres at universities, has already met with considerable backlash elsewhere. His visit to Tufts University has sparked over 1200 individuals to petition that university to cancel the event. Around the country, students are standing up to a culture of impunity for Israeli atrocities. This event would continue NYU Law’s unfortunate and irresponsible behavior in the aftermath of this summer’s tragedy. As you may know, NYU Law enthusiastically embraced the Forum on Law, Culture, and Society this August, despite Forum Director Thane Rosenbaum’s abhorrent statement that Palestinians “forfeit [their] right to be called civilians”. He based this on how some Palestinians voted in an election, echoing the rationalizations for violence against civilians used by terrorists. Individuals who are responsible for such blatant crimes of war deserve to be heard at their trials. Shamir-Borer’s appropriate venue for this presentation is at the Hague, not at a law school under the guise of academic exchange. Signed, [The undersigned] _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Chris Hedges: Saving the Planet, One Meal at a Time - Chris Hedges - Truthdig
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My attitude toward becoming a vegan was similar to Augustine’s attitude toward becoming celibate—“God grant me abstinence, but not yet.” But with animal agriculture as the leading cause of species extinction, water pollution, ocean dead zones and habitat destruction2, and with the death spiral of the ecosystem ever more pronounced, becoming vegan is the most important and direct change we can immediately make to save the planet and its species. It is one that my wife—who was the engine behind our family’s shift—and I have made. A person who is vegan will save 1,100 gallons of water, 20 pounds CO2 equivalent, 30 square feet of forested land, 45 pounds of grain and one sentient animal’s life1 every day. full: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/saving_the_planet_one_meal_at_a_time_20141109 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Berlin Wall and Europe's internal 'climate diplomacy'
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A discussion of climate justice and the EU in the context of continued west-east inequalities and power imbalances since the fall of the Berlin Wall. http://roadtoparis.info/2014/11/10/berlin-wall-europe-climate-diplomacy/ Leigh Phillips European Affairs Journalist Science Writer leigh.phill...@gmail.com Mobile: (CA) +1 250 885 1003 (UK) +44 (0)75 282 17 335 (BE) +32 (0)487 200 575 Skype ID: leighphillips Twitter: Leigh_Phillips _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Brazil's MST: 'Our challenge is to fight for structural reforms'
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Richard Levins wrote The contradiction that faces the 'moderate left' in Latin America is a conflict between law and justice because the laws were written to protect landed property. The new governments are obliged to enforce the law (or replace it with a with new constitutions). It took a thousand years since the Magna Carta to construct bourgeois law so that it works fairly well to keep power in the hands of the owning classes. Now traditional indigenous decision making, Zapatista consensus building, the Cuban constitution, the new constitutions in the ALBA countries are all part of the process of creating the new rule of law for the new system of justice. So do not criticize the ways in which the new governments deviate from bourgeois law but rather their difficulties in creating a new legal system based on justice. On 11/9/14, 6:45 PM, Stuart Munckton via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: (...) https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57751 I read this as I happened also to be reading Meszaros's The Power of Ideology (1989, revised with a new introduction in 2005), where the following appears on pp. 430-431 - approaching these problems, including the juridical problem, from a related perspective: Moreover, since the 'invisible hand' at work in the capitalist market is also the 'invisible totalizer' of the fragmentarily constituted overall productive and distributive complex, a new and equally powerful totalizer must be found to take over the vital coordinating and integrative functions of its abolished predecessor.. Also, 'socialist accumulation' remains for a long time as pressing an imperative in post-capitalist societies as capital accumulation used to be in the inherited system, if not more so. Consequently, on both counts - i.e. both as regards the necessity to find an alternative to the 'invisible totalizer' and the need for an authority capable of imposing on the producers a forced rate of 'socialist accumulation' on the ground of the existing 'state of emergency' - the post-capitalist state, under the prevailing historical circumstances - has to assume the role of a centralized political controlling authority. As a result, new resistances are created through the structural mismatch between the post-capitalist state's objective constitution and the task of economically managing the everyday functions of production and distribution. To add insult to injury, for the new material and human resistances (and for the failures caused primarily by the state's inadequacies to deal successfully, as promised, with the task of improving socioeconomic reproduction) the blame is put on a mythical 'internal enemy.' At the same time, the vicious circle of instituting more centralized political control in order to compensate for the economic failures of centralized control is further strengthened. setting into motion a process of state-bureaucratic development which has its self-sustaining logic and inertia. Clearly, then, bureaucratization is quite prominent in post-capitalist societies. But just as clearly, it is not simply the consequence of 'political degeneration'. Nor could it be rectified by the adoption of even the most radical set of political measures. For its causes arise in the first place from the inherited material structures, and from the corresponding social division of labor to which the unavoidable juridical intervention against capitalist private property adds its further complications.There is no way of avoiding the severe practical dilemma which, one the one hand, calls for a most powerful centralized intervention (both for abolishing the the exploitative socioeconomic relations wedded to the old property system and for protecting the new juridical form against internal and external subversion) while, on the other hand, also anticipates the much more difficult task of genuinely decentralizing and profoundly restructuring the instrumental and institutional complexes of societal reproduction in their entirety. It is fairly obvious that capitalist private property cannot be abolished without the power of a centralized political authority. For even its partial (and completely reversible) curtailment, in the form of the well-known post-war 'nationalizations', needed the intervention of the centralized capitalist state. What is less obvious though, because of the impersonal character of the spontaneously imposed capitalistic decision
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: Isn't the evidence overwhelming that American imperialism has no interest in regime change in Syria despite Obama telling Bob Schieffer yesterday that he would like to see Assad go. Public statements or claims one way or the other aside, their actual behavior indicates that in Syria, like many (not all) countries of the region, they're willing to cope with multiple outcomes. At the moment, they're resigned to Assad because among the range of outcomes acceptable to them (not ISIS or Nusra), he's winning. If the tide were to somehow turn towards someone other than him (or ISIS or Nusra), they'd roll with that, too, Analyses that assume the US is a micromanaging global mother-in-law, seeking to implement a wish list of ideal foreign governments, are all pretty flawed, despite everyone seeming to have one these days. The US has its interests, of course. But its grand strategy - a bit confused at this point - is to arrange things in such a way that those interests will be served regardless of who holds power overseas. And yes, I think you're right that Obama has no interest in a Bush-style regime change imposed wholly from the outside. He might have taken advantage of existing trends, but they're no longer there. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 11/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: At the moment, they're resigned to Assad because among the range of outcomes acceptable to them (not ISIS or Nusra), he's winning. You have that all wrong. Between a dictatorship that is deeply committed to neoliberalism and a rebel army that is largely made up of impoverished farmers, small businessmen and members of the informal sector (in other words, the same social composition as those who rose up against Somoza), the USA knows where its class interests lie. It is one of the ironies of history that so many who championed the Sandinistas are now ready to label another insurgent movement against crony capitalism as the moral equivalent of the Nicaraguan contras. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Rosewater — Jon Stewart goes to Iran | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Despite being a long-standing enemy of the Iranian theocracy, I found “Rosewater” very unsatisfying. As cable TV comedian Jon Stewart’s maiden voyage in film (he directed and wrote the screenplay), it is hobbled by both his inexperience in this medium as well as subject matter that might defy the best efforts of a Costa-Gavras. This is a tale based on the real-life persecution of Newsweek reporter Maziar Bihari who was in solitary confinement in Evin prison after being arrested on trumped-up charges as spy in 2009. Stewart had a personal stake in making the film since Bihari was a guest on his show and a cause célèbre for the Daily Show after his imprisonment. For those who have tuned into his half-hour satire from time to time, you’re probably aware that there’s a special place in his heart for journalists up against a repressive state like Egypt’s Bassem Youssef. For Stewart, there’s an emphasis on freedom of the press even if there’s not quite an understanding that such freedom only exists for those who own one, as A.J. Liebling once put it. full: http://louisproyect.org/2014/11/10/rosewater-jon-stewart-goes-to-iran/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Nov 10, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: On 11/10/14 4:39 PM, Joseph Catron wrote: At the moment, they're resigned to Assad because among the range of outcomes acceptable to them (not ISIS or Nusra), he's winning. You have that all wrong. Between a dictatorship that is deeply committed to neoliberalism and a rebel army that is largely made up of impoverished farmers, small businessmen and members of the informal sector (in other words, the same social composition as those who rose up against Somoza), the USA knows where its class interests lie. It is one of the ironies of history that so many who championed the Sandinistas are now ready to label another insurgent movement against crony capitalism as the moral equivalent of the Nicaraguan contras. I take it there’s no implication here that the predominantly Islamist forces leading the Syrian insurgency are - if you wish to put it in these terms - the “moral equivalent” of the Sandinistas who overthrew the Somoza dictatorship. It shouldn’t be necessary on a Marxism list to point to the wide discrepancy in their social programs, taking into account both the FSLN’s misguided policy towards the Miskitos, and that the Islamists are leading a legitimate struggle against the Assad regime. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hezbollah: US Not in Favour of Destabilizing Syrian Gov’t
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 11/10/14 5:37 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: I take it there’s no implication here that the predominantly Islamist forces leading the Syrian insurgency are - if you wish to put it in these terms - the “moral equivalent” of the Sandinistas who overthrew the Somoza dictatorship. In fact one of the primary social bases of the FSLN were small ranchers who had zero interest in socialism. They were tired of living under a dictatorship that favored the big landowners that were part of the Somoza kleptocracy. Even if you don't agree with my analysis of the class forces arrayed against Somoza, the similarity between the Syrian big bourgeoisie and the Somoza machine is striking. Whether people yell out venceremos or Alluah Akbar, a large part of what drives them to risk their lives in battle is a feeling that life under the old system is impossible. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] To end global poverty, we have to end global capitalism.
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[Marxism] 'The Blather' is back: satirical talk audio
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[Marxism] Funeral for Saudi Shiites Turns Into Show of Sunni-Shiite Unity
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Funeral for Saudi Shiites Turns Into Show of Unity Sunnis Turn Out to Support Those Killed in a Terrorist Attack http://online.wsj.com/articles/funeral-for-saudi-shiites-turns-into-show-of-unity-1415578647 Saudi mourners on Friday attend the funeral of eight Shiite victims killed earlier this week by masked gunmen in the town of Dalwa. Agence France-Presse/Getty Images By Ahmed Al Omran Nov. 9, 2014 7:17 p.m. ET 0 COMMENTS DALWA, Saudi Arabia—Tens of thousands poured into a small village in eastern Saudi Arabia to mourn members of the country’s Shiite minority killed in a terrorist attack that shattered the calm in this desert oasis. Dalwa, at the foot of a mountain and surrounded by date farms, overflowed on Friday with people from neighboring towns and cities across the kingdom who came to take part in one of the largest funerals the country has seen in recent years. Eight Shiites, most of them teenagers, were killed on Monday when three masked men opened fire on a gathering outside a hall Shiite Muslims use for religious occasions called a “husseiniya.” It was the penultimate day of Ashura, a 10-day Shiite Muslim observance that commemorates the death of Imam Hussein, one of Shiite Islam’s most revered leaders, more than 1,300 years ago. For Saudi Arabia, the attack on Shiite worshipers was a rarity. During the funeral, mourners lifted photos of the village’s Shiite victims next to photos of Sunni members of the security forces killed in effort to arrest suspects in the aftermath of the attack. Shiite flags in black and red flew beside the green national Saudi flags that shrouded the eight bodies as they were laid outside a mosque. From there, the crowd marched with the bodies between drab low-slung buildings toward the small cemetery where adjacent holes had been dug in the sandy ground. The mainly Shiite crowd was joined by Sunnis from other regions. As they marched, religious chants commemorating saints mixed with slogans of national unity: “Brothers, Sunnis and Shiites,” they said. It was a striking tableau of unity amid a wave of violent sectarian conflict engulfing other parts of the Middle East—from Lebanon, to Syria, Iraq and Bahrain—as adherents of the Islam’s two major sects tussle for power and influence. Anmar Fathaldin, a Sunni who came with a delegation from Mecca, more than 650 miles away, said he was afraid they wouldn’t be welcomed. But he said he was happy when local residents made way for them to get closer to the main stage because they were guests. “I like that they wave Saudi flags and lift photos of fallen officers,” he said. “This is not fake. This is how they genuinely feel. It’s reassuring to the heart.” The attack has stoked concerns that a nightmare many have long feared could suddenly be closer at hand with regional conflicts spilling over to Saudi Arabia, a key U.S. ally that is home to Islam’s holiest sites and is the world’s leading oil exporter. The kingdom has a significant Shiite minority, estimated at 10%-15% of the population, concentrated in its oil-rich eastern region, with smaller pockets of Shiites in the western and southern parts of the country. The government says it doesn’t discriminate. But Shiites have long complained of religious and economic marginalization in the predominantly Sunni monarchy, where they are viewed by some as infidels and allies of Saudi rival Shiite Iran. Saudi Shiites tend to see themselves as loyal citizens of the kingdom despite the sporadic outbreak of protests and violence in the east in the late 1970s and most recently after the Arab uprisings that began in late 2010 despite an official ban on street protests in the country. In return, they say, they expect the government to offer them the same rights and protections their Sunni counterparts receive. When referring to the location of the attack, official statements avoided any mention of the word “husseiniya” out of a traditional reluctance to recognize Shiite places of worship. Until recently, the monarchy didn't acknowledge the country’s Shiite minority. Only in recent years, Shiite representatives were invited to a national dialogue and given more recognition. Saudi security services have arrested 33 suspects in 10 cities in connection with the attack, according to local media. Two members of the security forces were killed during the arrests. On Wednesday, Minister of Interior Prince Mohammed bin Naif visited the families of the fallen officers to offer his condolences. A few hours later he visited the husseiniya in Dalwa—a rare visit by a senior member of the royal family. His brother Prince Saud, Governor
[Marxism] The US strategy against Isis is working for Assad
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The US strategy against Isis is working for Assad http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/06/us-strategy-against-isis-working-well-assad-syria The Syrian president is the beneficiary of a muddled campaign that leaves him free to strike against his own enemies oIan Black o oThe Guardian, Friday 7 November 2014 05.31 AEST oJump to comments (167) Bashar al-Assad: 'prefers perpetual war with Isis'. Photograph: AP Bashar al-Assad was in a relaxed and hospitable frame of mind a couple of weeks ago, according to a Syrian expat who met him in Damascus. True, the US was now leading a coalition attacking Islamic State (Isis) fighters on Syrian soil as well as in Iraq, but he had received firm assurances that it would not be targeting his own forces. The only thing, the president admitted, was a nagging worry that the Americans could not be trusted. The word from Washington, passed on via Syria’s UN envoy and the Iranians, was that Barack Obama was focused firmly on the jihadi threat and had no intention of helping other rebels who are fighting to overthrow Assad, the guest told friends. The fact is that in the second month of the US-led air campaign, American and western policy towards Syria is in disarray and perhaps facing disaster. Operation Inherent Resolve does not seem worthy of its grandiose name, hence Assad’s surprisingly upbeat mood. The latest blow to his enemies was suffered by the Syrian Revolutionary Front and Harakat Hazm, both groups the US hoped would become the nucleus of an anti-Isis force. Last weekend in the Idlib area they lost ground and weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra, a battle-hardened al-Qaida-aligned outfit which was hit by US air strikes again on Thursday. The problem, say critics, is that Obama is taking a narrow counter-terrorist view of Syria and has no strategy for tipping the scales – even though he claims to want to force Assad to negotiate an end to the war. Jabhat al-Nusra men are now reportedly fighting alongside Isis. “The US,” said the analyst Faysal Itani, “wants its allies in Syria to fight its enemies but not their own, and will not even give them military support to do so effectively.” Many note the gap between verbal commitments and investment. “US strategy against Isis puts moderate Syrian rebel forces in an impossible situation,” tweeted Emile Hokayem of the International Institute for Strategic Studies: ”Assad benefiting, Isis/Jabhat al-Nusra appearing as anti-Assad champions.” Fighting Isis in Iraq is tough but still easier, with Kurdish peshmerga and a functioning if incompetent and sectarian Iraqi army. US plans for organising Syrian “boots on the ground” looked problematic even before the latest losses. The $500m (£300m) “train and equip” programme for a 5,000-strong force is modest and painfully slow-moving. Vetting to prevent (more) US weapons falling into the “wrong” hands has yet to begin. And events on the battlefields are not standing still. Coalition air strikes have caused civilian casualties while leaving Assad to act with impunity, dropping deadly barrel bombs with even greater frequency than before – and, gallingly, close to where Isis has been hit by US attacks. Appeals for a no-fly zone to ground the Syrian air force continue to fall on deaf ears. Hadi al-Bahra, president of the ineffective western-backed Syrian National Coalition, is unlikely to get a different response when he attends the shrinking Friends of Syria forum in London next week. It is a sign of the sluggish pace of international diplomacy that foreign ministers will not be attending. This week saw a flurry of interest in a proposal by a European NGO to expand local ceasefires and freeze the situation on the ground. Supporters see this as the only way out of the current impasse while acknowledging that it would give the Syrian government the upper hand. Critics oppose it for that reason while warning of a growing trend in European countries – especially by domestic security chiefs fixated by the Isis “blowback” threat – to cooperate with Assad. Anecdotal evidence also suggests scepticism in Arab coalition partners – Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Jordan and Bahrain – which fear a Sunni backlash and question a policy galvanised by the beheading of four western journalists but not by the 200,000 Syrian deaths that preceded them. Mistrust of Obama and fear of an impending US-nuclear deal with (Shia) Iran have to be factored into that mood. “The limitations of US policy on Syria were obvious from the start and have become more apparent,” observed Noah Bonsey of the International Crisis Group. “it is not clear that air
[Marxism] Fwd: Petition to Cancel Israeli Invasion Advisor's Visit to NYU Law gathers +100 signatures in less than 24 hours
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * *In less than 24 hours, over 100 NYU students, alumni, faculty/staff, student groups, community members and community organizations have signed onto the following petition to rescind the invitation to an Israeli invasion advisor to NYU Law. * *Please consider reading this petition and expressing your opposition to this event by signing here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cKC8EQu3Grn9ps1MsFS-xTSqAHP9u2DcecyuGTgP2os/viewform:* *https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cKC8EQu3Grn9ps1MsFS-xTSqAHP9u2DcecyuGTgP2os/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cKC8EQu3Grn9ps1MsFS-xTSqAHP9u2DcecyuGTgP2os/viewform* *Petition to Cancel Israeli Invasion Advisor's Visit to NYU Law* *Full list of signatories to this petition:* https://www.dropbox.com/s/j0bi4wianhui0b0/Petition%20IDF%20Advisor%20Signatures.pdf?dl=0 *(Signatories as of 11/10: 117 students, student organizations, faculty/staff, alumni, community members, and community organizations).* To the NYU Law Federalist Society and NYU Law Professor Ryan Goodman, We call on the Federalist Society to rescind your invitation to Israeli Military Lieutenant-Colonel-Doctor Eran Shamir-Borer to speak at the Law School this coming Thursday; and we call on Professor Ryan Goodman to cancel your participation in the same event. Hosting an Israeli military officer to field questions about the legality of Israeli war crimes goes beyond discussing the matter in an academic fashion to whitewashing and normalizing those who violate international law’s core tenets most brazenly. Shamir-Borer’s supporters describe him as the legal advisor for Operation Protective Edge, the Israeli military codename for this summer’s Israeli invasion of Gaza, which killed over two-thousand Palestinians -- most of them civilians, including roughly five hundred children. Shamir-Borer’s role is to shield Israel from accountability for war crimes. There is a virtual international consensus that Israel committed grave violations of the laws of war during its Gaza invasion. Most human rights watchdogs, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, as well as UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon and UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, concluded that Israel perpetrated a number of war crimes during this campaign, including deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, medical facilities, and shelters, the use of weaponry incapable of distinction in densely populated areas, generally failing to distinguish between civilians and combatants, and conducting disproportionate attacks, among other grave breaches of the Hague Regulations, Geneva Conventions and customary international law. Shamir-Borer, who is on tour to justify Israel’s massacres at universities, has already met with considerable backlash elsewhere. His visit to Tufts University has sparked over 1200 individuals to petition that university to cancel the event. Around the country, students are standing up to a culture of impunity for Israeli atrocities. This event would continue NYU Law’s unfortunate and irresponsible behavior in the aftermath of this summer’s tragedy. As you may know, NYU Law enthusiastically embraced the Forum on Law, Culture, and Society this August, despite Forum Director Thane Rosenbaum’s abhorrent statement that Palestinians “forfeit [their] right to be called civilians”. He based this on how some Palestinians voted in an election, echoing the rationalizations for violence against civilians used by terrorists. Individuals who are responsible for such blatant crimes of war deserve to be heard at their trials. Shamir-Borer’s appropriate venue for this presentation is at the Hague, not at a law school under the guise of academic exchange. Signed, NYU Students Aimin Mitwally Alex Boodrookas Alisha Bhaumik Alyssa C. Smith Ameed Abualteen Amith Gupta Andrew Donilon Asad Ahmed Asma Peracha Ayesha Krige Belle Cheves Bianca Isaias Calisha D. Myers Ellis Garey Emma Pliskin Eric Sturm Evan Jones Evan Neuhausen Hannah Dehradunwala Hannah Lawrence Isaac Hand Jennifer Varela Jonah Walters Jonathan Laks Kat Thornton Kristina Lewis Laura Phillips Lila Suboh Mariam Elba Marianne Tassone Maya Wind Megan Goddard Nantina Vgontzas Patricia Shnell Perla Alvarez Radwa Salem Rustin Zarkar Ryan mcnamara Schneur Newfield Shimrit Lee Sophia Garrow Wei-Po Wang Yael Heiblum Yanzhou Chen Zavier Wingham Christine Sifferman NYU Staff Faculty Samantha Jaser NYU Alumni Allison Brown Corinna Mullin Doris Soroko Eva Schreiner James Clark Lucy Parks Michael Stephen Smith, Esq, Mindy Gershon Prof. Terri Ginsberg Stephen Garrow Susan Harman,
[Marxism] My paper on Countercurrents on Indian Left
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Comrades, My paper, Yeh Kahan Aagaye Hum..? /The Indian Left's Epic Journey into Oblivion is published in Countercurrents dtd. 07th November 2014. The article is in English, though the title is picked from a Hindi song, which means, What destination have we reached?.Please offer your comments.Here is the URL:http://www.countercurrents.org/vkumar061114.pdfVijaya Kumar Marla _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fw: [foil] Press Release by Left Parties
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I am forwarding a message from Com. Sukla Sen on the declaration of Indian Left
Parties.It is too late and it apperas they are trying to throw a few buckets of
water after the house is burnt to ashes. The people have lost confidence on the
capacity of Indian Left Parties to respond to people's problems. They had gone
into hibernation long back.Vijaya Kumar M
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:19 AM, Sukla Sen sukla@gmail.com
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From: willy willyin...@gmail.com
Date: 1 November 2014 14:05
*1 November, 2014*
*Left Parties Press Release*
A meeting of six Left parties - Communist Party of India (Marxist),
Communist Party of India, Revolutionary Socialist Party, All India Forward
Bloc, Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist)-Liberation and Socialist
Unity Centre of India (Communist) was held today at New Delhi. They have
issued the following statement:
With the advent of the Modi government in power there is a concerted
rightwing offensive fueled by the corporate-Hindutva forces. There is a
growing onslaught on the people through the imposition of neo-liberal
policies which is going to adversely impact the livelihood of the people.
There is no respite for the people from price rise, unemployment and
corruption.
The Hindutva forces are resorting to aggressive communal activities. The
Modi government's patronage of the RSS and its outfits is aimed at
communalising the educational, social and cultural institutions. There is
rise in communal tensions in different parts of the country.
The Left parties decided to conduct a week long protest campaign between
December 8 to 14, 2014 on the following issues:
(i) Against steps to curtail and dilute the MNREGA
(ii) Curb price rise; control exorbitant price of medicines and
drugs
(iii) No increased FDI in insurance.
(iv) Take firm action to unearth black money
(v) Stop infiltration of the RSS and Hindutva ideology in
education, public broadcasting media and other institutions of the State.
(vi) Stop the love jihad hate campaign and other forms of
communal propaganda
(vii) Stop attacks on minorities and their rights
(viii) Fight violence against women and all forms of gender oppression
(ix) Fight against atrocities on dalits and caste oppression
Those who attended the meeting were:
Debabrata Biswas {AIFB}; Kshiti Goswami Manoj Bhattacharya {RSP}; Swapan
Mukherjee Kavita Krishnan {CPI(ML)-Liberation}; Manik Mukherjee Ranjit
Dhar {SUCI(C)}, A.B. Bardhan D Raja {CPI} and Prakash Karat S
Ramachandran Pillai {CPI(M)}.
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[Marxism] Richard Silverstein: Israeli Scam Artist Fighting for Kurds is Identified
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[Marxism] Corey Robin - contemporary liberalism - minimalism at home, maximalism abroad
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[Marxism] Left Critique of atin American left governments
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[Marxism] Twenty-five years after the Berlin Wall, socialists to head gov’t in east German state
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Nearly twenty-five years to the day after the fall of the Berlin Wall, socialist party Die Linke (“The Left”) looks set to form government in the eastern German state of Thuringia for the first time. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57756 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Forget Veterans Day, but remember Tomas Young
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Tomas Young, an Iraq War veteran and outspoken critic of the war he was severely injured in, died on Monday at the age of 34 - a day before Veteran's Day. There is no word about the cause of death. Tomas Young enlisted in the military two days after 9/11 because he wanted to strike back at those responsible for the attack on America. Instead of being deployed to Afghanistan after joining the Army, he was deployed to Iraq. He was shot in the chest and paralyzed during an insurgent attack in Sadr City just a few days after beginning his tour of duty. His injuries resulted in quadriplegia, paralysis from the neck down. Young became a significant critic of the war in Iraq – during which 4,488 soldiers and Marines died in Iraq and 30,000 were wounded – and an early member of Iraq Veterans Against the War advocacy group ... http://rt.com/usa/204199-iraq-veteran-tomas-young-death Young will perhaps be remembered most widely for his 2013 Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran: I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole ... My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness. http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/the_last_letter_20130318 -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
