Re: [Marxism] Chechnya/Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2/27/15 8:27 PM, Ron J wrote: Please. The situations are quite different (fir example, ukrainians were not stolen from their land, placed in chains and sold into slavery, nor did the Panthers align themselves with nazis or bankers to win their battles) also, the argument I am making is not denying the Ukrainian plaint against Russia. Your argument, however, seems to be denying the crucial role played by NATO and Washington in the current situation. In fact the Ukrainians suffered the loss of somewhere between 2.5 to 7.5 million people in 1932 to 1934 because of Stalin's forced collectivization. The people who tend to adopt anti-imperialist formulas argue for a smaller number and describe the deaths almost as accidental like workers dying in construction jobs on a crash project. Go to Grover Furr's website if you want to see some of that crap. People want to understand why Stephen Bandera lined up with the Nazis? In many ways, they were the lesser evil as far as Ukrainians were concerned. In essence, the main reason countries bordering the USSR orient to NATO today is because of this sordid past. When the left sides with a criminal like Putin according to some febrile notion of fighting the good fight, it embarrasses itself. But of course many people like Stephen Cohen or Paul Craig Roberts seem to have been born without shame genes. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Why Did Europe Conquer the World? (The Princeton Economic History of the Western World): Philip T. Hoffman: 9780691139708: Amazon.com: Books
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[Marxism] Online, American Helps Fuel Attacks in Egypt
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times, Feb. 28 2015 Online, American Helps Fuel Attacks in Egypt By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK Writing from an online perch in Istanbul, he calls on Egyptians to start off-hour attacks against KFC restaurants, banks, mobile phone shops and other corporate outposts. He urges assaults on the military’s commercial interests instead of its security checkpoints. Nonviolent protests are worse than “futile,” he says, just an opportunity “to get arrested or shot in an exercise in crowd control training for the police.” This Internet provocateur is an American convert to Islam, Shahid King Bolsen, a college dropout who speaks only rudimentary Arabic and has barely set foot in Egypt. He has nevertheless emerged as the unlikely apostle for a distinctive blend of anti-globalization sloganeering and Islamist politics that is fueling a new wave of violence against businesses across the country. Although the attacks have mainly hit empty banks, stores and restaurants, they have killed two Cairenes so far. On Thursday alone, six bombs set off around greater Cairo injured at least nine others, including four police officers. A 43-year-old native of Boulder, Co., Mr. Bolsen is the latest in a series of Westerners, including the American citizens Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Kahn of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, to turn up as propagandists for various forms of Islamist violence. But what sets him apart, and helps explain the origins of his distinctive brand of anti-corporate Islamism, is his singular path, beginning with an adolescent zeal for social justice that he carried through his religious conversion. Along the way, he developed his ideas further in the solitude of a seven-year stint in prison for manslaughter in the United Arab Emirates, the result of a bizarre case involving allegations of sex for sale and an overdose of chloroform. His popularity in Egypt despite his idiosyncratic profile is a measure of the growing frustration among many young Islamists at their apparent powerlessness after the military takeover that removed President Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood more than a year and a half ago, said Mokhtar Awad, a researcher at the Center for American Progress in Washington, who, along with a colleague, Samuel Tadros of the Hudson Institute, is preparing a study of Mr. Bolsen. “There is a desperation to express anger and hit back at the current regime that is captured by one of the slogans he has popularized — ‘Your business, our blood’ — and it is symptomatic of the level of desperation that this almost absurd figure is able to seize on that opportunity,” Mr. Awad said. “And it shows this creeping move away from aiming the violence only at the police and military side and toward civilian targets.” Mr. Bolsen, in a telephone interview on Friday, said he had urged his followers to avoid harming civilians and never recommended the use of explosives. “The idea is disruption without bloodshed,” Mr. Bolsen said. “I condemn the loss of life and the use of violence against people,” he said. But, he added, if a few lives are lost to help prevent needless deaths at the hands of security forces, “sometimes it is a price to be paid.” Mr. Bolsen, who makes his living giving private English lessons, has reached his Egyptian audience entirely through Islamist websites, satellite television networks and social media. He appears on the Islamist website Qawim as the “chief analyst for the global anti-aggression campaign,” and his Facebook page has more than 56,000 followers, most of them Egyptians gathered over the last several months. Mixing Quranic verses with fusillades against “corporate crusaders,” he argues that multinational corporations are both the real power behind the military takeover and also its greatest weak spot. “The army has occupied Egypt on behalf of multinationals and foreign investors,” he declared in a recent Facebook post. “The revolutionaries can prove that collaboration with the coup is bad for business, ” Mr. Bolsen wrote in another, urging “rebels” to prove they can “inflict serious disruption” to corporate profits. “It makes more sense, in my opinion, to fight against the army’s economic holdings than to fight against their security apparatus,” he has often said. “This will be much more of a blow than targeting checkpoints or police stations.” Islamist activists leaning toward violence circulate his statements approvingly, and militant groups like the Popular Resistance Movement have cited his arguments as inspiration and justification as they have carried out dozens of small attacks on
Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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[Marxism] Fwd: Native Land and African Bodies, the Source of U.S. Capitalism | Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz | Monthly Review
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[Marxism] Fwd: Chicagoans detail abusive confinement inside Homan Square police 'black site' | US news | The Guardian
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 'I sat in that place for three days, man': Chicagoans detail abusive confinement inside police 'black site' Four black men recall prolonged shackling and off-the-books interrogation Lawyers: ‘majority of abuse’ at Homan Square focuses on minority Americans Black Lives Matter movement backs protests amid pressure for federal inquiry Homan Square Fri The Guardian has interviewed six people about their detention inside Homan Square, a police warehouse that has led to calls for local and federal inquiry – and now multiple protests. Photograph: Philipp Batta/Guardian Spencer Ackerman in New York @attackerman Friday 27 February 2015 15.16 EST Last modified on Friday 27 February 2015 15.26 EST Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Share via Email Share on LinkedIn Share on Google+ Shares 2,051 A Chicago man says he was confined for three days – shackled, interrogated and fed only twice, his whereabouts unknown – inside the police “black site” at the epicentre of public outcry over allegations of abuse said to focus on minority citizens. Four black Chicagoans have now come forward to the Guardian detailing off-the-books ordeals at the facility, including another who describes being detained in “a big cage” with his wrists cuffed to a bench so he couldn’t move. The Guardian has now interviewed six people about their detention at the Homan Square police warehouse. With striking consistency, all have described extensive detentions without benefit of legal counsel or public notice of where they were. The first-hand accounts of two white protesters who “disappeared” at the police warehouse in 2012 set off political and civil-rights outrage this week, and multiple protests have now been scheduled by organizers including the Black Lives Matter movement. Brock Terry, 31, says police took him to Homan Square in 2011, after finding him with five and a half pounds of marijuana, and describes being held for three entire days without public notice, booking or a lawyer. “I sat in that place for three days, man – with no talking, no calls to nobody,” Terry told the Guardian on Friday. His friends and family could not find him: “They call police stations, I’m not there, I’m not there.” “I was kept there. I didn’t speak to a lawyer or anything,” he continued. “I didn’t interact with nobody for three days. And then when I do see the light of day, I go straight to another police station, go straight there to county and be processed.” Terry detailed being handcuffed in one room at Homan Square by one wrist to a “little circular thing behind the bench”, echoing the accounts of the two Nato protesters interviewed by the Guardian, though Terry said he did not have his ankles cuffed together. full: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/27/chicago-abusive-confinment-homan-square _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chechnya/Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Feb 28, 2015, at 4:39 AM, Ron J via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: …I find the excuse you provide Bandera reprehensible. He was a fascist. On Feb 28, 2015, at 4:41 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: People want to understand why Stephen Bandera lined up with the Nazis? In many ways, they were the lesser evil as far as Ukrainians were concerned. In essence, the main reason countries bordering the USSR orient to NATO today is because of this sordid past. Until the rehabilitation of Bandera by the pro-NATO Ukrainian nationalist parties now in power in Kiev, the great majority of Ukrainians did not regard Bandera as “the lesser evil” and supported the Soviet Union and the Red Army - even under Stalin! - against the fascist bands allied to the Nazis. They did so both actively during World War II and beyond it in their historical memory. This was true both of the predominantly Russian-speaking regions in the east and of the predominantly Ukrainian-speaking regions in the west. If attitudes have changed, as one would have reason to expect, it is as a result of the very recent events which have torn the country apart, not because of the “sordid past” of the USSR. The 2012 KIIS Survey shows that the absolute majority of the residents of Ukraine, given a choice of the various forces active in Ukraine during World War II, support most the Soviet Army (75%). In addition, 4% favor the Soviet partisans. The Ukrainian Insurgent Army [militia led by ultrarightist Stephan Bandera] is a choice of 8% of the respondents. In contrast, only 1% support the German Army. The relative majorities (41% each) of adult Ukrainians have negative views of both Joseph Stalin and [Bandera cohort] Roman Shukhevych during the war. However, a much greater percentage (32%) hold very positive or mostly positive views of the wartime activities of Stalin, compared to Shukhevych (14%).” See: https://www.academia.edu/3378079/The_Politics_of_World_War_II_in_Contemporary_Ukraine _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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Re: [Marxism] Chechnya/Ukraine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I agree with you regarding Putin. However, I find the excuse you provide Bandera reprehensible. He was a fascist. On Feb 28, 2015, at 4:41 AM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: On 2/27/15 8:27 PM, Ron J wrote: Please. The situations are quite different (fir example, ukrainians were not stolen from their land, placed in chains and sold into slavery, nor did the Panthers align themselves with nazis or bankers to win their battles) also, the argument I am making is not denying the Ukrainian plaint against Russia. Your argument, however, seems to be denying the crucial role played by NATO and Washington in the current situation. In fact the Ukrainians suffered the loss of somewhere between 2.5 to 7.5 million people in 1932 to 1934 because of Stalin's forced collectivization. The people who tend to adopt anti-imperialist formulas argue for a smaller number and describe the deaths almost as accidental like workers dying in construction jobs on a crash project. Go to Grover Furr's website if you want to see some of that crap. People want to understand why Stephen Bandera lined up with the Nazis? In many ways, they were the lesser evil as far as Ukrainians were concerned. In essence, the main reason countries bordering the USSR orient to NATO today is because of this sordid past. When the left sides with a criminal like Putin according to some febrile notion of fighting the good fight, it embarrasses itself. But of course many people like Stephen Cohen or Paul Craig Roberts seem to have been born without shame genes. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chechnya/Ukraine
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[Marxism] SYRIZA's support grows, laws targetting social crisis drafted
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[Marxism] Fwd: Putin, Fascist-Supporting Neoliberal Faux-Anti-Imperialist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Russian media has consistently presented racist, Islamophobic, fascist movements like PEGIDA, not to mention far-right Eurosceptic movements throughout Europe, in a positive light. PEGIDA marches are full of “pro-Russian verbiage” and even Russian flags. Germany’s The Local reports that the “movement is also deeply pro-Russian,” and that many “of those who participate in the walk carry Russian flags.” They hate the USSR, but understand that “the current Russian regime has nothing in common with the Soviet Union.” full: http://bennorton.com/vladimir-putin-the-fascist-supporting-neoliberal-faux-anti-imperialist/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Caliphatalism? - The American Interest
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * While atheism exists everywhere, what is rising in Mosul, and probably in Raqqa too, is a trend worth noting. When young people, once devoted Muslims, decide to stray from the Creator in anger, the future will bear the consequences. A young doctor told me he has become a heavy smoker and laughs about the extreme lengths he goes to just to get his hands on smoke after ISIS added cigarettes to its extended “taboo list.” He wrapped his amusing story with blasphemy: “If not only ISIS, but if Allah Himself comes down here to Mosul and tells me stop, I will still find a way to smoke.” This is a far cry from the man I used to know, who backed the Islamic Party in all national and local elections. ISIS is driving him crazy. full: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/02/caliphatalism/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Yasar Kemal, Master Turkish Novelist and Strident Political Critic, Is Dead
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[Marxism] Marx's crisis theory. . .
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Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NPR was reporting earlier today that a Russian government spokesman said Nemstov was probably murdered by his comrades in opposition to Putin in order to get more publicity and sympathy for their demonstration scheduled for tomorrow. Nemstov was bringing more attention to recent disclosures that *before* the Maidan upheaval Putin was planning how to annex Crimea and eastern Ukraine, i.e. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/02/21/257386/russian-news-report-ukraine-invasion.html Obviously lying and murder are no problem for the capitalist government in Moscow. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Lüko Willms marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Samstag, 28. Februar 2015 at 11:44, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote, quoting the Hearst-Paper San Francisco Chronicle: MOSCOW (AP) — A few hours after going on the radio to denounce President Vladimir Putin's policies as mad, charismatic opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was gunned down early Saturday as he walked near the Kremlin. Colleagues in Russia's beleaguered and marginalized opposition pointed fingers at the state or at assailants fired up by fervent nationalist sentiment in state-controlled news media. But Putin and other Russian politicians suggested the brazen attack was a provocation against the state. The US government kills its political opponents by remote controlled killing machines on all continents, not near the White House. Or it sends death squads in foreign countries to assasinate political opponents in their bed room. Nemtsov, 55, was shot while walking with a female companion on a bridge over the Moscow River about 400 meters (yards) from the Kremlin. Russia's Investigative Committee said at least seven shots were fired. From the article on Boris Nemtsov on en.Wikipedia.org : In November 1991, Nemtsov was appointed Governor of the Nizhny Novgorod region. He was re-elected in that position by popular vote in December 1995. His tenure was marked by the implementation of a wide-ranging, chaotic free market reform program which earned the nickname Laboratory of Reform for Nizhny Novgorod and resulted in significant economic growth for the region. Nemtsov's reforms won praise from former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who visited Nizhny Novgorod in 1993 (Chinayeva 1996, 37). In December 1993 Nemtsov was elected to the Federation Council, the upper house of the Russian Parliament. During the election campaign he was backed by Russia's Choice and Yabloko, which were then the principal liberal parties in the country. In March 1997 Nemtsov was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, with special responsibility for reform of the energy sector. He was widely popular with the public and appeared to be the lead candidate to become President of Russia in 2000. In the summer of 1997, opinion polls gave Nemtsov over 50% support as a potential presidential candidate. His political career, however, suffered a blow in August 1998 following the crash of the Russian stock-market and the ensuing economic crisis. As part of Chubais' economic team, Nemtsov was forced to resign his position of Deputy Prime Minister (Yeltsin 2000, 99). After the dismissal of Prime Minister Victor Chernomyrdin in 1998, Nemtsov was reappointed by Yeltsin to his post of Deputy Prime Minister, but again resigned shortly after when Yeltsin dissolved the government. In August 1999 Nemtsov became one of the co-founders of the Union of Rightist Forces, a new liberal-democratic coalition which received nearly 6 million votes, or 8.6%, in the parliamentary elections in December 1999. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Nemtsov committed his life to a more democratic Russia, and to strong relationships between Russia and its neighbors and partners, including the United States. Yeah, that was the value of Boris Nemtsov for the West. The democracy of Mr. Kerry is lived out in the concentration camp on the US occupied part of Cuba at the entry of the Guantanamo Bay, and earlier in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/daynegoodwin%40gmail.com
Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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Agree. Hope I didn’t leave the impression his murder was somehow justified.
On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Pollack acpolla...@gmail.com wrote:
Marv's assessment seems accurate. I mentioned in a facebook post (hopefully
not yet here, sorry if dup) that Nemtsov was surely murdered for his role in
today's antiwar protest - a protest organized by former oligarch Khodorovsky.
From the wikis of both they seem to be for closer ties to Western capital. Be
that as it may, genuine antiwar, anti-imperialist forces must characterize
this assassination openly as the horrendous crime it is.
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Marv Gandall via Marxism
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Nemtsov embodied the contradictions of most current movements for democratic
reform. Since the historic decline of the worldwide trade and socialist
movement, the fight for democratic rights against authoritarian regimes has
more often than not been coupled with an admiration for unfettered capitalism
and its iconic representatives, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Nemtsov
became the standard bearer for democratic reform in Putin’s Russia after
having previously served as a prominent figure in the preceding Yeltsin
regime which laid the foundation for the present system of crony capitalism
in the country.
On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism
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Stepan Kutuzov said:
Nemtsov was a thief and a bandit. He was killed for the cause. There and
the road.
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There and the road. If this is a translation from another language, I
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Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Caliphatalism? - The American Interest
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It may be that a significant part of the appeal of the Islamic state formation to those who come from far and near to fight under their banner is their declared intention to shatter the borders flowing from the 1916 Skyes-Picot Agreement, which agreement created artificial nation states out of the remains of the Ottoman Empire, by and for the benefit of Imperial England, France, with the assent of feeble but hopeful Imperial Russia. The Islamic State thus proceeds beyond the politics of the 20th century “Colonial Revolution,” limited to expelling the direct rule of whichever foreign power dominated, but which did not touch a hair of the old colonial physical state boundaries, in Africa or the Middle East. Destroying that antique, externally imposed organization of territory is what they do. Part of their popular appeal is a vision of a new, unitary power, opposed to the old powers and the United States, and treating the old national borders imposed from outside as enemy arrangements to be destroyed. As usual, the religious mask hides a scramble for political and economic power T -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Feb 28, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Caliphatalism? - The American Interest While atheism exists everywhere, what is rising in Mosul, and probably in Raqqa too, is a trend worth noting. When young people, once devoted Muslims, decide to stray from the Creator in anger, the future will bear the consequences. A young doctor told me he has become a heavy smoker and laughs about the extreme lengths he goes to just to get his hands on smoke after ISIS added cigarettes to its extended “taboo list.” He wrapped his amusing story with blasphemy: “If not only ISIS, but if Allah Himself comes down here to Mosul and tells me stop, I will still find a way to smoke.” This is a far cry from the man I used to know, who backed the Islamic Party in all national and local elections. ISIS is driving him crazy. full: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/02/02/caliphatalism/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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Marv's assessment seems accurate. I mentioned in a facebook post (hopefully
not yet here, sorry if dup) that Nemtsov was surely murdered for his role
in today's antiwar protest - a protest organized by former oligarch
Khodorovsky. From the wikis of both they seem to be for closer ties to
Western capital. Be that as it may, genuine antiwar, anti-imperialist
forces must characterize this assassination openly as the horrendous crime
it is.
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Nemtsov embodied the contradictions of most current movements for
democratic reform. Since the historic decline of the worldwide trade and
socialist movement, the fight for democratic rights against authoritarian
regimes has more often than not been coupled with an admiration for
unfettered capitalism and its iconic representatives, Margaret Thatcher and
Ronald Reagan. Nemtsov became the standard bearer for democratic reform in
Putin’s Russia after having previously served as a prominent figure in the
preceding Yeltsin regime which laid the foundation for the present system
of crony capitalism in the country.
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Stepan Kutuzov said:
Nemtsov was a thief and a bandit. He was killed for the cause. There and
the road.
Ken Hiebert replies:
There and the road. If this is a translation from another language, I
must say I don't get it in English.
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Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Nemtsov embodied the contradictions of most current movements for democratic reform. Since the historic decline of the worldwide trade and socialist movement, the fight for democratic rights against authoritarian regimes has more often than not been coupled with an admiration for unfettered capitalism and its iconic representatives, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Nemtsov became the standard bearer for democratic reform in Putin’s Russia after having previously served as a prominent figure in the preceding Yeltsin regime which laid the foundation for the present system of crony capitalism in the country. On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Stepan Kutuzov said: Nemtsov was a thief and a bandit. He was killed for the cause. There and the road. Ken Hiebert replies: There and the road. If this is a translation from another language, I must say I don't get it in English. Also, a quick google search for Stepan Kutuzov on Marxmail brings up no other messages. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marvgand2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You are too exaggerating role Nemtsov in Russia. No influence on the minds of Russians, he has not. Russian citizens hated him. He was popular only in liberal freaks, and in Russia they have never been popular. 28.02.2015 20:38, Andrew Pollack via Marxism пишет: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Marv's assessment seems accurate. I mentioned in a facebook post (hopefully not yet here, sorry if dup) that Nemtsov was surely murdered for his role in today's antiwar protest - a protest organized by former oligarch Khodorovsky. From the wikis of both they seem to be for closer ties to Western capital. Be that as it may, genuine antiwar, anti-imperialist forces must characterize this assassination openly as the horrendous crime it is. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Marv Gandall via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Nemtsov embodied the contradictions of most current movements for democratic reform. Since the historic decline of the worldwide trade and socialist movement, the fight for democratic rights against authoritarian regimes has more often than not been coupled with an admiration for unfettered capitalism and its iconic representatives, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Nemtsov became the standard bearer for democratic reform in Putin’s Russia after having previously served as a prominent figure in the preceding Yeltsin regime which laid the foundation for the present system of crony capitalism in the country. On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Stepan Kutuzov said: Nemtsov was a thief and a bandit. He was killed for the cause. There and the road. Ken Hiebert replies: There and the road. If this is a translation from another language, I must say I don't get it in English. Also, a quick google search for Stepan Kutuzov on Marxmail brings up no other messages. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marvgand2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/matveiy1%40yandex.ru _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Open Left statement on Nemtsov murder
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Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2/28/15 7:29 PM, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote: Nemstov was bringing more attention to recent disclosures that *before* the Maidan upheaval Putin was planning how to annex Crimea and eastern Ukraine, Actually this goes back for more than a decade. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/observers-say-russia-had-crimea-plan-for-years/496936.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A Tale of Two Countries
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