Re: [Marxism] Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, superstar -- and what Engels would have said about her
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Lou, with all due respect you would get a better sense of DSA’s composition if you attended some branch or working group meetings and talked with your comrades. On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:58 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > Millennials with a college degree. I'm sure that's exactly who is > > joining the DSA. Back in 1971 I was at the SWP conference at Oberlin > > (the New Radicalization one)... > > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/fred.r.murphy%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, superstar -- and what Engels would have said about her
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My impression is that the 250 who have joined DSA in the Salt Lake City area over the last two years are almost entirely 18 to just-over-30 years old. They seem to be a fairly representative proportional sample of some-college workers, college graduate workers, those doing some college and working, undergraduate and graduate students, graduate degree workers and teachers. Proportional representation hold ups well on gender, less well for 'people-of-color' and no-college workers. btw, i think it was the SWP's first conference held at Oberlin College in summer 1970 that should be called "the New Radicalization one" (i was there). I've often called the 1971 convention of the SWP 'the FAPO convention' (FAPO = "For a Proletarian Orientation"). On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 1:58 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > On 8/26/18 2:46 PM, Joaquin Bustelo via Marxism wrote: > > And my observation in Atlanta is that people joining DSA (here, almost > > 200 so far this year) are millennials with a college degree and a > > low-level clerical or service industry job. > > Millennials with a college degree. I'm sure that's exactly who is > joining the DSA. Back in 1971 I was at the SWP conference at Oberlin > (the New Radicalization one)... > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Waging War From a Hotel Basement: Colombian Rebels Offer Hostages and Ask for Talks
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (Strictly informational.) NY Times, August 25, 2018 Waging War From a Hotel Basement: Colombian Rebels Offer Hostages and Ask for Talks By Nicholas Casey HAVANA — The rebels have blown up oil pipelines and blasted police stations in Colombia with homemade bombs. They take over highways, shutting down parts of the country for days. They have killed soldiers in ambushes — and kept others alive as hostages of their guerrilla movement. For years, the rebel chain of command has run through Israel Ramírez Pineda, one of the five guerrilla leaders who run the last major insurgent group in Colombia, the National Liberation Army. From an old basement in an empty Havana hotel, only a short distance from where he now lives, Mr. Ramírez is demanding that the government negotiate with him, counting off the latest captives his rebel group has seized: four soldiers, three police officers and two military contractors. “A Colombian liberal leader once said a half-century ago, ‘Better to use your mouth than use your bullet,’” Mr. Ramírez told The New York Times this week in Havana, saying that he ultimately wanted to talk with the government, rather than take hostages. He added that the hostages could be released in the coming days as a gesture of good will. It comes as no small paradox that Mr. Ramírez’s stated efforts to achieve peace are based on a violent strategy that has led to dozens of killings this year alone. But for decades, armed struggle has been the mantra of his rebel group, known as the ELN, which has vowed to fight poverty with attacks on the state and those who support it. Mr. Ramírez himself has been sentenced to 39 years in jail for planning the 1999 hijacking of a Colombian airplane. Now, Mr. Ramírez — a 64-year-old commander best known by his alias, Pablo Beltrán — admits that the group’s ambitions are far less sweeping today. “We’re not asking for socialism,” he said, adding that his rebels are mainly looking for basic protections for peasants and a way that the rebels can lay down arms. In the past, such agreements have also included promises of reduced sentences for fighters who confess to crimes. But the notion of letting guerrillas off easy has turned peace talks, once the bread and butter of Colombian politics, into its political third rail. In 2016, Colombia’s largest rebel group — the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as the FARC — reached a peace agreement with the government that shielded its members from prison time. The deal officially ended more than five decades of conflict and won President Juan Manuel Santos a Nobel Peace Prize. But it also destroyed his popularity at home. Many Colombians were furious at the agreement, calling it too soft on the FARC. Voters rejected the deal in a national referendum, but then Colombian lawmakers approved it anyway, essentially overruling the electorate. The backlash helped fuel the rise of Colombia’s new president, Iván Duque, who had stoked anger against the peace deal with the FARC. Now, he must decide whether to accept the demand for peace talks with the ELN, which has stepped up attacks against the government in the past year. On the campaign trail, Mr. Duque called the ELN’s fighters criminals, saying he wouldn’t speak to them unless they first disarmed. But upon taking office on Aug. 7, Mr. Duque said he wanted a month to consider what he would do. Few see an easy path ahead for negotiating with the ELN, a guerrilla group of several thousand members founded by radical Catholic priests and Marxist rebels in 1964. Their logo is a hammer and machete crossed over South America; their motto, “Not one step back: Liberation or death.” And the realities of negotiating with the ELN present their own minefield. For years, the group had been in halting talks with Mr. Santos and even made a pledge to pause its fighting. But when the cease-fire expired, the group resumed its attacks, bombing oil installations, lobbing grenades at a military barracks and killing seven officers at one police station. As the bloodshed continued, Ecuador, which had been the site of the talks, said it would no longer host them, forcing Mr. Ramírez and his delegation to decamp to Cuba, where The Times interviewed him. “They want to show they’re not a beaten force and they’re not just signing a surrender,” said Bernard Aronson, a former American diplomat who aided negotiations with the FARC. “The question hanging over the government in negotiation with the guerrillas is whether the leadership can deliver the troops.” It’s a dilemma that has confounded Mr. Ramírez,
[Marxism] Washington, DC tourist notes | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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Re: [Marxism] Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, superstar -- and what Engels would have said about her
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Most millemials go to college. Most everybody goes to college. There are about 30,000,000 people between 18 & 24 and around 20,000,000 will go to college at any one time. Most people who want a profession are forced to have at least a master's degree through competition if not outright requirements. Education has been supersized while simultaneously cheapened intellectually, in a gigantic new tithe. God help the kid who gets to 18 without a sure sense of what she wants to do and what education she needs to buy to do it with. And who the fuck has that? Nobody tells kids the truth. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, superstar -- and what Engels would have said about her
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/26/18 2:46 PM, Joaquin Bustelo via Marxism wrote: And my observation in Atlanta is that people joining DSA (here, almost 200 so far this year) are millennials with a college degree and a low-level clerical or service industry job. Millennials with a college degree. I'm sure that's exactly who is joining the DSA. Back in 1971 I was at the SWP conference at Oberlin (the New Radicalization one) when I spotted a guy who had joined recently in Boston sitting in the lobby of the student union with a thick book in one hand and another on his knee. He was a longshoreman named John McCarthy with blonde hair down to his shoulders. I remember him vividly. What are you reading, I asked him. He told me the book in his hands was V. 1 of Capital and the book on his knee was a dictionary to help him with the words. Nobody ever talked to him except me. Most people in the Boston branch were just like Bhaskar Sunkara. Student government types like Don Gurewitz. Fast forward (as they say) to 2001 when I was coming back on the Amtrak from visiting my wife-to-be who was a graduate student in Albany. Sitting in the row adjacent to me were a couple of UPS guys. During the entire trip, all they were talking about was the Nader campaign. The "Leninists" were assholes back when I was young but they had one thing right. We had to reach dock workers and UPS workers to build the party we need to transform American society. No matter how old I get, I still have my eyes on that prize. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] New Film Reveals Life of Civil Rights Activist Jack O'Dell | Paul Buhle | Truthout
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Re: [Marxism] Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, superstar -- and what Engels would have said about her
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/24/2018 3:04 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: Can't figure out why Corey Robin and Bhaskar Sunkara keep promoting socialism, at least as they see it, in the Washington Post and the NY Times. You'd assume that the Daily News, read by subway workers et al (at least those that still read newspapers), would be a more suitable location. I guess they are trying to reach other academics, or in Bhaskar's case, businessmen. No one outside New York reads the Daily News. And my observation in Atlanta is that people joining DSA (here, almost 200 so far this year) are millennials with a college degree and a low-level clerical or service industry job. The more serious ones with a few bucks to spare subscribe to the New York Times digital edition, just as many politically serious boomers read the NYT when we were their age (if we could get our hands on it outside New York). So for example the chair of our chapter led a Jacobin reading group and was driving Uber to try to survive (I think he recently got a more regular job). And if I remember right, he follows the NYT. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] An Artist Warns of a Robot-Ruled Future. Or Is It Our Present? Let’s Discuss. - The New York Times
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * “Asia One” transports viewers to a high-tech warehouse near Shanghai, staffed by only two workers — a smiling porcelain robot nearby scans their every move — who oversee the automated distribution of hundreds of thousands of packages. The near-absence of human workers may feel like the stuff of fantasy, but it’s not. The film was shot principally at the newest warehouse of JD.com, a $48 billion company often (inexactly) called the Amazon of China, where robots handle almost everything. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/arts/design/cao-fei-china-guggenheim-discussion.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Left-Wing Orientalism: The Curious Case of Patrick Cockburn – P U L S E
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/26/18 9:15 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote: YES -- there are material reasons for conflict but OFTEN TIMES, the conflict gets taken over by narratives that hark back centuries as ways to capture consciousness --- so maybe the proximate cause is rooted in the material world but actors in the struggle know how to push religious buttons --- Isn't that what Cockburn is arguing?? Cockburn might have been a reliable reporter when it came to Iraq but nearly everything he wrote about Syria had to be taken with a grain of salt, maybe a wheelbarrow. In 2012, he wrote an article in the Independent titled "All the evidence points to sectarian civil war in Syria, but no one wants to admit it" (https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/patrick-cockburn-all-the-evidence-points-to-sectarian-civil-war-in-syria-but-no-one-wants-to-admit-6785682.html) that referred to two suicide bombers striking security compounds in Aleppo, killing 28 people and wounding 235 others. Whatever you think of Al-Nusra that carried out this attack, they were striking a legitimate military target as the NY Times reported: "The group, Al Nusra Front for the People of the Levant, posted a statement on the Internet with details of what it called a three-stage attack on a compound run by a branch of the air force intelligence service in Harasta, on the edge of Damascus. It released a video showing nighttime blasts that it said were set off by vehicles packed with explosives." How does such an attack qualify as sectarian? During the war in Iraq, Shia mosques were routinely attacked by jihadists. Can't Cockburn tell the difference between blowing up a mosque and blowing up the Baathist air force intelligence headquarters? What were they supposed to do? Use one of their jet fighters to bomb those facilities? I am always reminded of that scene in "Battle of Algiers" when the French officer asks why the FLN was setting off bombs. His reply: give us some of your jets and we will use them instead. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [UCE] Re: [UCE] Left-Wing Orientalism: The Curious Case of Patrick Cockburn – P U L S E
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[Marxism] The Fed’s star-gazing | Michael Roberts Blog
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[Marxism] data for planning
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[Marxism] Is Israel's hidden hand behind the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn?
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[Marxism] Israeli PM Netanyahu Courting Right to Split Europe, Stop Palestinian State
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[Marxism] US-Led Coalition To Establish New Military Position In Deir Ezzor
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