[Marxism] Syria, the YPG/SDF, and the concept of solidarity
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I've given this its own thread because it was a bit off-topic where it was. When Chris explained, not wrongly, that liberation movements sometimes have to make deals with the devil for the purposes of survival, referring to the SDF's alliance with US imperialism in Syria, I noted that while this is true, it is even more important to build alliances with other people struggling. Therefore, I asked if there had been any statement from the PYD/YPG/SDF condemning the current Idlib-Hama massacre. Chris responded: “I am not aware of any such statements. I am also not aware of any statements by rebel groups in Idlib and Hama denouncing the Turkish invasion and occupation of Afrin. If such statements exist I would like to see them.” The context here is that the people of Idlib and Hama are being mass murdered for months on end now, in a truly frightening round of barbarism, while the world ignores it (if I go all conspiracist I might even suggest that the theatrics in the Gulf which, as I predicted, have not led to a shot being fired, are designed as a good cover for Putin and Assad “finishing the job”, while the US has now even joined in https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/us-targets-al-qaida-militants-northern-syria, following the US-Russia-Israel summit in Jerusalem https://www.albawaba.com/news/us-takes-calm-steps-contain-iran%E2%80%99s-presence-syria-1296303?fbclid=IwAR3HuUouso4Bvj9EnE83o00ZLQ9aISmH176vklF6RdqNgcNVQ7xMYvis-MQ, but anyway …). So, in this context, I am asking for statements from the SDF, PYD etc of solidarity with *the people* being massacred, as literally dozens of hospitals and schools are being hit, by a global imperialist power intervening in the affairs of an oppressed country. I’m not expecting them to express solidarity with the rebel groups defending the region, or their politics. But never mind, I realise that’s asking a bit much. Of course, the vast majority of those around the world who have supported the Syrian revolution over these years condemned the invasion of Afrin and the participation in it by some of the rebel groups there. You’re right, other rebel leaderships not taking direct part did not condemn it. The political quality of leadership of the revolution in Syria has never been a factor cited as a reason to support the people’s uprising. That’s a pity, and part of the reason for their defeat, but that’s reality emerging from decades of totalitarian rule. Hell, we supported the “Iranian revolution” in 1978-79, in a case where the equivalent of Jabhat al-Nusra (ie, the Khomeini forces) was the central, undisguised, unrivalled leadership; predictably the result was disastrous, but I’ve never heard anyone go all Spart on the actual overthrow of the Shah; and in contrast to that situation, leadership in Syria was always much more contested; and the Khomeini equivalent, Nusra,. Was never more than 10-15% of the armed rebellion (but a bigger proportion now in Idlib). Meanwhile, if the SDF can justify years of collaboration with US imperialism in 5 years of bombing Syria, even levelling entire cities and killing thousands of civilians, on the basis of the SDF being under siege by ISIS or by Turkey, then surely those who are *actually* under armed and bloody, near genocidal, siege for years might have the same rationale, no? And given that it is only Turkey which, for its own reasons (it doesn’t want 100s of 1000s more refugees pouring in), that is giving some active assistance to the cornered Idlib-Hama rebels, it seems all the more reason for them not to be criticising Turkey at this point. I’m not justifying, just noting the situation. By contrast, the SDF in (allegedly) the same circumstances (well, nothing like the same, but anyway …) would perhaps be justified going quiet on criticising its protector, US imperialism. So what excuse does it have for not criticising Assad? Seems to me the difference is that those who chose to narrowly support only Rojava rather than the rest of the uprising do so on the basis of the quality of the political leadership, seeing it as socialist, feminist, left-wing, revolutionary etc. That is quite different to the reasons we support the Syrian uprising more generally. And it is in that spirit that I ask the question. Saying “neither do the others say the right thing” is therefore irrelevant. If the PYD/SDF is unable to issue a sim-ple statement condemning this bloody massacre occurring under their noses, then all the chatter about “Rojava revolutionaries” being somewhat exceptional are just bunk. There’s this thing important to revolutionary politics called *solidarity*. But this word does not exist in
[Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-FedHist]: Offenburger on Williams, 'Custer and the Sioux, Durnford and the Zulus: Parallels in the American and British Defeats at the Little Bighorn and Isandlwana'
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Subject: H-Net Review [H-FedHist]: Offenburger on Williams, 'Custer and the
Sioux, Durnford and the Zulus: Parallels in the American and British
Defeats at the Little Bighorn and Isandlwana'
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Paul Williams. Custer and the Sioux, Durnford and the Zulus:
Parallels in the American and British Defeats at the Little Bighorn
and Isandlwana. Jefferson McFarland, 2015. 220 pp. $39.95
(paper), ISBN 978-0-7864-9794-2.
Reviewed by Andrew Offenburger (Miami University of Ohio)
Published on H-FedHist (July, 2019)
Commissioned by Caryn E. Neumann
Offenburger on Williams, _Custer and the Sioux, Durnford and the
Zulus: Parallels in the American and British Defeats at the Little
Bighorn and Isandlwana_
The defeat of General George Custer and US forces at Little Bighorn
(1876) and that of Major Anthony Durnford and the British at
Isandlwana (1879) are tantalizing events for scholars of comparative
history. Separated by only three years and popularly remembered
through a "last stand" interpretive framework, these events offer
clear controls and variables to scholars interested in exploring the
similarities and differences of US and British empire in the latter
nineteenth century.
James Gump first picked up this comparison for his _The Dust Rose
Like Smoke: The Subjugation of the Zulu and the Sioux_ (1994), a
study that has shaped scholars' thinking on comparative frontier
history ever since. More on this in a moment. Paul Williams's book,
published by McFarland Company, narrates the emergence,
engagement, and aftermath of these two battles along parallel
trajectories, switching from one to the other within chapters. The
most substantive connection examines the lives and careers of Custer
and Durnford. The remaining links are fleeting similes in
introductory clauses. For example, Williams writes that the Sioux,
"like the Zulu, represented a constant military threat to a nation
determined upon expansion" (p. 22). More often, though, the two cases
are simply separated by a line of three asterisks. At its core, this
is a book of parallel narration, not one of analysis.
The only interpretive work is in the prologue, a brief, generalized
narrative, four paragraphs long, crafted to describe either military
defeat. This sets up the twelve-chapter structure meant to showcase
the historical similarities ("The Land Is Ours," "Deception and
Deceit," "The Impossible Ultimatum," "The Three-Column Plan," "The
Last Man, the Last Bullet," and, among others, "So Who Was to
Blame?"). Beyond this gesture and the chapter structure, all
interpretation is left to the reader. There is no conclusion to wrap
up themes, neither resonances nor dissonances.
This book therefore misses the whole purpose of comparative history
and why readers would buy such a study in the first place. Without
it, we would do better to consult individual books on each setting,
many of which Williams cites. As a result, this book lacks meaningful
insights offered by Gump in his well-known study of the exact same
topic; Gump's chapter on "Collaborators of a Kind," for example,
delves into how arbiters like Red Cloud and Cetshwayo, in their own
contexts, "served as major mediators" working with others who sought
"a peaceful transition to political stability and economic
prosperity" (quoted, p. 55).
Bizarrely, Williams does not address Gump's scholarship in any
meaningful way. One wonders how such a specialized
publication--addressing the exact same comparison--can conscionably
ignore a groundbreaking predecessor. The author does _cite _Gump's
work, including it in 4 of 414 endnotes: once for the quotation in
this review's third paragraph, once for military details (pp.
118-19), once for a poem on Isandlwana (p. 173), and once to quote
Walt Whitman's poem on Custer's death and the "fatal environment" (p.
148, also the title of Richard Slotkin's acclaimed book, which
analyzes the memory of Little Bighorn in detail).
Yet, considering how this book replicates such a unique approach to
the past, one would expect a substantial portion of text--part of a
chapter, a section of the introduction, or even a paragraph or two in
the main text--to engage Gump's scholarship. It is as if one were
writing about the Great Lakes region and Native American history as a
"middle ground" without discussing Richard White (but citing him).
Such an oversight might be excusable in a book that had not gone
through the peer-review process; in fact, it appears that Williams
had this book published originally as _Little Bighorn
Isandlwana: Kindred
Re: [Marxism] Black Agenda Report: Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Regarding what Glen Ford does or does not think, I would suggest emailing him, he is very responsive and I have had very fruitful exchanges with him in the past few years. You do, however, have one point that I would answer to directly because there's ample evidence that is easy to discover on the web from mainstream forums and media outlets: You write "Obama's failures" It depends on how you look at things. In my view, Obama has made plenty of statements since exiting office that he was a success and made great achievements on behalf of his donors. He and Arne Duncan busted the teachers union in Central Falls, RI, near where I live. They proliferated charter schools out the wazoo. They gave more infrastructure elements within education away to the tech oligarchy. That's an accomplishment in the eyes of the donors. He brought Social Security closer to privatization with his presidential appointments to the trustees board and nearly pulled it off as part of his Grand Bargain with Paul Ryan, something his economics guru Larry Summers had been advocating since the Clinton era < https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/10/30/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social-security/ > The Affordable Care Act's structural design incentivized employers to only hire part-time workers in order to duck having to insure their workers, which in turn diminished union density, something shown by the study by economists at Harvard and Princeton that demonstrated 95% of job growth under Obama was in the gig economy < https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all-job-growth-during-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057 > It's a jaded and cynical look at his legacy, I cede that readily, but it also seems pretty obvious given how miserable things were when he left office. -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart Just read the piece -- does the author really think that there is some "committee" of the ruling class that gave Harris "permission" to savage Biden in the debate?? Or was that just a writing rhetorical flourish that I'm too much of a philistine to understand? Does the writer think that there is no SIGNIFICANT difference between another four years of Trump or a capitalist Democrat --- for real effects on real people?? https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime-- It is hard to fight austerity --- but the ruling class is NOT completely united in support of austerity --- (witness the period between WW II and 1970 when austerity was NOT the rule true "prosperity" was bought via military Keynesianism and hot wars in Korea and Indochina --- but there was also a big expansion of the US version of Social Democracy --- and an immigration reform in 1965 and the end of Apartheid, US style --- ) Progress is possible even without a revolution --- and each step in the right direction creates space for REAL change just as the triumps of Bush II and Trump (and Obama's failures) moved us backwards _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Venezuelan government slams ‘biased’ UN human rights report
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Re: [Marxism] Black Agenda Report: Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Just read the piece -- does the author really think that there is some "committee" of the ruling class that gave Harris "permission" to savage Biden in the debate?? Or was that just a writing rhetorical flourish that I'm too much of a philistine to understand? Does the writer think that there is no SIGNIFICANT difference between another four years of Trump or a capitalist Democrat --- for real effects on real people?? https://blackagendareport.com/sanders-vs-endless-austerity-regime-- It is hard to fight austerity --- but the ruling class is NOT completely united in support of austerity --- (witness the period between WW II and 1970 when austerity was NOT the rule true "prosperity" was bought via military Keynesianism and hot wars in Korea and Indochina --- but there was also a big expansion of the US version of Social Democracy --- and an immigration reform in 1965 and the end of Apartheid, US style --- ) Progress is possible even without a revolution --- and each step in the right direction creates space for REAL change just as the triumps of Bush II and Trump (and Obama's failures) moved us backwards _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [UCE] Vera Afanasyeva: Russophobia – The Russian Reader
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[Marxism] Thomas Volscho,,Associate Professor of Sociology
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[Marxism] Black Agenda Report: Sanders vs the Endless Austerity Regime
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[Marxism] What is Red Scare, the Chapo Trap House Adjacent Podcast of the Dirtbag Left?
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[Marxism] School by day, assembly line by night: How teachers in South Carolina make ends meet
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Re: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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Re: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I am not aware of any such statements. I am also not aware of any statements by rebel groups in Idlib and Hama denouncing the Turkish invasion and occupation of Afrin. If such statements exist I would like to see them. The dependence of rebel groups in northern Syria on Turkish material support has led to the cooption of many of them. Some Idlib-based groups participated in the Turkish invasion of Afrin. Thus Turkey has been very successful in its policy of divide and rule. Chris Slee From: mkaradjis . Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 9:00:29 PM To: Chris Slee; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist Chris, since movements that are under some kind of siege need to build alliances first and foremost among other people struggling (regardless of whether there might still be a necessity to deal with the devil as you describe), could you please send through any statements of solidarity by the "Rojava revolutionaries" with the people being mass murdered in Idlib and Hama for months on end now by the regime and Russian imperialism, with literally dozens of hospitals and schools being bombed, at least 500 killed and 100s of 1000s displaced. Thanks. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 5:59 PM Chris Slee via Marxism mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote: Today two examples are Venezuela receiving aid from Russia and the Syrian Democratic Forces receiving aid from the US. Such aid always involves the danger of cooption and degeneration. But this is not inevitable. Whether a movement gets coopted depends on a range of local and international factors. For example, if the Turkish government stopped threatening to invade northeastern Syria, the SDF would no longer need US support to deter such an invasion, and the danger of cooption would be reduced. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-CivWar]: Stith on Mauldin, 'Unredeemed Land: An Environmental History of Civil War and Emancipation in the Cotton South'
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -- Forwarded message - From: H-Net Staff via H-REVIEW Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:52 AM Subject: H-Net Review [H-CivWar]: Stith on Mauldin, 'Unredeemed Land: An Environmental History of Civil War and Emancipation in the Cotton South' To: Cc: H-Net Staff Erin Stewart Mauldin. Unredeemed Land: An Environmental History of Civil War and Emancipation in the Cotton South. New York Oxford University Press, 2018. 256 pp. $35.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-19-086517-7. Reviewed by Matthew M. Stith (University of Texas at Tyler) Published on H-CivWar (July, 2019) Commissioned by G. David Schieffler The best ideas often refocus our attention on what was there all along. Erin Stewart Mauldin's _Unredeemed Land_ is no exception. At its heart, Mauldin's work is a story of the tumultuous evolution of the cotton South from 1840 to 1880 through a carefully focused environmental, primarily agricultural, lens. Along with R. Douglas Hurt's _Agriculture and the Confederacy: Policy, Productivity, and Power in the Civil War South_ (2015), Mauldin's contribution is among the first to fully examine southern agriculture and landscapes and how they shaped the war--and how they were shaped by it. While Hurt focuses primarily on the Civil War years, Mauldin places the cotton South in wider chronological perspective. Few works on the Civil War South do not, at least in the periphery, invoke landscapes, agriculture, or the environment in general. To be sure, the South's natural and built environment underscored the military, political, cultural, and economic course of the conflict. But, to date, surprisingly little attention has been allotted to the environment as a key, perhaps _the_ key, player in influencing the war and its aftermath. To this end, Mauldin injects fresh and valuable insight into our understanding of the interplay between southern agriculture and the Civil War. The Civil War era marked a significant shift in the natural and economic contours of southern landscapes. Mauldin makes clear that the war highlighted inherent weaknesses in the southern agricultural system--problems that had been masked and "delayed by territorial expansion and the use of slave labor to create and maintain agricultural landscapes" (p. 9). In sum, she explains, the southern system needed to grow to live. Built squarely on agriculture-based slavery, the prewar South relied on continuous expansion and land exploitation to survive. The war exacerbated and accelerated the built environment's devolution, leaving in its wake a shattered land and broken economy. For Mauldin, the conflict "drastically altered the rhythms of southern agricultural life and livelihood by accelerating prewar environmental change, removing necessary resources and labor, and preventing expansion" (p. 160). Environmental historians of the Civil War have made clear the environment's ubiquitous role in the conflict. Mauldin appropriately engages this historiographical discussion, and she contends that wartime southern agriculture served at once to help Union soldiers and to hurt their Confederate counterparts. Free range livestock, food crops, fence rails, and a variety of other agricultural products helped supply occupying federal armies. By mid-war, the slave-based labor system that had sustained southern agriculture began to dissolve. And the South's dogged reliance on a primarily agricultural, slave-based economy meant that other necessities for war might only come from a great distance. The Union blockade and protruding military movements deep into the South effectively rendered such supply chains problematic. For Mauldin, all this "made the region particularly vulnerable to standard military practices" and "helps to explain why the South was affected so dramatically by the Civil War" (p. 160). She is right. A society and culture based so intensely on the built environment will invariably fall much harder when war is focused as much on the home front as on the battlefront. Although the land's war wounds quickly healed, they were reopened by intensive, exploitive, and expansive agricultural practices in the decades following the war. This era of "King Cotton" flooded the market with far more cotton than ever before. It reoriented the political, social, and racial systems nearer prewar levels with a new energy toward white southern redemption. But it also brought the southern agricultural system (and the southern environment) to its knees. Indeed, as Mauldin argues, "because of the ecological legacies of the Civil War and emancipation, the southern environment remained unredeemed" (p. 7). Such analysis of the New South's direct and
[Marxism] Polish Parliament Votes to Criminalize Communist Ideas
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[Marxism] We Have Mother Jones to Thank for Michael Moore | Washington Babylon
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[Marxism] Redwashing capital – Uneven Earth
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[Marxism] [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Redwashing capital – Uneven Earth
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[Marxism] A Ferocious Heat in Delhi | by Nilanjana Roy | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books
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[Marxism] The American Dark Money Behind Europe’s Far Right | by Mary Fitzgerald | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books
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Re: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chris, since movements that are under some kind of siege need to build alliances first and foremost among other people struggling (regardless of whether there might still be a necessity to deal with the devil as you describe), could you please send through any statements of solidarity by the "Rojava revolutionaries" with the people being mass murdered in Idlib and Hama for months on end now by the regime and Russian imperialism, with literally dozens of hospitals and schools being bombed, at least 500 killed and 100s of 1000s displaced. Thanks. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 5:59 PM Chris Slee via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > Today two examples are Venezuela receiving aid from Russia and the Syrian > Democratic Forces receiving aid from the US. > > Such aid always involves the danger of cooption and degeneration. But > this is not inevitable. Whether a movement gets coopted depends on a range > of local and international factors. > > For example, if the Turkish government stopped threatening to invade > northeastern Syria, the SDF would no longer need US support to deter such > an invasion, and the danger of cooption would be reduced. > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis Proyect says: "Looking back at the history of the radical movement, you will find many attempts to take advantage of imperialist rivalry". Today two examples are Venezuela receiving aid from Russia and the Syrian Democratic Forces receiving aid from the US. Such aid always involves the danger of cooption and degeneration. But this is not inevitable. Whether a movement gets coopted depends on a range of local and international factors. For example, if the Turkish government stopped threatening to invade northeastern Syria, the SDF would no longer need US support to deter such an invasion, and the danger of cooption would be reduced. Similarly, if the US government ended its economic blockade of Venezuela, the Venezuelan govrrnment would be less reliant on Russia and China. This highlights the importance of people in the United States campaigning against the blockade of Venezuela, and people in Turkey campaigning against the occupation of Afrin and threats to northeastern Syria. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of Louis Proyect via Marxism Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 5:04:16 AM To: Chris Slee Subject: [Marxism] Gray Zone versus the deep state, regime change, Trotskyite devils | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://louisproyect.org/2019/07/10/gray-zone-versus-the-deep-state-regime-change-trotskyite-devils/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Great Power Rivalry in the Early Twenty-first Century (Article in the US journal 'New Politics')
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Below is the link to an article on the Great Power rivalry in the early 21^st century, written by Michael Pröbsting. It was published by the US journal “New Politics” in its edition of summer 2019 (New Politics Vol. XVIII No. 3, Whole Number 67). Read more at https://newpol.org/issue_post/great-power-rivalry-in-the-early-twenty-first-century/ -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
