[Marxism] Paul Krassner Dead: Yippies Founder Was 87 – Variety
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[Marxism] Does a "left" Democrat stand the best chance of defeating Trump?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "Does a “left” Democrat – Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren – stand the best chance of defeating Trump next year? They and their supporters argue that such a candidate would enthuse a whole layer of people who normally don’t vote, thereby winning the election. The mainstream Democrats say that the swing voters – mainly middle class whites who often vote Republican but swung to the Democrats in the 2018 election – would be turned off by such calls as Medicare for all and would, therefore, tend to support Trump. "What is the evidence for these two arguments? A lot can change between now and the elections, but a recent NY Times article seems to shed some light on the issue as of now." How can a the working class start to exert its influence in society? These and related issues are dealt with in this article. https://oaklandsocialist.com/2019/07/21/does-a-left-democrat-stand-the-best-chance-of-defeating-trump/ John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'd be very wary about ruling that 'agriculture' is/was an advance on hunter gathering. Aside from the fact that both systems so often co-exist in the same region (such as Central America during the time of the Maya culture), in places like New Guinea agriculture was embraced initially 7,000 – 10,000 years ago. http://press-files.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p53311/pdf/history.pdf But it used to be argued that across the Torres Strait --despite the example -- Australian aborigines chose not to farm, when in fact they were the first farmers on the planet. Indeed, when you look at the phenomenon of agriculture it all depends on what is at hand in way of plants...and access to water. And how you manage it. Across the Mediterranean, it's tempting to rule that the agricultural protocols that grew out of the Fertile Crescent were an ecological disaster. A feature that even Frederick Engels noted.This was the price paid for successive civilisations. Was it the wheat and olives or was it the plough? Similarly, you cannot separate the supposed difference between the agricultural and 'hunter gatherer' lifestyle without reference to changes in climate.Nor can you infer that the 'hunter gatherer' didn't know what their patch of existence was capable of. In that sense 'agriculture' isn't so much an 'invention' but an extension. A different approach to stewardship. The real question, I guess, isn't so much the invention of agriculture, but the invention of surplus. In my region -- in Gubi Gubi country -- it is very clear that the land was bountiful and the culture rich. That there was no reason to ratchet up the demands made of the landscape. Disaster struck, of course, and I can stand on the beach here and look out to where that tragedy began -- where the Brits first arrived to this place then invaded. But let's get this clear: aside from the gun, what savaged the Gubi Gubi economy was disease. Then the dispossession. What's happening now -- across Australia -- is an attempt to embrace Aboriginal landcare practices. This may be as a small movement at the moment but with fire management, for instance, there is a major deference. There is also a major debate growing around the traditional practice of indigenous management of river systems. You can't live in a land for 60,000+ years without knowing what's what. Indeed, there is no future -- no future -- for Australian agriculture without learning -- and applying --from the Aboriginal tradition of what was supposedly 'hunter gathering'. dave riley dave riley . _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Director Oliver Stone tells Putin that Russia’s anti-gay law is “sensible” / LGBTQ Nation
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Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'm not referring to the violent onslaught against the native peoples but "the Great Dying." The arrival of European (and African) diseases cut through native populations years ahead of the advancing line of white settlement. Entire sections of the Ohio valley that had supported an extensive population before imploded to a fraction of what they had been. Whites generally encountered no resident native populations in much of West Virginia and Kentucky, though there's plenty of archaeological evidence that there had been earlier. This population collapse was even more dramatic in the Deep South. The expedition of Hernando de Soto (ca. 1540-41) recorded the presence of dozens of stable, well-populated towns. Only a few were recorded when La Salle came through the region (around 1680) came through the same area. My point was that the game and the fish populations bounced back and then some. Buffalo turned up in parts of the country east of the Mississippi where it apparently hadn't been for many generations, if ever. The first whites in this part of the river talked about fish so thick in the river that you couldn't paddle a canoe without hitting them. For a concise overview of this, see Roger Kennedy's _Hidden Cities_, https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t_sp=SearchF-_-home-_-Results=Kennedy=%22hidden+cities%22== But new material on this has been coming out for years, the latest I encountered being https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261 Cheers, Mark L. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Reflections on the Samuel Farber/Todd Chretien exchange | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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Re: [Marxism] Which Way to Socialism?
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[Marxism] Fwd: H-Net Review [H-Diplo]: Bryan Jr. on Strang, 'Frontiers of Science: Imperialism and Natural Knowledge in the Gulf South Borderlands, 1500-1850'
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -- Forwarded message - From: H-Net Staff via H-REVIEW Date: Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 8:09 AM Subject: H-Net Review [H-Diplo]: Bryan Jr. on Strang, 'Frontiers of Science: Imperialism and Natural Knowledge in the Gulf South Borderlands, 1500-1850' To: Cc: H-Net Staff Cameron B. Strang. Frontiers of Science: Imperialism and Natural Knowledge in the Gulf South Borderlands, 1500-1850. Chapel Hill University of North Carolina Press, 2018. 376 pp. (cloth), ISBN 978-1-4696-4047-1. Reviewed by Jimmy L. Bryan Jr. (Lamar University) Published on H-Diplo (July, 2019) Commissioned by Seth Offenbach The Pursuit of Natural Knowledge and Empire in the Gulf South Philosophers and scholars as early as Francis Bacon (attributed, 1597) have understood that _scientia potestas est--_knowledge is power. As James Delbourgo and Nicholas Dew reveal in the introduction to their anthology, _Science and Empire in the Atlantic World _(2008), Bacon had early recognized the convergence of the acquisition of knowledge with the pursuit of empire. Later generations of historians may have forgotten this maxim, presenting the age of New World exploration as either romanticized quests to chart new geographies or as unfortunate enterprises that happily facilitated the advancement of science. In recent years, however, a cadre of Atlantic world scholars have recovered Bacon's insight. Along with Delbourgo and Dew, Londa Schielbinger, Jorge Cañizares-Esquerra, Arndt Brendecke, and others argue that knowledge was an exploitable resource that fueled European empires in Africa and the Americas. They further illustrate that "natural knowledge" was a commodity generated, contested, and bartered locally by native peoples and colonial agents within the fringes of imperial influence.[1] With _Frontiers of Science_, Cameron B. Strang applies these lessons to the region of North America that would become the US Gulf South. He ranges geographically from Florida to Texas and temporally from the sixteenth-century Spanish _entradas_ to the 1830s Second Seminole War. Strang's work is expansive and rooted in thorough research in Spanish, French, British, and US archives. He distinguishes between "natural knowledge"--the wisdom of nature--and science, which represents a learned, systematic method of acquiring and understanding information, including natural knowledge. He also emphasizes "local knowledge" employed by indigenes, slaves, and colonial settlers. The author convincingly demonstrates that the Gulf South, like other parts of the Atlantic world, witnessed the collisions of imperial and local agents in a contest that centered around the acquisition and exploitation of natural knowledge. Strang shows how the dissemination of ideas, the cataloging of data, and the innovation of new skills occurred within a "polycentric web" (p. 23) that bound metropolis to borderland. European and US regimes used natural knowledge to expand into and seek control of the Gulf South, while Native Americans, African American slaves, creoles, and colonial settlers used it to subvert imperial forces. This pursuit of knowledge was not an altruistic endeavor. It was not the fortuitous byproduct of empire. Along with violence, Strang confirms, natural knowledge was the essential instrument of empire. "If there is a unifying thread that runs through the history of natural knowledge in America," Strang concludes, "it is not the influence of liberty but the persistence of imperialism" (p. 344). To illustrate these findings, Strang employs the case-study approach, selecting examples from across a three-hundred-year span. Spanish _adelantados_ and Franciscan missionaries in Florida relied upon the patronage and cartographic knowledge of indigenous groups. Spaniards and natives both invested prestige into rare items that led to a "shared ambition" that generated a "web of exchange that blurred Indian and Atlantic networks of knowledge and power" (p. 73). The experiences of Antonio de Ulloa, the Spanish naturalist and governor of Louisiana, along with slaves Carlos and Cipion confirmed that "no group, including the Spanish Empire, was powerful enough to access, share, verify, and apply power-promoting knowledge in isolation" (p. 127). The examples of William Dunbar and Thomas Power revealed that shifting loyalties and shifting boundaries not only created environments of innovation but also of rampant self-interest. As the United States entered the Gulf South in the early nineteenth century, its agents perpetuated the same processes of their imperial forebears, but they placed a greater emphasis on racial hierarchies. They used science as a crucial
Re: [Marxism] Which Way to Socialism?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Is there a corresponding video for this one? -- Best regards, Andrew Stewart Message: 4 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:17:20 -0400 From: Louis Proyect To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: [Marxism] Which Way to Socialism? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Eric Blanc vs Charles Post, from the HM Conference in NYC this year. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/socialism-revolution-electoral-politics-mass-action _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/21/19 3:58 PM, Mark Lause wrote: The problem with any American examples is that Lewis and Clark or others of the first whites recording their impressions of an area new to them were actually looking at the result of several generations of collapsing human populations. This isn't to dismiss the anecdotal evidence, but to put it into context. Mark, if you're referring to genocide against the Indians, I am not sure this was the case in 1804. Except for the Northeast, Indians were still pretty strong socially especially the major groups like the Comanches, the Blackfoot and the Lakota. Can you say a bit more? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The problem with any American examples is that Lewis and Clark or others of the first whites recording their impressions of an area new to them were actually looking at the result of several generations of collapsing human populations. This isn't to dismiss the anecdotal evidence, but to put it into context. On the other hand, even the earliest agriculture--and what came with it--had a serious impact on the environment. George Perkins Marsh compiled a lot of information on the deforestation of the Levant for his _Man and Nature_ (1864). Recent work also indicates large populations and agriculture in central Asia contributed to its desertification. Not that we have any choice at this stage. Cheers, Mark L. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] ‘The Antithesis of Bolsonaro’: A Gay Couple Roils Brazil’s Far Right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (I have big problems with Glenn Greenwald but I am glad to see his stand against Brazil's Donald Trump.) NY Times, July 21, 2019 ‘The Antithesis of Bolsonaro’: A Gay Couple Roils Brazil’s Far Right By Ernesto Londoño RIO DE JANEIRO — The votes had been tallied, and the skies of Rio de Janeiro crackled with fireworks as supporters celebrated the decisive election of a far-right populist, Jair Bolsonaro, as Brazil’s president. But not everyone was jubilant. David Miranda, a socialist Rio de Janeiro council member who had campaigned for Congress, reached for a bottle that October night to mourn his electoral loss. His husband, Glenn Greenwald, a spitfire American journalist, popped a Xanax. The political era that dawned felt like a gut punch for the gay, biracial couple. “We are the antithesis of Bolsonaro,” Mr. Miranda said in an interview. “We’re everything they hate.” Since then, the two men find themselves on the front lines of the country’s increasingly bitter political divide. In June, Mr. Greenwald’s news organization published reports suggesting that Mr. Bolsonaro’s main opponent in the race was improperly jailed just six months before the election, raising serious questions about the legitimacy of Mr. Bolsonaro’s victory and testing the mettle of Brazil’s democratic institutions. Now, Mr. Greenwald and Mr. Miranda — who ultimately took a seat in Congress — are under attack by Mr. Bolsonaro and his allies. They have faced death threats and, according to a conservative Brazilian website, the federal police are investigating Mr. Greenwald’s finances. Government officials have neither confirmed nor denied the report, but the suggestion that Mr. Greenwald is being targeted by the state for his news reports has ignited an outcry over press freedom in Brazil. Mr. Greenwald — one of the two journalists who obtained and disseminated the trove of secret intelligence documents leaked by the National Security Agency whistle-blower Edward Snowden in 2013 — said he had doubted he would ever break a more consequential story. The Snowden revelations set off a global debate about government surveillance and privacy. But the stakes of the exposé in Brazil seem higher in some ways, he said. The information published by The Intercept Brasil, a news organization co-founded by Mr. Greenwald, challenged the integrity of a wide-ranging corruption investigation that ensnared some of the most powerful figures in Brazil’s political and business establishment over the past five years, landing many of them in prison. Among them was the leftist former president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, who was jailed and prevented from taking part in a presidential race in which he had a large lead over Mr. Bolsonaro. The man presiding over that investigation, the federal judge Sérgio Moro, became a folk hero of sorts for many Brazilians fed up with graft and violence. Later nominated by Mr. Bolsonaro to be justice minister, Mr. Moro became one of the most popular members of his cabinet, lending legitimacy to the president’s promise to tackle rampant crime and crack down on corruption. But a massive archive of private chats between members of the judiciary involved in the sprawling corruption investigation, obtained by The Intercept Brasil from a source it did not reveal, contains exchanges in which Mr. Moro appears to cross ethical and legal lines in his handling of Mr. da Silva’s case. The exchanges show that Mr. Moro provided strategic advice to prosecutors and passed along an investigative lead. Judges must be impartial arbiters under Brazilian law. Mr. Moro has denied wrongdoing. “I’m a big defender of the free press, but this campaign against Carwash and in favor of corruption is bordering on ridiculous,” Mr. Moro said in a statement, referring to the name of the corruption scandal. The Intercept Brasil’s steady stream of articles has led to calls for Mr. Moro’s resignation, and made Mr. Greenwald, 52, the chief target of praise and fury for those on opposite ends of Brazil’s political divide. The scandal has also become the first test of the resilience of Brazil’s democratic institutions under the leadership of a president who has spent much of his political career railing against democracy and lauding the 21-year period of repressive military rule in Brazil that ended in 1985, Mr. Greenwald said. “There is a huge question about what kind of country Brazil is going to be,” Mr. Greenwald said during a recent interview at his heavily guarded home in Rio de Janeiro. “Will it be a country with functioning democratic institutions, or is it
Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/21/19 11:54 AM, DW via Marxism wrote: [I should point out here that Marshal Sahlins has been thoroughly diced and taken down by many anthropologists. I doubt that any of them have debunked the idea that when game and plants were plentiful, there was plenty of leisure time. All you need to do is read Lewis and Clark to get an idea of what a Garden of Eden this continent was. I think that dwelling on the ǃKung is not useful. --- Sunday 1st Sept. 1805.We set out early in a fine morning, and travelled on nearly a west course. We found here the greatest quantity and best service berries, I had ever seen before; and abundance of choak-cherries. There is also a small bush grows in this part of the country, about 6 inches high, which bears a bunch of small purple berries. Some call it mountain holly; [4] the fruit is of an acid taste. We are much better supplied with water than I expected; and cross several fine springs among the mountains through which we pass. At noon some rain fell, and the day continued cloudy. About the middle of the day Capt. Clarke's blackman's feet became so sore that he had to ride on horseback. At 3 o'clock we came to a creek, [5] where there was fine grass and we halted to let our horses eat. There are a great number of fish in this creek. After we halted the weather became cloudy, and a considerable quantity of rain fell. We therefore concluded to remain where we were all night, having come this day 18 miles. Our hunters killed a deer, and we caught 5 fish. --- As I pointed out in my original post on these matters, the article I referred to was ahistorical. Hunting and gathering did not lend itself to intensive agriculture. A society that could produce an agricultural surplus was capable of overpowering one that was based on it. That is the story of the empires of the Western hemisphere that gained hegemony: the Aztecs, the Incas and the Mayans. You can get a sense of the resentment some anthropologists feel toward these rudimentary empires from reading Thomas Patterson's "Inventing Western Civilization". Patterson is unstinting in his portrayal of the Inca ruling elite. The quest for power consumes them. They are either fighting with each other in wars of succession as characters in a Shakespeare play do, or with outlying tribes who resist assimilation. This unflattering portrait is a reaction, one must suppose, to the tendency of "indigenists" to view Inca civilization as enlightened and humane. It is one thing for an archaeologist to admire their artifacts, but Patterson's sympathies are with the people who were under the thumb. The odd thing about civilization is that it takes societies with strictly defined divisions of labor to produce museum quality artifacts. As Freud said, the purpose of civilization is repression. Such divisions are inevitably the result of having somebody pointing a gun or spear at you, either implicitly or explicitly. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Agriculture: The Worst Mistake Humans Ever Made
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks to Dave Riley (a comrade from the FB group "Soil Alliance") for setting or beginning to set the record straight. His point *"Soil disturbance through the invention and use of the plough has to be seen as a key mistake"* hit's the nail on the head and the fact that this is only really noted by agro-anthropologists (anthropologists and historians with a strong understanding of agricultural techniques). Agriculture was a *great and wonderful* advancement over hunter-gathering. [I should point out here that Marshal Sahlins has been thoroughly diced and taken down by many anthropologists. There *is* a debate on Shalin's anthropological projections. He by no means represents any sort of consensus]. When talking to agronomists who look back at ancient societies of all sorts (including the most prevalent for thousands of years in the New World, those that engaged in both hunting and gathering AND agriculture) it is indeed *how* early agricultural societies farmed, not that they farmed at all. Most of the agronomists who study this do indeed point out that the plow was the key instrument that causes all sorts of problems primarily being that of soil infertility and soil runoff. By exposing soils to the sun, one kills off the bacteria and fungi that completes the symbiotic relationship between the sun, soil, plants as cover crops, domesticated animals, and humans. Many would argue that this is the single biggest blight on humanity when it started farming. David Walters _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Opinion | The Joy of Hatred - The New York Times
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * VERY (very!) small consolation. As the cameras panned the crowd at the Greenville rally while the chant "send her back" was going on, I saw PLENTY of individuals with their mouths shut --- some even evincing some discomfort at what they were hearing -- To have even a small percentage (but I would guess it might have been 40 percent) embarassed enough to stay silent while others were vocalizing hatred speaks with some hope that not all Trump voters are "irredeemable" --- some good campaigning emphasizing the embarassment of former Trump voters might induce SOME of them to stay home (most won't switch) --- which would be a good thing. (I freely admit that this MAY be (probably is?) grasping at straws but I REALLY DID SEE non-moving lips from some as the camera panned the crowd.) _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Which Way to Socialism?
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[Marxism] Moderator's note follow-up
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Just out of curiosity, I clicked that "suspicious message" link that comes up from time to time and that cropped up more frequently than usual in the last day or two. What happens is that you are directed to the Cisco website (Cisco is the vendor of the security software) and allowed to go to the website if you click "yes". Since everything that is posted here is trustworthy (like an article on economist.com), I encourage comrades to simply go through this exercise when you see a "suspicious message" warning. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Climate Crisis: Central banks and the "macroprudential greening" of finance – ADAM TOOZE
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[Marxism] Keep America Great (Don’t Count on It!) – LobeLog
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