Re: [Marxism] Bernie Sanders ain't seen nothing yet
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Regarding what Michael Meeropol wrote: ("our side has only to accuse the
other side of lying to NEUTRALIZE it with the independents "): The problem
is, we're not talking about crazy Pizzagate-type conspiracy theories. What
the articles refer to isn't lies. Sanders did actually make those
statements and he did actually honeymoon in Moscow. Socialists can make
what we like of these actual facts, but that's irrelevant. What's relevant
is what that layer of middle class suburban whites make of those facts.
These were the same voters who swung so many districts from Republican to
Democrat in 2018. What's also relevant is that the overwhelming majority of
voters oppose giving Medicare to undocumented immigrants, just as they
oppose mandatory public health insurance (being forced to give up their
private plan). It doesn't matter what arguments we can make for those
steps. Again, what matters is what those people think and how it will
influence their votes.
Sanders's argument is that he will bring in enough new, young voters to
compensate for those middle class ones who would be turned off. That's
possible, but so far there is little evidence for that. In 2018, all the
seats that were flipped were done so by the mainstream (in reality,
conservative) Democrats. There were two or three liberal (i.e.
Sandersnista) Democrats who ran in competitive seats that were held by
Republicans at the time. They all lost. Nor has there been a really great
enough increase in voter turnout in the primaries so far to decisively show
Sanders to be right. I'm not saying such an increase won't happen, but I
don't think we can count on it.
John Reimann
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Re: [Marxism] Bernie Sanders ain't seen nothing yet
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The fascinating thing about Trump style gaslighting is that Trumpistas will believe ANYTHING that is thrown at ANY DEMOCRAT (remember the idea that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster killed because he was having an affair with Hilary? --- and that was before there was an internet!!) --- thus, whoever is nominated will be subjected to lots of LIES and Half Truths that will make them out to be --- you name it, communists, pedophiles, murderers, drug dealers --- THUS< the "true" things they use against BERNIE (and the lies they will build on them) will be PARALLEL to all the gaslighting that they have prepared for every DEM--- Which means our side has only to accuse the other side of lying to NEUTRALIZE it with the independents -- TRUMPIES will believe the worst (remember the guy who shot up a pizza shop?) --- we won't get any whether it's Amy, Mayor Peter or Mayor Mike --- Most independents now know that Trump lies whenever his lips move BERNIE has the energy of the young which is a major plus in fighting Trump ... On the other hand a brokered convention that steals it from Bernie may guarantee four more years of Trump ... ** _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Bernie Sanders ain't seen nothing yet
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It may be true that the Democratic Party leadership is manipulating things to edge Sanders out, but at the same time they as well as Sanders's rivals, have been treating him with kid gloves. That's because they don't want to alienate his many thousands of followers. If he wins the nomination, he won't be treated so gently by Trump. Here is a sample of what they'll throw at him. https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-bernie-sanders-thought-castro-and-the-sandinistas-could-teach-america-a-lesson "Reflecting on a Potemkin tour of revolutionary Nicaragua he took in 1985, Sanders marveled that he was, “believe it or not, the highest ranking American official” to attend a parade celebrating the Sandinista seizure of power. "It’s quite easy to believe, actually, when one wonders what elected American official would knowingly join a group of largely unelected officials of various “fraternal” Soviet dictatorships while, just a few feet away, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega bellows into a microphone that the United States is governed by a criminal band of terrorists. "None of this bothered Sanders, though, because he largely shared Ortega’s worldview" This is just a small sample. And it doesn't matter if you share "Ortega's worldview" or not. What matters is how this will be played before voters here. It's why I don't believe Sanders can defeat Trump as easily as some people claim. John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
