Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch keeps the nonsense on coming
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * To what degree Putin/Russia influenced the outcome of the 2016 election is not the point. Nor is the point why Clinton lost nor why the Democrats are focusing on this aspect. The point is that this denialism is all too common on the left. It's the same method of non-thinking, the same method of refusal to seriously consider actual evidence that leads all too many on the left to support Assad. That is why we should not ignore it or divert attention away from this method. John Reimann On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:32 PM Chris Slee wrote: > While Russia no doubt had some influence on the 2016 presidential > election, other factors were more important. The electoral college system > enabled Trump to win even though he got less votes. Voter suppression > deprived millions of poor and minority voters of the right to vote. > > The Democrats focus on Russia because they prefer to blame foreigners > rather than look critically at the US political system. > > Here in Australia we are always being warned about Chinese influence on > our political system. US influence is rarely discussed. It is taken for > granted as the natural state of affairs. > > To take just one example, a large part of Australia's media is owned by a > US company, News Corp (controlled by Rupert Murdoch). > > The Australian ruling class generally does not see this as a problem. > Australia is an ally of the US, and participates in US wars (e.g. Korea, > Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq). > > However the rise of China has led some ruling class figures to question > this close relationship, favouring instead a more neutral attitude in the > conflict beteeen the US and China. > > Chris Slee > > > > From: Marxism on behalf of John > Reimann via Marxism > Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2020 6:34:17 PM > To: Chris Slee > Cc: John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> > Subject: [Marxism] Counterpunch keeps the nonsense on coming > > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Here we have Rob Urie continuing the nonsense about "Russiagate". Rob Urie > is one of those who is so obsessed with opposition to neoliberalism that he > is willing to indirectly support something even worse. (It's no accident > that he's also published in that extreme cospiracy theorist and Assad/Putin > supporting Mint Press News.) "Russiagate?" What "Russiagate"? You think > Putin & Co. didn't involve themselves in the last elections? Really? You > think Trump & Co. didn't encourage it? What was that meeting at Trump Tower > all about? Why did so many of Trump's staffers have contacts with Putin > representatives? Every imperialist power - including Russia - has its > preferred methods of influencing world affairs. It's now been shown that > Putin & Co. helped get Brexit passed. Here in the US, among other things, > they help racism along. Look up "blackstar". And, yes, Putin does have > "kompromat" over Trump. So, you think he wouldn't use it? That's like > thinking that a drug cartel doesn't use violence. > Here's an article of his in Counterpunch. Sure, maybe they have some good > stuff, but if they also publish such nonsense, How can they be taken > seriously? > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/22/why-russiagate-still-matters/?fbclid=IwAR2dnImcxBfnrZDnf-Eo5_bOFAnm_iWqkCDee7o49VbOuSuA52io86an5CU > > > -- > *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling > Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com > -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch keeps the nonsense on coming
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * While Russia no doubt had some influence on the 2016 presidential election, other factors were more important. The electoral college system enabled Trump to win even though he got less votes. Voter suppression deprived millions of poor and minority voters of the right to vote. The Democrats focus on Russia because they prefer to blame foreigners rather than look critically at the US political system. Here in Australia we are always being warned about Chinese influence on our political system. US influence is rarely discussed. It is taken for granted as the natural state of affairs. To take just one example, a large part of Australia's media is owned by a US company, News Corp (controlled by Rupert Murdoch). The Australian ruling class generally does not see this as a problem. Australia is an ally of the US, and participates in US wars (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq). However the rise of China has led some ruling class figures to question this close relationship, favouring instead a more neutral attitude in the conflict beteeen the US and China. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of John Reimann via Marxism Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2020 6:34:17 PM To: Chris Slee Cc: John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> Subject: [Marxism] Counterpunch keeps the nonsense on coming POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Here we have Rob Urie continuing the nonsense about "Russiagate". Rob Urie is one of those who is so obsessed with opposition to neoliberalism that he is willing to indirectly support something even worse. (It's no accident that he's also published in that extreme cospiracy theorist and Assad/Putin supporting Mint Press News.) "Russiagate?" What "Russiagate"? You think Putin & Co. didn't involve themselves in the last elections? Really? You think Trump & Co. didn't encourage it? What was that meeting at Trump Tower all about? Why did so many of Trump's staffers have contacts with Putin representatives? Every imperialist power - including Russia - has its preferred methods of influencing world affairs. It's now been shown that Putin & Co. helped get Brexit passed. Here in the US, among other things, they help racism along. Look up "blackstar". And, yes, Putin does have "kompromat" over Trump. So, you think he wouldn't use it? That's like thinking that a drug cartel doesn't use violence. Here's an article of his in Counterpunch. Sure, maybe they have some good stuff, but if they also publish such nonsense, How can they be taken seriously? https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/22/why-russiagate-still-matters/?fbclid=IwAR2dnImcxBfnrZDnf-Eo5_bOFAnm_iWqkCDee7o49VbOuSuA52io86an5CU -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Counterpunch keeps the nonsense on coming
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Here we have Rob Urie continuing the nonsense about "Russiagate". Rob Urie is one of those who is so obsessed with opposition to neoliberalism that he is willing to indirectly support something even worse. (It's no accident that he's also published in that extreme cospiracy theorist and Assad/Putin supporting Mint Press News.) "Russiagate?" What "Russiagate"? You think Putin & Co. didn't involve themselves in the last elections? Really? You think Trump & Co. didn't encourage it? What was that meeting at Trump Tower all about? Why did so many of Trump's staffers have contacts with Putin representatives? Every imperialist power - including Russia - has its preferred methods of influencing world affairs. It's now been shown that Putin & Co. helped get Brexit passed. Here in the US, among other things, they help racism along. Look up "blackstar". And, yes, Putin does have "kompromat" over Trump. So, you think he wouldn't use it? That's like thinking that a drug cartel doesn't use violence. Here's an article of his in Counterpunch. Sure, maybe they have some good stuff, but if they also publish such nonsense, How can they be taken seriously? https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/22/why-russiagate-still-matters/?fbclid=IwAR2dnImcxBfnrZDnf-Eo5_bOFAnm_iWqkCDee7o49VbOuSuA52io86an5CU -- *“Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” *Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
