Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
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Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * According to thefreedictionary.com, a benjamin is a hundred dollar bill, because of the picture of Benjamin Franklin on it. I was unaware of this until I did a google search. Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of A.R. G via Marxism Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2019 12:57:24 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover, even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault. Goldberg is a windbag. Amith R. Gupta On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 7:24 PM Michael Meeropol via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes, > much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing > the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests > between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't > need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT -- the tossed off reference by > Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews > controlling everything --- Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite > nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her > out on it and SHE was right to apologize --- > > It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as > everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US > have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks > -- (and they will anyway --- ) Its totally unfair and with time that > unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality --- > > The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack > Soros, et al is useful and important --- > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Micheal Knowing your family history and your background, I am going to be as polite as possible as opposed to my response to others, whom I have been rather different with about the same point. The fact is that neither of her Tweets actually mentioned Jews. One mentioned a rap lyric and the other mentioned a Zionist lobby group. If you subscribe to the notion that Zionism does not by default equal Judaism, something that seems to be the major argument of every anti-Zionist Jew these days, then why should I give credence to you making such a false tautological leap? Are you therefore saying that in fact Zionism, and in particular the AIPAC brand of Zionism, actually DOES equal Judaism? You don’t get to have it both ways. Lobbies in America curry favor and influence by way of political campaign donations to candidates, not with Matisyahu records and latkes imported from Tel Aviv. You’re an economist and a Marxist, money is the basic universal commodity of capitalism. Are we supposed to engage in a historical materialist critique of a political system while excluding THAT fundamental cornerstone of the political system because of an unfortunate coincidence that you infer has a prejudiced slant despite the fact that she was talking about AIPAC and not Judaism? It’s a pretty awesome leap of logic, it stinks to high heaven, and it also simply has no resemblance to either a) problematic statements made by Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, or b) the honest-to-God real deal antisemitic filth that is the stock and trade of Breitbart. I realize that you might have your own sensitivity and inclination here because of whatever reasons but this kind of argument is simply bad logic. Why is it that Noam Chomsky can say this sort of thing but a Black woman can’t? Best regards, Andrew Stewart Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes, much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT -- the tossed off reference by Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews controlling everything --- Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her out on it and SHE was right to apologize --- It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks -- (and they will anyway --- ) Its totally unfair and with time that unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality --- The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack Soros, et al is useful and important --- _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Benjamins = money in rap culture. I'm guessing some of you guys are old: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c58ppLPJcQ It's also impressive how otherwise intelligent people can so easily be dragged into an absolutely ridiculous and racist witch-hunt. Omar said that AIPAC lobbying was all about money. There is nothing even vaguely anti-Semitic about that unless you are already on a witch-hunt for it and trying to associate Zionist advocacy with a Jewish conspiracy. Moreover, even assuming there is any connection it would indicate that AIPAC embodies an anti-Semitic caricature; hardly Omar's fault. Goldberg is a windbag. Amith R. Gupta On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 7:24 PM Michael Meeropol via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes, > much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing > the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests > between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't > need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT -- the tossed off reference by > Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews > controlling everything --- Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite > nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her > out on it and SHE was right to apologize --- > > It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as > everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US > have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks > -- (and they will anyway --- ) Its totally unfair and with time that > unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality --- > > The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack > Soros, et al is useful and important --- > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sorry but I actually was persuaded by Michelle Goldberg's piece --- Yes, much of the bare facts that Rep Omar stated are true (though emphasizing the manipulation by AIPAC neglects the long run confluence of interests between the US ruling class and the Israeli government -- the US doesn't need to be manipulated by AIPAC) --- BUT -- the tossed off reference by Rep. Omar to the "Benjamins" harkens to the usual trope about rich Jews controlling everything --- Allowing oneself to be called an anti-semite nplays into the hands of the right wing and Goldberg was right to call her out on it and SHE was right to apologize --- It is unfortunate the victims of discrimination have to be twice as good as everyone else to be considered equal --- in this context Muslims in the US have to be like Ceasar's wife in order not to be subject to unfair attacks -- (and they will anyway --- ) Its totally unfair and with time that unfairness will be less effective --- but thats the reality --- The important come-back about McCarthy's use of anti-semitism to attack Soros, et al is useful and important --- _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Democrats Sic the Hyenas on Rep. Ilhan Omar | Washington Babylon
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://washingtonbabylon.com/democrats-sic-the-hyenas-on-rep-ilhan-omar/ Best regards, Andrew Stewart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
