[Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

2015-06-06 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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More from the lunatic fringe.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

2015-06-06 Thread Joseph Catron via Marxism
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Touché! I dig what Mark Twain purportedly said, but probably didn't: Never
argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.

It's not quite as poetic, but George Carlin did say, Never argue with an
idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with
experience.

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism 
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but:
 Proverbs 26:5King James Version (KJV)

 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.


-- 
Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen
lytlað.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

2015-06-06 Thread Thomas via Marxism
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Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:4

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Here, btw, was a comment on this from Karl Smith, a regular reader of my 
blog. I should add that he is a great admirer of the late Sam Marcy so 
this should have some additional weight:

Freakin’ ludicrous! A 1/4 century after the the collapse of the USSR and 
the End of the Cold War, yet we hear this shit from both leftist sites 
as well as pseudo libertarian sites like Prison Planet. If this is what 
Ralph Nader means by a Left/Right alliance then it’s the 1st vestiges of 
his senility.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

2015-06-06 Thread A.R. G via Marxism
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I think left blogger Louis Proyect should write a lengthy retort.

- Amith

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The American pseudo-left and the Democratic Party - World Socialist Web Site

2015-06-06 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 6/6/15 2:07 PM, A.R. G wrote:

I think left blogger Louis Proyect should write a lengthy retort.

- Amith



Here, btw, was a comment on this from Karl Smith, a regular reader of my 
blog. I should add that he is a great admirer of the late Sam Marcy so 
this should have some additional weight:


Freakin’ ludicrous! A 1/4 century after the the collapse of the USSR and 
the End of the Cold War, yet we hear this shit from both leftist sites 
as well as pseudo libertarian sites like Prison Planet. If this is what 
Ralph Nader means by a Left/Right alliance then it’s the 1st vestiges of 
his senility.


Historians should recall that the only real Dr. Strangelove nuclear 
maniac that ever existed was JFK who threatened world disaster simply 
because he swore to unleash nuclear holocaust if The Soviets stuck a 
couple nukes 90 miles from the US in retaliation for the US installation 
of 1000 nukes on the Soviet border in Turkey. Few people realize that 
part of the Cuban Missile Crisis settlement deal was that yes, the 
Soviets would pull the Cuban missiles but only if JFK yanked the nukes 
from Turkey, which he ultimately did.


If the late great attorney William Kunstler were alive today I’ll bet he 
advocate yanking that Nobel Peace Prize from Obama and giving it 
posthumously to Lee Harvey Oswald.


Lets get some economic facts straight to disprove abject ridiculousness. 
The 1% of the USA, the Masters of the Planet, are still giddily pinching 
themselves over the biggest swindle ever recorded, that is, the largest 
transfer of wealth in the history of the Universe with the 2008 Bank 
Bailout orchestrated  consummated by BOTH political parties in the US 
that are really 2 bickering factions of a One Party State run by the 
Pentagon, an entity that has always got it’s way since at least 1975 
when Saigon was overrun by NVA troops.


Although it lost that final battle it still won that War insofar as the 
almighty dollar is the primary currency in Vietnam today.


The point is when the Ruling Class is at it’s strongest  richest, 
precisely when the working class, the unions,  the anti-war movement 
are at their weakest, is NEVER going to be the time the 1% lashes out in 
suicidal maneuvers like nuke strikes against Russia. NEVER.


Especially since Russia, now part of the world stock market swindle, 
with all kinds of ex-pats squandering capital into places like Miami 
real estate, nevermind Putin’s Russia practically financing the entire 
Afghan war with billions in crude oil revenue every month billed to the 
Pentagon, nevermind the Pentagon turning a blind eye towards Russia’s 
slaughter of the Chechens and the razing of Grozny, nevermind the 
Ukraine, the coordinated destruction of the Maidan Movement and the 
shooting down of a passenger plane.


Suicidal actions are the resort of fascists, like the Nazis, who are 
driven primarily to their dirty deeds by the FEAR of the organized 
working class opposition, eg, back in the day, the Communist parties  
their trade union proxies that willy nilly drew strength from the very 
existence of the USSR. The point is that the only reason that fascism 
doesn’t have a stranglehold today is because there is no organized 
working class resistance movement… at this juncture.


It’s no accident that despite the historic professed anti-communism of 
the American Trade Union leadership, their red baiting machinations, 
etc.. that as soon as the USSR collapsed the American Trade Union 
Movement collapsed along with it.


If the Occupy Movement wasn’t crushed, that is, if it grew and caught 
fire amongst the toiling 99%, then you’d know what all that military 
equipment the Pentagon gave local police forces was for, that is, then 
you’d know what fascism in America really looks like, and then you could 
talk about nuclear strikes against Russia for real, because foreign 
policy is always just an extension of domestic policy.




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