Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "Bourgeois revolutions, like those of the 18th century, storm swiftly from success to success; their dramatic effects outdo each other; men and things seem set in sparkling brilliants; ecstasy is the everyday spirit; but they are short-lived; soon they have attained their zenith, and a long crapulent depression lays hold of society before it learns soberly to assimilate the results of its storm-and-stress period. “On the other hand, proletarian revolutions, like those of the 19th century, criticise themselves constantly, interrupt themselves continually in their own course, come back to the apparently accomplished in order to begin it afresh, deride with unmerciful thoroughness the inadequacies, weaknesses and paltrinesses of their first attempts, seem to throw down their adversary only in order that he may draw new strength from the earth and rise again, more gigantic, before them, recoil ever and anon from the indefinite prodigiousness of their own aims, until a situation has been created which makes all turning back impossible…” Marx; 18th Brumaire -Original Message- >From: Gary MacLennan via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> >Sent: Jun 15, 2017 7:52 PM >To: Thomas F Barton <thomasfbar...@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press > > >We are in an interregnum - that is a period between centres. The old >neoliberal centre is decaying, possibly dead, and a new centre is trying to >be born. Centres constitute what is thought to be common sense. The absence >of a dominant commons sense mean that all sorts of surreal phenomena >manifest themselves. The deal with the Ulster Strasserites that is supposed >to guarantee a continuation of the Tories in office is just one of these. >The Tories have once more played the Orange card and they have done it with >their customary recklessness as to the consequences for Ireland. And those >consequences are likely to be very immediate with the Loyalist Marching >Season upon us. the slightest sign that the British state is tilting >towards restoring Orange Dominance will be met with resistance on the >streets. Sinn Fein will be unable to keep control here. > >Then there is the plain fact that the Tories have no idea on how to >proceed. May's favorite projects - fox-hunting, ivory trading and grammar >schools do not address in any way the multiple problems that have >accumulated under neoliberalism. She personally now is manifestly a >problem. She visited the fire scene but did not talk to the residents. >Corbyn went there and talked to them. Interestingly the residents are >obsessed with the concept of truth. Repeatedly they say they want the >truth to come out. Thankfully they have been isolated from academic >bullshit and so no one has told them that we live in post-truth world. >Instead they feel instinctively the truth will set them free. > >That is making them bump up against the edge of the question Why don't the >poor rise up? My gut feeling is that the question is about to become >irrelevant, as the poor do in fact rise up. > >comradely > >Garfy > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Well I just finished my morning trawl though twitter -Arron Bastani, James Butler, Richard Seymour, Owen Jones, Paul Mason and George Galloway. that has taken me to #Grenfell and a series of small film -two by ChunkyMark on youtube. the latter go to the heart of Lou's question. Outside the streets where the fire took place people have brought thousands of gifts. They move around and talk without leaders and without prompting. It is in effect a people's parliament. If one listens carefully, I would suggest, tentatively, that Lou's question should be re-framed to - Why haven't the poor risen up yet? We are in an interregnum - that is a period between centres. The old neoliberal centre is decaying, possibly dead, and a new centre is trying to be born. Centres constitute what is thought to be common sense. The absence of a dominant commons sense mean that all sorts of surreal phenomena manifest themselves. The deal with the Ulster Strasserites that is supposed to guarantee a continuation of the Tories in office is just one of these. The Tories have once more played the Orange card and they have done it with their customary recklessness as to the consequences for Ireland. And those consequences are likely to be very immediate with the Loyalist Marching Season upon us. the slightest sign that the British state is tilting towards restoring Orange Dominance will be met with resistance on the streets. Sinn Fein will be unable to keep control here. Then there is the plain fact that the Tories have no idea on how to proceed. May's favorite projects - fox-hunting, ivory trading and grammar schools do not address in any way the multiple problems that have accumulated under neoliberalism. She personally now is manifestly a problem. She visited the fire scene but did not talk to the residents. Corbyn went there and talked to them. Interestingly the residents are obsessed with the concept of truth. Repeatedly they say they want the truth to come out. Thankfully they have been isolated from academic bullshit and so no one has told them that we live in post-truth world. Instead they feel instinctively the truth will set them free. That is making them bump up against the edge of the question Why don't the poor rise up? My gut feeling is that the question is about to become irrelevant, as the poor do in fact rise up. comradely Garfy On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > A good question? Or not? > > https://www.akpress.org/why-don-t-the-poor-rise-up.html > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/opt > ions/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Why Don't the Poor Rise Up? | AK Press
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A good question? Or not? https://www.akpress.org/why-don-t-the-poor-rise-up.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
