Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * For those who accept any attack on the left, to quickly post here, and what is this reliable source of "apparent" and what is the "worth: needed to state here? it is possible that this Dayton shooter lied about his real political views promoting himself on the internet social media sites, to lure others his age to have them look up to him with respect and awe - that he much sought? And just might have been a very mentally ill anti-social person - due to alienation, inscurity and lack of self worth. We have one currently in the White House Oval Office, presently sitting behind the Resolute Desk with the same anger and anguish. The very same mentality. Obviously, for the stories (not confirmed facts) - that he supported Elizabeth Warren (who herself a lying pro-capitalist self-promoting poiitician seeking personal gain) and he also made up rape lists of women targets - seems more a reactionary would dream up suh to promote and for intention to cause confusion and take the focus off the extreme right wing. Those intending such attacks on civilian public areas, are the exteme right wing. Why would a so called "leftist" attack and target poor workers at bars of high numbes of People of Color, wanting to party (rather than at church on Sunday?) Including killing his working class sister. His grand parents gave him shelter and he knows that act alone, would hurt them. So does that make any sense -or reflects what we should expect - another young white male acting his anger out. It is why with such high levels of anti-social aliention and insecurity, that having easy access to high volume shooting automatic weapons with large bullet capacity, such as the AK47, AR 15 and the easier to hold Glocks 17 and 18 models easy reloads, less heated up weapons to hold, is a increasing problem for many in working class communities,under economic seige and emotional stress. Working Class communities under increasing militarized police occupation, that also should be part of the "sharing" of issues around these public area attacks of civilians. We hear constantly at the top of all local news each night of the "violence" - not of the empire's military forces and mercenaries and client state operators oppressing our comrades and laborers - but local store robberies, home break ins, family violence - all with the same message each nightand day: "lock your doors, be afriad of your neighbors and all you do not know - and trust the police who are the only force to protect you from all the outsiders. Don't hang out in public areas socializing with neighbors, stay inside watch television and computer screens - and fear the general communiy of strangers. Did you get the message - being promoted by much of the corporate media? It is not "ratings" with covering police car chases, most working people are bored with them taking up their expected tv viewing of more than a car chase that goes on and on - and one looks like the others. Boring It is messaging - and by whom and for what purpose - and if you believe it is all coincidental but instead promoted what to cover and what to not mention, such as those nothersome climate up date reports that do not place the fossil fuel companies in as positive a light. Shooter in Dayton - Yep, not just the usual police - and how many shot today in other nations and why? No time for that "much less important coverage". Who is being programed and conditioned? Is it just providing news and who are the news directors and news editors. serving and obeyong for that news? Sure don't you see we obviously need more police control and surveilance and some less civil liberties to eliminate the threat of potential terrorism. Not of course eliminate the capitalist terrorism arond the world, to silence those objecting and questioning.After all there must be "priorities" and established by experts selected by various committees appointed by people that can not be removed from office through "simple elections. self electing commississions and board oversight groups. We can "certainly trust them"! They are only trying to help us and protect us. Don;t be alarmed those public surveillance cameras and drnes and more AI machines to come - will bring better law and more needed order.Big Brother cares about you. -------------------------- Subject: Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next? I think it is worth pointing out that the Dayton shooter was apparentl
Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As I mentioned in my post about the ICE shooter and Gilroy, expect a lot more of it since the lack of any organized left with the capacity to create change fuels the individualist mentality of rage shooters. At least in the minds of rage and workplace shooters, who lack collective consciousness, this is an appropriate response to them. And when you get the propaganda of the deed folks chiming in, it's a clarion call to the unbalanced and a clear avenue for mass repression. Guaranteed if this guy was at a racist skinhead concert, the "antifa" crowd would be loving it. jm _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I wasn't aware of the accused Dayton shooter being supposedly on the "left". I think it strengthens my argument that the increase in mass shootings is not simply a matter of increase racism and xenophobia; it's related to the numbing of violence and the lowered levels of empathy (expressed in class terms as class solidarity) in all layers of society. And the faux left is not immune from this. John Reimann On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:55 PM A.R. G wrote: > I think it is worth pointing out that the Dayton shooter was apparently > some sort of "leftist". He was also apparently very, very misogynistic. I > don't think that disqualifies him from the Left, even if it should. > > https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/ > > The motive is still unclear. > > Amith R. Gupta > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:28 PM John Reimann via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> POSTING RULES & NOTES >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> * >> >> The apparent descent into chaos and violence that is the United States >> today is about much more than gun control. It's also about more than >> racism >> and xenophobia, as important as that is. It's about war time mentality, >> the >> violence that is built into all capitalist societies, but especially US >> society; alienation; and the lack of a working class movement for >> solidarity. >> >> What can come out of this? >> >> https://oaklandsocialist.com/2019/08/05/gilroy-el-paso-dayton-why-and-what-next/ >> John Reimann >> -- >> *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black >> Jacobins" by C. L. R. James >> Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook >> _ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: >> https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > > -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think it is worth pointing out that the Dayton shooter was apparently some sort of "leftist". He was also apparently very, very misogynistic. I don't think that disqualifies him from the Left, even if it should. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/ The motive is still unclear. Amith R. Gupta On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:28 PM John Reimann via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > The apparent descent into chaos and violence that is the United States > today is about much more than gun control. It's also about more than racism > and xenophobia, as important as that is. It's about war time mentality, the > violence that is built into all capitalist societies, but especially US > society; alienation; and the lack of a working class movement for > solidarity. > > What can come out of this? > > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2019/08/05/gilroy-el-paso-dayton-why-and-what-next/ > John Reimann > -- > *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black > Jacobins" by C. L. R. James > Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Gilroy, El Paso, Dayton: Why and What Next?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The apparent descent into chaos and violence that is the United States today is about much more than gun control. It's also about more than racism and xenophobia, as important as that is. It's about war time mentality, the violence that is built into all capitalist societies, but especially US society; alienation; and the lack of a working class movement for solidarity. What can come out of this? https://oaklandsocialist.com/2019/08/05/gilroy-el-paso-dayton-why-and-what-next/ John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
