[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald was cancelled from the Harper's Letter warning about "cancel culture" / Boing Boing
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[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Good to see the takedown of the latest piece by Glenn Greenwald. Overall, he is just a slightly disguised conspiracy theorist/Assad supporter. In this article ( https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/the-spoils-of-war-trump-lavished-with-media-and-bipartisan-praise-for-bombing-syria/) he covers up for Assad. In this one ( https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/) he trots out that sorry old deep state claim in order to defend Trump. He's just another hack libertarian. It really says something about the sorry state of affairs on the left that so many take him seriously. John Reimann -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald on Chomsky & Voting for Lesser Evil
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[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald on the threat greater than ISIS
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[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald - The refusal to label the Charleston murders as terrorism
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Re: [Marxism] Glenn Greenwald: Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Just back from a Rackspace team meeting in Austin, this is a preview of what I am working on on my day off: Hailed as a Model Journalist Glenn Greenwald Proves to be the Exact Opposite Before Glenn Greenwald ever join and quit The Guardian, it reported in its summary of NATO Operation Unified Protector, 31 October 2011, that the combined military forces from the US, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Sweden, Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece had hit over 3,000 targets in Libya, including 304 ammunition dumps, 100 tanks and 55 rocket launchers. In addition: Nato ships have also stopped over 3,000 vessels and boarded another 250 while enforcing the arms embargo. I assume Greenwald and company also opposed this rarely mentioned arms interdiction role NATO played in overthrowing Qaddafi. In their not so humble opinion, the *Hands Off Libya* crowd would have preferred it if Qaddafi's still active air force was able to be freely resupplied with bombs and spare parts from whoever was willing to trade Libyan oil for Libyan blood and make the arms dealers' profit using Putin's line-of-credit when the cash ran out. They would preferred it if Libya was still suffering as Syria is today with a death toll many times the 30,000 it took to defeat Qaddafi, because, make no mistake about it, the Libyan people were no more willing continue kneeling before a fascist dictator than the Syrian people are. So the alternative to NATO intervention in Libya was not the peaceful and *progressive* Libya of some people's fantasies. It is Syria today. We can debate whether more than 30,000 Libyans would have met with a violent end had that world intervention not taken place, just as we can debate whether 200,000 Syrians are really dead. For some people it doesn't matter because it is not about them. Its about us. Its about the western world, and its about scoring points for our side in political debates that sees *those* countries as stages for our political dramas and *those* people as the replaceable *extras* that every *shoot* requires. Doing that with present-day Libya means replacing the real history of recent events with Western Left caricatures and fantasies. This is far from the field of journalism but it is exactly were Glenn Greenwald has wandred in his latest rant against *our own imperialist* using the Libya playhouse: Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Glenn Greenwald: Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Clay Claiborne clayc...@gmail.com wrote: Hailed as a Model Journalist Glenn Greenwald Proves to be the Exact Opposite ... They would preferred it if Libya was still suffering as Syria is today with a death toll many times the 30,000 it took to defeat Qaddafi Does non-model journalist Glenn Greenwald also use statistics that were publicly discredited years ago? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/08/libyan-revolution-casualties-lower-expected-government I understand why NATO supporters exaggerate the toll of the 2011 civil war: to obscure their own role in prolonging the suffering of Syrians, exactly as they shamelessly accuse anti-interventionists of having wished to do. It should prove interesting, in a darkly tragic way, to see if left warhawks will also champion the new NATO intervention now advocated by at least one member state, which we can only call a direct product of their first. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/libya-faces-isis-crisis-italy-wants-nato-intervention-n306896 -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Glenn Greenwald: Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Clay, I'm not following your argument. What exactly are you saying about GG? Are you suggesting he is wrong to oppose the NATO bombardment and destabilization of Libya? What does arms interdiction have to do with it? - Amith On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Clay Claiborne clayc...@gmail.com wrote: Hailed as a Model Journalist Glenn Greenwald Proves to be the Exact Opposite ... They would preferred it if Libya was still suffering as Syria is today with a death toll many times the 30,000 it took to defeat Qaddafi Does non-model journalist Glenn Greenwald also use statistics that were publicly discredited years ago? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/08/libyan-revolution-casualties-lower-expected-government I understand why NATO supporters exaggerate the toll of the 2011 civil war: to obscure their own role in prolonging the suffering of Syrians, exactly as they shamelessly accuse anti-interventionists of having wished to do. It should prove interesting, in a darkly tragic way, to see if left warhawks will also champion the new NATO intervention now advocated by at least one member state, which we can only call a direct product of their first. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/libya-faces-isis-crisis-italy-wants-nato-intervention-n306896 -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald: Hailed as a Model for Successful Intervention, Libya Proves to be the Exact Opposite
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Since 2011, Libya has rapidly unraveled in much the way Iraq did following that invasion: swamped by militia rule, factional warfare, economic devastation, and complete lawlessness. And to their eternal shame, most self-proclaimed 'humanitarians' who advocated the Libya intervention completely ignored the country once the fun parts – the war victory dances and mocking of war opponents – was over. The feel-good 'humanitarianism' of war advocates, as usual, extended only to the cheering from a safe distance as bombs dropped. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/16/hailed-model-successful-intervention-libya-proves-exact-opposite -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald on Canada: War and occupation makes violence more likely
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * A deranged gunman, Michael Zehab-Bibeau, shot dead a soldier at the Canadian war memorial in Ottawa before being shot dead while trying to storm parliament on October 22. The motive for the actions, if there was a clear one, remains unknown. The attack came two days after two Canadian soldiers were hit by a car in Quebec. The car was driven by Martin Couture-Rouleau, a 25-year-old Canadian who had recently converted to Islam. One of the soldiers died, as did Couture-Rouleau when he was shot by police upon apprehension after allegedly brandishing a large knife. https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57614 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Glenn Greenwald - The United States of Secrets
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