Re: [Marxism] How Engels viewed the two-party system in the USA

2018-08-08 Thread Jason via Marxism
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Yes, very good. I'd just note it doesn't address the question of "chucking
away one's ballot paper" when an electoral contest could lead to a
reactionary party being seated or some other tactical or strategic outcome
one should consider--and there wouldn't have been much reason to write
about that in 1886 in the US context given the bipartisan compromise to end
Reconstruction.
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[Marxism] How Engels viewed the two-party system in the USA

2018-08-08 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into 
the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent 
political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' 
party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a 
right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of 
this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up 
the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only 
transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop 
and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own 
movement--no matter in what form so long as it is only their own 
movement--in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and 
learn wisdom by hurting themselves. The movement in America is in the 
same position as it was with us before 1848; the really intelligent 
people there will first of all have the same part to play as that played 
by the Communist League among the workers' associations before 1848. 
Except that in America now things will go infinitely more quickly; for 
the movement to have attained such election successes after scarcely 
eight months of existence is absolutely unheard of. And what is still 
lacking will be set going by the bourgeoisie; nowhere in the whole world 
do they come out so shamelessly and tyrannically as here, and your 
judges have got Bismarck's smart practitioners in the German Reich 
brilliantly driven off the field. Where the bourgeoisie conducts the 
struggle by methods of this kind, things come rapidly to a decision, and 
if we in Europe do not hurry up the Americans will soon be ahead of us. 
But it is just now that it is doubly necessary to have a few people 
there from our side with a firm seat in their saddles where theory and 
long-proved tactics are concerned, and who can also write and speak 
English; for, from good historical reasons, the Americans are worlds 
behind in all theoretical things, and while they did not bring over any 
medieval institutions from Europe they did bring over masses of medieval 
traditions, religion, English common (feudal) law, superstition, 
spiritualism, in short every kind of imbecility which was not directly 
harmful to business and which is now very serviceable for making the 
masses stupid. And if there are people at hand there whose minds are 
theoretically clear, who can tell them the consequences of their own 
mistakes beforehand and make it clear to them that every movement which 
does not keep the destruction of the wage system in view the whole time 
as its final aim is bound to go astray and fail--then many a piece of 
nonsense may be avoided and the process considerably shortened. But it 
must take place in the English way, the specific German character must 
be cut out and for that the gentlemen of the Sozialist have hardly the 
qualifications, while those of the Volkszeitung are only more 
intelligent where business is concerned.


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