Re: [Marxism] How to (do) ranching right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bill, John doesn't know where John is going, how could you possibly know? Seriously, both my article and the video (you didn't watch it either, I note) were addressing primarily soil fertility. As an aspect of this is the sequestration of carbon on the soil. As the number of ruminants (cows, sheep, deer, bison, etc) in the world is only about the same or some more than it was 400 years ago, clearly the amount of methane burped off by such animals (yes, mostly from their mouths, not flatulence from their asses) was "digested" and metabolized by the ecosystem without much problem (the "life" of methane is about half that of CO2 in the atmosphere). But the CO2 levels were far less, or about half, of what they are today. Methane is absorbed by *healthy* soil, Bill. It is consumed by methanotrophs, a kind of bacteria most of which exists in the soil...if the soil hasn't be poisoned by exposure to the sun and killed off chemically by the insecticides, herbicides, fungicides and pesticides farmers seem to employ (and cut large checks too the big ag chemical companies for their privilege) . Oh...and chemically produced nitrogen fertilizer. The science on the *rate* at which methanotroph absorption and breakdown (they basically derive all their energy and carbon from methane) takes place is something that is relatively knew. I don't know the rates of absorption (% of absorption per total emission of methane per animal). I simply don't have that number. But if the amount of CO2 is absorbed (as per the video and other sources) is as high as claimed, it doesn't matter how much methane is output per head of cattle. The amount of carbon sequestration is so high that it off sets the methane production. But none of that occurs with the way we farm, and the way meat is produced now. And that is my point...YOUR point is at least valid. David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How to (do) ranching right,
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I get mightily peeved about anti-cattle rhetoric in regard to climate change.It is warping the climate change movement's cutting edge and perverting its focus. If you actually do your homework, the story is very different . Here's a very good summary of why the spin/shibboleth is based on inaccurate information: https://theconversation.com/yes-eating-meat-affects-the-environment-but-cows-are-not-killing-the-climate-94968 "A healthy portion of meat’s bad rap centers on the assertion that livestock is the largest source of greenhouse gases worldwide[In the US]All of agriculture accounted for a total of 9 percent. All of animal agriculture contributes less than half of this amount, representing 3.9 percent of total U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. That’s very different from claiming livestock represents as much or more than transportationWhy the misconception? In 2006 the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization published a study titled “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” which received widespread international attention. It stated that livestock produced a staggering 18 percent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. The agency drew a startling conclusion: Livestock was doing more to harm the climate than all modes of transportation combined.This latter claim was wrong, and has since been corrected by Henning Steinfeld, the report’s senior author... To its credit, the FAO immediately owned up to its error. Unfortunately, the agency’s initial claim that livestock was responsible for the lion’s share of world greenhouse gas emissions had already received wide coverage. To this day, we struggle to “unring” the bell..." As for the cynical attack on sequence farming/regenerative grazing -- aside from the drought proofing and soil fertility gains, the whole concept is , I think, the ONLY way to restore rangeland landscapes so that they recover some role in mitigating climate change effects. The research folder is building up that registers how much carbon -- and methane -- this approach can sequester. If you want to read more about this, here's good place to start6: http://soilalliance.blogspot.com/ Much better than relying on 'The Guardian' _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How to (do) ranching right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * David, neither your spluttering bluster, nor the article you cite, address the METHANE issue - which I took to be where John was going. - Bill On 10/29/18 02:36 PM, DW via Marxism wrote: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * John, That cattle raised in CAFO style of farming is a contributor and a big one to climate change is not in doubt. If you listened to the video it's right there. Which is the POINT of the video. It's now that cows produce GHG emissions or not, it is how they are raised with a focus on the soil. Your link dump is irrelevant to the discussion since not a single link actually addresses the issue of carbon sequestration in the soil. None of them which is unfortunate. And, I should note, did you...who flippantly and arrogantly dumped your links on the list without a single answer to the points raised in the video. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, one of the sponsors if "Belcompo" a local ranching and purveyor of meat raised as show in the video. It in not simply a "meat company" with images of Harris Ranch and the large CAFO owners that come to mind. All ranchers and farmers, like Belcompo, are *small business*, bar none. However, this form of restorative agriculture is directly *counterpoised* to that factory form of agriculture and you ought to pay attention to this and the other issues around soil that you are so oblivious too but seemingly have no interest to learn about. Here is an essay I penned a few weeks ago on this issue to further enlighten you. Good luck with your diet. https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/10/10/developing-a-marxist-approach-to-global-agriculture-a-primer-on-the-role-of-animals-in-maintaining-soil-health/ David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/quimbywm%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How to (do) ranching right
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * John, That cattle raised in CAFO style of farming is a contributor and a big one to climate change is not in doubt. If you listened to the video it's right there. Which is the POINT of the video. It's now that cows produce GHG emissions or not, it is how they are raised with a focus on the soil. Your link dump is irrelevant to the discussion since not a single link actually addresses the issue of carbon sequestration in the soil. None of them which is unfortunate. And, I should note, did you...who flippantly and arrogantly dumped your links on the list without a single answer to the points raised in the video. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Secondly, one of the sponsors if "Belcompo" a local ranching and purveyor of meat raised as show in the video. It in not simply a "meat company" with images of Harris Ranch and the large CAFO owners that come to mind. All ranchers and farmers, like Belcompo, are *small business*, bar none. However, this form of restorative agriculture is directly *counterpoised* to that factory form of agriculture and you ought to pay attention to this and the other issues around soil that you are so oblivious too but seemingly have no interest to learn about. Here is an essay I penned a few weeks ago on this issue to further enlighten you. Good luck with your diet. https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/10/10/developing-a-marxist-approach-to-global-agriculture-a-primer-on-the-role-of-animals-in-maintaining-soil-health/ David _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
