Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming anybody." Yes, and even more, there was even less actual news about the US supporting such a move if it did take place. On the contrary, it said the current situation raises "the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will **no longer continue to follow the U.S. lead** or will turn a blind eye to wealthy individuals looking to supply MANPADS to opposition groups." And Toner from State Department is quoted as explicitly opposing any such move by the Gulf or Turkey. Obviously I hope that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey immediately tell the US to shove off, and send hundreds of manpads urgently to the FSA, north and south. But I won't be holding my breath. In the north, the Turkish creation of a safe zone is actually predicated upon holding the rebel groups there *back* from confronting Assad. Note that Turkey, despite the talk, has held the rebels back from taking al-Bab, which they must take in order to confront the regime from the back in Aleppo. So Clinton can have her NFZ on the cheap in the Turkish zone; because Erdogan has his agreement with Assad via Putin and Iran for no action, so Assad/Russia won't bomb there. Just genocide Aleppo. In the south, apart from the fact that the Saudis are distracted by their own bombing of Yemen, the they have been pushed back on the southern file by the alliance US-Jordan-UAE, essentially a pro-Assad alliance that has forced the FSA Southern Front to stop fighting the regime (under the "ceasefire" rubric) while providing arms only any time they fight ISIS. In other words, even if the US got right out and thereby stopped blocking others delivering manpads, I'm still not confident that either Saudis or Turkey would. But as the article suggests, they may turn a blind eye to others doing so. What is so extraordinary about the US dedication to preventing the rebels being armed against the 5 years of aerial slaughter is that the CIA in Jordan and Turkey has gone out of its way to stop the FSA getting manpads even from the black market. If the CIA was forced out of there, it is likely that the local states might either turn a blind eye, or at least be less effective at prevention. On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:28 AM, Mike Sola via Marxismwrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming > anybody: > > "has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels" > "Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions" > "the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to > follow the U.S. lead" > > I wouldn't get excited about this yet. > -- >> >> http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN >> >> > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming anybody: "has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels" "Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions" "the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to follow the U.S. lead" I wouldn't get excited about this yet. -- http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Note that the article cited has no actual news about the Gulf states arming anybody: "has heightened the possibility that Gulf states might arm Syrian rebels" "Gulf Arab states or Turkey could step up arms supplies to rebel factions" "the possibility that Gulf allies or Turkey will no longer continue to follow the U.S. lead" I wouldn't get excited about this yet. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Useful post, thanks. And I think you're right in your speculation. On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Syed Ephraim Hussain via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN > > Hello everyone. This is my first posting here. > > This is interesting. Does the U.S. now see the scales tipping too far in > favor of Russia and Assad that it is now willing to permit MANPADS to flow > to the rebels? This would certainly fit within the pattern of keeping the > conflict stalemate and prolonged. Supplies will likely be limited though > and not intended to give the rebels any type of major advantage. Supplies > would probably enter too late, however, to save Aleppo. > > Regards, > > Ephraim Hussain > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Reuters: Gulf May Arm Rebels Now that Truce is Dead - U.S. Officials
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11W2NN Hello everyone. This is my first posting here. This is interesting. Does the U.S. now see the scales tipping too far in favor of Russia and Assad that it is now willing to permit MANPADS to flow to the rebels? This would certainly fit within the pattern of keeping the conflict stalemate and prolonged. Supplies will likely be limited though and not intended to give the rebels any type of major advantage. Supplies would probably enter too late, however, to save Aleppo. Regards, Ephraim Hussain _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com