Re: [Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This is a good example since this example of the PYD's whitewashing of Assad stems from 2013 - long before any Turkish invasion! No, the simple truth is that the Stalinist-nationalist PYD/YPG/PKK was always open for collaboration with the Assad dictatorship! Of course, this did not always materialize. But this was either because Assad had no interest (see the interview with Saleh Muslim which I mentioned in another post) or because they served other masters (U.S. imperialism). And Green Left Weekly serves the PYD/YPG. This is a badge of shame for a group which claims to be "socialist"! Am 16.10.2019 um 01:52 schrieb Louis Proyect via Marxism: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/15/19 7:02 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: I am sure Salih Muslim does not trust Putin. As he says, "We will see in practice if this agreement will stop the attacks or not". Yeah, I am all for people trying out Murray Bookchin experiments as long as they don't pimp for the filthiest dictatorship of the 21st century. --- Saleh Muslim, head of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), said he doubted the Syrian president would resort to using such weapons when he felt he had the upper hand in the country’s civil war. He suggested last Wednesday’s attack, which the opposition says was carried out by government forces and killed hundreds of people, was aimed at framing Assad and provoking an international reaction. Assad has denied his forces used chemical weapons. “The regime in Syria ... has chemical weapons, but they wouldn’t use them around Damascus, 5 km from the (U.N.) committee which is investigating chemical weapons. Of course they are not so stupid as to do so,” Muslim told Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-kurds/syrian-kurdish-leader-doubts-assad-would-be-so-stupid-as-to-carry-out-gas-attack-idUSBRE97Q0LP20130827 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 -- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/15/19 7:02 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: I am sure Salih Muslim does not trust Putin. As he says, "We will see in practice if this agreement will stop the attacks or not". Yeah, I am all for people trying out Murray Bookchin experiments as long as they don't pimp for the filthiest dictatorship of the 21st century. --- Saleh Muslim, head of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), said he doubted the Syrian president would resort to using such weapons when he felt he had the upper hand in the country’s civil war. He suggested last Wednesday’s attack, which the opposition says was carried out by government forces and killed hundreds of people, was aimed at framing Assad and provoking an international reaction. Assad has denied his forces used chemical weapons. “The regime in Syria ... has chemical weapons, but they wouldn’t use them around Damascus, 5 km from the (U.N.) committee which is investigating chemical weapons. Of course they are not so stupid as to do so,” Muslim told Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-kurds/syrian-kurdish-leader-doubts-assad-would-be-so-stupid-as-to-carry-out-gas-attack-idUSBRE97Q0LP20130827 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * RKOB says: "This confirms what we have said since a long time: the PYD/YPG leadership was always willing to strike a deal with the Assad regime (not just now when Turkey invades in the North East)." The SDF sought an agreement with Russia and the Assad regime to oppose the planned Turkish invasion of northeastern Syria. This plan was no secret: Erdogan had announced his intention to invade many times. The SDF hoped that Assad and Russia might want to prevent an invasion that could turn into a permanent occupation, like that of Israel in the Golan heights. They have now seemingly agreed. Whether they are serious, time will tell. I am sure Salih Muslim does not trust Putin. As he says, "We will see in practice if this agreement will stop the attacks or not". Chris Slee From: Marxism on behalf of RKOB via Marxism Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2019 2:39:35 PM To: Chris Slee Subject: Re: [Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF) POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There is also another interesting quote. "Muslim noted that they had talked with the Russian and Syrian officials many times and tried to reach an agreement before. He said that this agreement, a first of its kind, also includes the liberation of Afrin. “Russia and the regime did not accept an agreement before the withdrawal of US troops. But now they have accepted it. This is a first and talks will continue. One of the major points of this agreement is its inclusion of Afrin. Once security is maintained in the area, there will be a collaboration for the liberation of Afrin as well.”" This confirms what we have said since a long time: the PYD/YPG leadership was always willing to strike a deal with the Assad regime (not just now when Turkey invades in the North East). It didn't happen because Assad/Putin saw no purpose in such a deal. Furthermore it is bizarre that the PYD leader puts any trusts in "guarantees" by Putin. Obviously he has learned nothing from his experience with the U.S. "guarantees". But may be Russia is more trustworthy than the U.S.?! However, the PYD leadership can feel relieved that Trump strongly supports their alliance with Assad. As he said in a tweet on 14 October: “Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte (!). I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away. (…) Let Syria and Assad protect the Kurds and fight Turkey for their own land.” Am 15.10.2019 um 04:58 schrieb Chris Slee via Marxism: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > > https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/salih-muslim-talks-about-the-agreement-with-the-syrian-state-38404 > > 'Muslim pointed out that the agreement is a military one and a first step, > adding; “This step will be followed by dialogue and talks to complete the > entire content. The outlines of the agreement are as follows; the border > security, actually the sovereignty of Syria as a state has been violated. The > border needs to be protected together in order for Syrian sovereignty to be > preserved. To this end, Syrian troops will be stationed in the area from > Derik to the Euphrates and they will raise the Syrian flag. Syrian soldiers > will not be deployed inside the cities but in some areas out of the towns. > The works of the Democratic Autonomous Administration will not be intervened. > The councils here will continue their works as usual.”' > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net<http://www.thecommunists.net>) www.rkob.net<http://www.rkob.net> ak...
Re: [Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There is also another interesting quote. "Muslim noted that they had talked with the Russian and Syrian officials many times and tried to reach an agreement before. He said that this agreement, a first of its kind, also includes the liberation of Afrin. “Russia and the regime did not accept an agreement before the withdrawal of US troops. But now they have accepted it. This is a first and talks will continue. One of the major points of this agreement is its inclusion of Afrin. Once security is maintained in the area, there will be a collaboration for the liberation of Afrin as well.”" This confirms what we have said since a long time: the PYD/YPG leadership was always willing to strike a deal with the Assad regime (not just now when Turkey invades in the North East). It didn't happen because Assad/Putin saw no purpose in such a deal. Furthermore it is bizarre that the PYD leader puts any trusts in "guarantees" by Putin. Obviously he has learned nothing from his experience with the U.S. "guarantees". But may be Russia is more trustworthy than the U.S.?! However, the PYD leadership can feel relieved that Trump strongly supports their alliance with Assad. As he said in a tweet on 14 October: “Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte (!). I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away. (…) Let Syria and Assad protect the Kurds and fight Turkey for their own land.” Am 15.10.2019 um 04:58 schrieb Chris Slee via Marxism: POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/salih-muslim-talks-about-the-agreement-with-the-syrian-state-38404 'Muslim pointed out that the agreement is a military one and a first step, adding; “This step will be followed by dialogue and talks to complete the entire content. The outlines of the agreement are as follows; the border security, actually the sovereignty of Syria as a state has been violated. The border needs to be protected together in order for Syrian sovereignty to be preserved. To this end, Syrian troops will be stationed in the area from Derik to the Euphrates and they will raise the Syrian flag. Syrian soldiers will not be deployed inside the cities but in some areas out of the towns. The works of the Democratic Autonomous Administration will not be intervened. The councils here will continue their works as usual.”' _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/aktiv%40rkob.net -- Revolutionär-Kommunistische Organisation BEFREIUNG (Österreichische Sektion der RCIT, www.thecommunists.net) www.rkob.net ak...@rkob.net Tel./SMS/WhatsApp/Telegram: +43-650-4068314 -- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Salih Muslim talks about the agreement with the Syrian state (ANF)
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/salih-muslim-talks-about-the-agreement-with-the-syrian-state-38404 'Muslim pointed out that the agreement is a military one and a first step, adding; “This step will be followed by dialogue and talks to complete the entire content. The outlines of the agreement are as follows; the border security, actually the sovereignty of Syria as a state has been violated. The border needs to be protected together in order for Syrian sovereignty to be preserved. To this end, Syrian troops will be stationed in the area from Derik to the Euphrates and they will raise the Syrian flag. Syrian soldiers will not be deployed inside the cities but in some areas out of the towns. The works of the Democratic Autonomous Administration will not be intervened. The councils here will continue their works as usual.” ' _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
